Hello PeterJens. Couldn't agree more. Behavior and actions DO matter. As well as words and ideas that are encouraged.
So, if the hyper grace crowd believes that they can live any type lifestyle that they desire and still not go to hell for it then where is your evidence? You accuse Willie-T, Grace 777x70, ember, PennED, coby and others of believing this. And that if people believe this then they cannot but help live immoral, sin-filled, "live for the devil" lives then are you prepared to make a 'BIBLICAL' charge/accusation against any of them, right here, right now? If not, why not? According to your theory they should be unable to restrain themselves given their horrible belief system.
So either their belief in this causes them to sin prodigiously, and at will, or you need to explain to me why believing this way is not producing the expected results in their lives that you claim is the sole motivation for all these warnings. Are you prepared to make the accusation that their fruit is bad?
Evidence. Where is your evidence??
So, if the hyper grace crowd believes that they can live any type lifestyle that they desire and still not go to hell for it then where is your evidence? You accuse Willie-T, Grace 777x70, ember, PennED, coby and others of believing this. And that if people believe this then they cannot but help live immoral, sin-filled, "live for the devil" lives then are you prepared to make a 'BIBLICAL' charge/accusation against any of them, right here, right now? If not, why not? According to your theory they should be unable to restrain themselves given their horrible belief system.
So either their belief in this causes them to sin prodigiously, and at will, or you need to explain to me why believing this way is not producing the expected results in their lives that you claim is the sole motivation for all these warnings. Are you prepared to make the accusation that their fruit is bad?
Evidence. Where is your evidence??
I will not speak for the others you listed. They are more than capable for speaking for themselves. But I will tell you my beliefs, directly, so that others will not try and tell you what I believe.
I believe, and know, that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that He died for my sins, and that His Father rose Him from the dead. I was baptized, and a became a new creation in Christ. This salvation was COMPLETELY unearned by me. God has given me what I did not deserve. That's called Grace. And EVEN the faith to believe that was a gift from God.
After this happened I still engaged in sinful behavior. I tried myself many times and prayed to God that the desires would stop, and that I would stop. No matter how hard I tried I just couldn't. At that point I was dealing with the CONSEQUENCES of sin, which I won't get into here but trust me, they were severe.
I thought that the Lord abandoned me because of my sin. This thought was the worst of the severity. Several years past and as I was praying to God, I believe He showed me a powerful glimpse of His incredible Grace. It was at THAT point that I realized that there was NOTHING I could do to stop what Jesus HAD ALREADY PAID FOR! Understanding His Grace a little better was a life altering event. I DON'T HAVE TO STRUGGLE WITH SIN!! He saved me once and for all. So where I tried everything to stop and failed, KNOWING that Jesus and HIS righteousness that HE imputes to me, on a continuing daily basis, WAS THE ANSWER! I CAN'T RELY ON MYSELF. I WILL fail. And the truth of what I say is in the fact that I DON'T engage in those activities, and I can't begin to tell you how He has blessed and allowed me to grow Spiritually since then.
At NO TIME DID I EVER SAY OR INSINUATE THAT SINFUL BEHAVIOR WAS OK! I DID say that IF you are in Christ, and engage in sinful behavior, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES. One of them however WILL NOT BE LOST SALVATION.
May The Lord Jesus Christ bless and keep you.