St. Valentine

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Harley_Angel

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So...this is a holiday supposedly for this dude, or these dudes if you consider there were, what, 3 of them?

Anyway, what does anybody know about the acts and lives of the Saints Valentine?
 
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greatkraw

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#2
well he is a saint

so he must have been celibate

that is more about what he didnt do
 
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charisenexcelcis

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#3
I think that he was in Rome and the Roman government forbid Christian marriages. He continued to perform marriage ceremonies and might have been martyred for it.
 
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Harley_Angel

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Celibate eh? I dunno, if he's as romantic as the holiday suggests, I bet he had ALL the ladies!
 
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#5
I saw on a documentary yesterday that the Roman Emperor, or somebody, had outlawed marriage so people couldn’t evade the draft. Valentine secretly married people and then was caught.
 
Dec 21, 2009
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I GET SICK WITH THESE ROMAN CATHOLICS AND ALL OF THEIR PROPAGANDA
AND HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH SOME MORE CRAP
WHEN ARE THE SANE PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP FINALLY...?

SERIOUSLY
IF YOUR LOOKING INTO SOMETHING TO FULFILL YOUR LIFE
SHOULD IT NOT REGISTER
THAT A SYSTEM THAT INCLUDED
I CAN BASICALLY LIVE AS I CHOOSE TO ON MY OWN TERMS
THEN IF I FEEL GUILTY I HAVE SOME DUDE IN A DRESS I CAN SAY I SINNED
SO I GO BEFORE THIS CHIC NAMED MARY
THEN TO JESUS
THEN TO A LIST OF THESE PEOPLE I HAVE NO CLUE WHO THEY ARE CALLED SAINTS
AND I BOW BEFORE 75 STATUES
AND I MAKE A CROSS EMBLEM ACROSS MY CHEST
AND CHANT 10 OUR FATHERS
AND 10 HAIL MARY'S
GIVE MONEY TOWARDS MY SALVATION AND ONCE PERGATORY
DIP MY HAND IN FILTHY WATER
AND WALK OUT THINKING WOW I JUST SPOKE TO GOD
NOW I CAN DO AS I PLEASE UNTIL I FEEL BAD AGAIN
IS A LOAD OF CRAP

GOTTA BE HONEST HERE FOLKS
ST. V CAN KISS MY BUTTT AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED
AND EVERY OTHER SO-CALLED SAINT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC SYSTEM
WHO PROBABLY WAS A PEDIFILE AND HOMO CAN TOO
 
Dec 19, 2009
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I GET SICK WITH THESE ROMAN CATHOLICS AND ALL OF THEIR PROPAGANDA
AND HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH SOME MORE CRAP
WHEN ARE THE SANE PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP FINALLY...?

SERIOUSLY
IF YOUR LOOKING INTO SOMETHING TO FULFILL YOUR LIFE
SHOULD IT NOT REGISTER
THAT A SYSTEM THAT INCLUDED
I CAN BASICALLY LIVE AS I CHOOSE TO ON MY OWN TERMS
THEN IF I FEEL GUILTY I HAVE SOME DUDE IN A DRESS I CAN SAY I SINNED
SO I GO BEFORE THIS CHIC NAMED MARY
THEN TO JESUS
THEN TO A LIST OF THESE PEOPLE I HAVE NO CLUE WHO THEY ARE CALLED SAINTS
AND I BOW BEFORE 75 STATUES
AND I MAKE A CROSS EMBLEM ACROSS MY CHEST
AND CHANT 10 OUR FATHERS
AND 10 HAIL MARY'S
GIVE MONEY TOWARDS MY SALVATION AND ONCE PERGATORY
DIP MY HAND IN FILTHY WATER
AND WALK OUT THINKING WOW I JUST SPOKE TO GOD
NOW I CAN DO AS I PLEASE UNTIL I FEEL BAD AGAIN
IS A LOAD OF CRAP

GOTTA BE HONEST HERE FOLKS
ST. V CAN KISS MY BUTTT AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED
AND EVERY OTHER SO-CALLED SAINT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC SYSTEM
WHO PROBABLY WAS A PEDIFILE AND HOMO CAN TOO
Is Valentine’s Day a Roman Catholic thing?
 
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ST. V CAN KISS MY BUTTT AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED
AND EVERY OTHER SO-CALLED SAINT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC SYSTEM
WHO PROBABLY WAS A PEDIFILE AND HOMO CAN TOO
Is that normally how one who calls himself a pastor behaves?
 
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MissMaryMac

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#9
well he is a saint

so he must have been celibate

that is more about what he didnt do
Actually. Celibacy isn't a requirement for being a saint. Tons of saints have had kids.

And yeah, performed Christian weddings.
 
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socperkins

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#10
The Pastor in church talked about Valentine today to the youth. He said basically what everybody else said, along with the fact that he used to pass messages out his window to people on the outside. His last message said something along the lines of "I love you, your Valentine".
 
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machew

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#11
I GET SICK WITH THESE ROMAN CATHOLICS AND ALL OF THEIR PROPAGANDA
Attributing Official Catholic doctrine to every Catholic is at best ignorant. Another point; if you were born into a deeply devoted Catholic family and that is all you ever knew, and you desired to seek God, you would probably be doing the same thing until you knew better.

People who were raised in homes with parents who were in error, don't need to be criticized for what they believe in. They need someone to gently show them where they were taught wrong.

GOTTA BE HONEST HERE FOLKS
ST. V CAN KISS MY BUTTT AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED
AND EVERY OTHER SO-CALLED SAINT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC SYSTEM
WHO PROBABLY WAS A PEDIFILE AND HOMO CAN TOO
Another ignorant remark. If you have read about many of these people who the Catholics named saints, God actually did use a lot of the powerfully performing signs and wonders, healing the sick during the black plague, reforming the church (in good ways), and to bring entire cities to Jesus. The saints shouldn't be stereotyped based on the actions of those after them. If God used you powerfully in ministry and many in the church named you a saint and required people to pray to you after you died, how would it be fair to label you as: "A PEDIFILE AND HOMO CAN" if you had nothing to do with what the church was doing after your death?


Machew
 
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#12
Is that normally how one who calls himself a pastor behaves?


YES I BELIEVE SO
IF WE ARE TO PREACH THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS
LETS FIRST BEGAN
WITH A SYSTEM THAT HAS TORE THE IMAGE OF JESUS UP
BY PLACING EMPHASIS UPON HIS MOTHER FIRST
AND THEN MAKES IT A HABIT OF CREATING SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES FOR PEOPLE
THAT NO ONE ELSE KNOWS AND MAKES INTO A HEIRARCHY OF SAINTHOOD
WHO ARE LED BY MEN CHASING YOUNG BOYS

MOST OF MY CHURCH IS MADE UP OF ONCE ---RCC MEMBERS---
THAT MANY LIVES WERE IN COMPLETE SCHAMBLES
BECAUSE OF MIS-LEADING THEM TO BELIEVE
ALL IS WELL SO THEY CONTINUED ON THEIR PATHS OF CRIME AND DISPAIR
THINKING ANOTHER $2500 WILL GET THEM OUT OF TROUBLE WITH GOD
SINCE THAT HAPPENED TO BE THE GOING RATE OF PENTENCE AT THE TIME
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LIVES WHO PUT THEIR FAITH AND TRUST INTO A SYSTEM
THAT HAS NOT ONLY FAILED THEM BUT HAS ALSO MIS-LEAD THEM

I AM NOT SAYING THOSE WHO ATTEND ARE ANY INDIFFERENT THAN YOU AND I
BUT WHAT I AM SAYING
COMES FROM THE MOUTH OF MY OWN GRANDFATHER
WHOSE FATHER
HELPED ARCHITECT THE KNUTE ROCKNE FOOTBALL STADIUM OF NOTRE DAME
WHICH WE ALL KNOW...NOTRE DAME IS A GREAT CATHOLIC ICON
AND WAS AN OUTSTANDING MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF THE HOLY CROSS
WHO HAD GROOMED MY GRANDFATHER
TO BECOME ENSHRINED INTO THE PRIESTHOOD
BUT SEEN THE LIGHT AND BECAME AN EVANGELIST IN THE PENTECOSTAL FAITH
HIS VERY WORDS WERE.......
BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS WILL STAND BEFORE GOD ONE DAY.......
EXPECTING THE MONEY THEY PAID WILL GUARANTEE THEM A SPOT IN HEAVEN
TO ONLY FIND AND LEARN
HELL IS THE REWARD FOR FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION OF THE MOST POWERFUL
GROUP OF INFLUENCIAL LIARS AND THIEVES KNOW TO MANKIND
EVEN SATAN
CAN STAND UP AND BE PROUD OF THIS WORK OF ARCHITECTURE.......


MY POSITION IS NOT HERE TO TEAR ANYTHING DOWN EXCEPT SATAN
BUT
I AM ALSO A FIRST HAND WITNESS TO A CHURCH OF 600+ AND GROWING
THAT I CAN FEEL SAFE WHEN I REPEAT THEIR VERY OWN WORDS
TO BE OF A FACTUAL BASIS AND TRUTH
INCLUDING
SPECIFICLY MY OWN GRANDFATHER

IF THIS UPSETS YOU I DO APOLOGIZE
BUT
I THOUGHT THESE FORUMS WERE BASED UPON TRUTHS AND FACTS
 
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#13
Attributing Official Catholic doctrine to every Catholic is at best ignorant. Another point; if you were born into a deeply devoted Catholic family and that is all you ever knew, and you desired to seek God, you would probably be doing the same thing until you knew better.

People who were raised in homes with parents who were in error, don't need to be criticized for what they believe in. They need someone to gently show them where they were taught wrong.



Another ignorant remark. If you have read about many of these people who the Catholics named saints, God actually did use a lot of the powerfully performing signs and wonders, healing the sick during the black plague, reforming the church (in good ways), and to bring entire cities to Jesus. The saints shouldn't be stereotyped based on the actions of those after them. If God used you powerfully in ministry and many in the church named you a saint and required people to pray to you after you died, how would it be fair to label you as: "A PEDIFILE AND HOMO CAN" if you had nothing to do with what the church was doing after your death?


Machew



THESE SO-CALLED SIGNS WERE VOTED AND RECOGNIZED
BY THE CATHOLIC REGIME ONLY
MAYBE JUST MAYBE
IF SOMEONE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A SAINT OR NOT
THAT IS GOD's POSITION AND NOT MANS
SINCE THE CATHOILIC SYSTEMS HAS ALSO SET-UP
ONCE SOMEONE BECOMES A SAINT
THEY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PRAY TO THEM WHICH IS IDOLATRY
BUT
IF PRAYING TO EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING BUT GOD IS YOUR.......BAG OF CHIPS
ENJOY THE PATH YOUR ON THEN
 
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YES I BELIEVE SO
But you basically called every saint a pedophile and homosexual. I'd say that is not in keeping with how a pastor as you claim to be, should behave. Your words like this and your butt kissing statements don't seem to come from the Holy Spirit that I know.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Joint Heir. I think you should reconsider your words. In Jude it shows us that even when the archangel was confronting Satan, he was careful in what he said. The scriptures teach us specifically to be careful what we say. You do not profess to know about Valentinus, but you make crude and divisive comments.
 
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But you basically called every saint a pedophile and homosexual. I'd say that is not in keeping with how a pastor as you claim to be, should behave. Your words like this and your butt kissing statements don't seem to come from the Holy Spirit that I know.

WHOSE CLASSIFICATION AM I CONSIDERRING SOMEONE A SAINT THOUGH...?
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN CHASING YOUNG BOYS THAT IS FOR SURE
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN THAT HAVE PEOPLE CONVINCED
THEY CAN BUY THEIR SALVATION
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN LIVING IN WEALTH
WHILE THEIR OWN SUPPORTERS ARE STARVING AND HOMELESS
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN WHO THINK THEY THEMSELVES ARE HOLIER
THAN ALL OF US
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN WHO DIRECTLY ARE BREAKING
JESUS' OWN COMMANDMENT
DO NOT CONFESS YOUR SINS TO MAN


FROM THESE PEOPLE
I WILL NEVER RECOGNIZE ANYTHING UNTIL GOD TELLS ME IT IS SO
 
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Harley_Angel

Guest
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Joint-Heir, if I ever heard words like that come out of my priest's mouth I would be appalled. There was so much hate, judgement, and pure ignorance in that one post to fill a bucket. We are called to preach the Truth, and calling a bunch of people homo pedophiles is not preaching the Truth, it's being rude. If a new person came and read what you just wrote, ESPECIALLY if that person was Roman Catholic, I can only imagine how quick they would leave here.
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
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WHOSE CLASSIFICATION AM I CONSIDERRING SOMEONE A SAINT THOUGH...?
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN CHASING YOUNG BOYS THAT IS FOR SURE
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN THAT HAVE PEOPLE CONVINCED
THEY CAN BUY THEIR SALVATION
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN LIVING IN WEALTH
WHILE THEIR OWN SUPPORTERS ARE STARVING AND HOMELESS
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN WHO THINK THEY THEMSELVES ARE HOLIER
THAN ALL OF US
NOT FROM A GROUP OF OLD MEN WHO DIRECTLY ARE BREAKING
JESUS' OWN COMMANDMENT
DO NOT CONFESS YOUR SINS TO MAN


FROM THESE PEOPLE
I WILL NEVER RECOGNIZE ANYTHING UNTIL GOD TELLS ME IT IS SO
OK, Saint Joint-Heir. If I choose to call you a saint does it make you less so? Do you accept that Peter, Paul, John and James are saints? Why, when the RCC calls them so? Does that make Peter a pedophile? So research Valentinus. What can be known about him is that he refused to obey the order by the Roman emperor to stop performing Christian marriages and was martyred for that. No indication that he was a homosexual or a pedophile.
 
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Joint Heir. I think you should reconsider your words. In Jude it shows us that even when the archangel was confronting Satan, he was careful in what he said. The scriptures teach us specifically to be careful what we say. You do not profess to know about Valentinus, but you make crude and divisive comments.

IM NOT SAYING THE MAN WAS GOOD OR BAD
I AM SAYING HIS CLASSIFICATION TO BE A SAINT IS FLAWED
SINCE IT IS SET-UP AND VOTED BY MEN AND NOT BY GOD

AND YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT MICHAEL AND SATAN IN JUDE
WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A MAN MADE SAINT
NOW
THOSE I READ ABOUT IN THE BIBLE AND THE MARTYRED
I HAVE ABSOLUTE RESPECT FOR
BUT
TO PRAY AND SEEK THEIR ADVICE IS A SIN OF IDOLATRY
BOTTOM LINE..........
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
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IM NOT SAYING THE MAN WAS GOOD OR BAD
I AM SAYING HIS CLASSIFICATION TO BE A SAINT IS FLAWED
SINCE IT IS SET-UP AND VOTED BY MEN AND NOT BY GOD

AND YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT MICHAEL AND SATAN IN JUDE
WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A MAN MADE SAINT
NOW
THOSE I READ ABOUT IN THE BIBLE AND THE MARTYRED
I HAVE ABSOLUTE RESPECT FOR
BUT
TO PRAY AND SEEK THEIR ADVICE IS A SIN OF IDOLATRY
BOTTOM LINE..........
It is not Valentinus that I am speaking to, but to your own manner of speech.