Stupid things 'Christians' do

[PennEd]

Hello PeterJens. Couldn't agree more. Behavior and actions DO matter. As well as words and ideas that are encouraged.

So, if the hyper grace crowd believes that they can live any type lifestyle that they desire and still not go to hell for it then where is your evidence? You accuse Willie-T, Grace 777x70, ember, PennED, coby and others of believing this. And that if people believe this then they cannot but help live immoral, sin-filled, "live for the devil" lives then are you prepared to make a 'BIBLICAL' charge/accusation against any of them, right here, right now? If not, why not? According to your theory they should be unable to restrain themselves given their horrible belief system.

So either their belief in this causes them to sin prodigiously, and at will, or you need to explain to me why believing this way is not producing the expected results in their lives that you claim is the sole motivation for all these warnings. Are you prepared to make the accusation that their fruit is bad?

Evidence. Where is your evidence??

Hello, and welcome!

I will not speak for the others you listed. They are more than capable for speaking for themselves. But I will tell you my beliefs, directly, so that others will not try and tell you what I believe.

I believe, and know, that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that He died for my sins, and that His Father rose Him from the dead. I was baptized, and a became a new creation in Christ. This salvation was COMPLETELY unearned by me. God has given me what I did not deserve. That's called Grace. And EVEN the faith to believe that was a gift from God.

After this happened I still engaged in sinful behavior. I tried myself many times and prayed to God that the desires would stop, and that I would stop. No matter how hard I tried I just couldn't. At that point I was dealing with the CONSEQUENCES of sin, which I won't get into here but trust me, they were severe.

I thought that the Lord abandoned me because of my sin. This thought was the worst of the severity. Several years past and as I was praying to God, I believe He showed me a powerful glimpse of His incredible Grace. It was at THAT point that I realized that there was NOTHING I could do to stop what Jesus HAD ALREADY PAID FOR! Understanding His Grace a little better was a life altering event. I DON'T HAVE TO STRUGGLE WITH SIN!! He saved me once and for all. So where I tried everything to stop and failed, KNOWING that Jesus and HIS righteousness that HE imputes to me, on a continuing daily basis, WAS THE ANSWER! I CAN'T RELY ON MYSELF. I WILL fail. And the truth of what I say is in the fact that I DON'T engage in those activities, and I can't begin to tell you how He has blessed and allowed me to grow Spiritually since then.

At NO TIME DID I EVER SAY OR INSINUATE THAT SINFUL BEHAVIOR WAS OK! I DID say that IF you are in Christ, and engage in sinful behavior, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES. One of them however WILL NOT BE LOST SALVATION.

May The Lord Jesus Christ bless and keep you.

 

[Willie-T]

A phrase comes to mind about psychopaths.
They appear the most gracious, empathetic caring people around, but it is just an act.
The people who know them have no clue that they are so cut off and empty.
Those who murder as serial killers often have active partners who have no clue.
It is the behaviour of people, their actions that matter and the words and ideas they encourage.

Once you are into "I get a sense of blessing" or "I get a sense of evil" you have crossed over into superstition. In christ we carry peace, joy, love, praise. It is not the presence of evil that disturbs us, because it is actually irrelevant.

When Stephen was stoned, did he say I sense evil here, or I see Jesus at the right hand of the Father.

One of the worst social things you can do to anyone is surround them with rejection because of the vibe that you see. In new age spirituality they talk like this all the time, and it is the total rubbish you think it is and nothing to do with Christ.

Yet, you claim to look at this very thing, and decide because it looks good to you, these must be righteous people. Seems to me that you aren't too sure WHAT to look at as you "judge" people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yet, you claim to look at this very thing, and decide because it looks good to you, these must be righteous people. Seems to me that you aren't too sure WHAT to look at as you "judge" people.

sadly that is what legalism does to you.

1. It makes you think you are more righteous than you are
2. it always make others look worse than you are
3. It always focuses on certain sins (ie murder, rape porn etc etc)
4. It never realise or acknowledges how sinful they really are.

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen brother!.....the Lord did the exact thing for me.

This is how the gospel of the grace of Christ has affected me. I had the scripture come up inside of me where the Pharisees were arguing about whether a man was born blind or not after Jesus healed him. Of course the Pharisees were trying to discredit the message of Jesus. The man said.." All I know is that I was born blind but now I see."

This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:

I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church.

This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!

This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.

To live a holier life in Him...to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.

If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....reveal to me more of your abounding grace please my Lord and God!


I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever, free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out to me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self=performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )

I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!

It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..it will never be.."Worthy is the Lamb......and me..because I did my part"

It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that for all eternity.

Hello, and welcome!

I will not speak for the others you listed. They are more than capable for speaking for themselves. But I will tell you my beliefs, directly, so that others will not try and tell you what I believe.

I believe, and know, that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that He died for my sins, and that His Father rose Him from the dead. I was baptized, and a became a new creation in Christ. This salvation was COMPLETELY unearned by me. God has given me what I did not deserve. That's called Grace. And EVEN the faith to believe that was a gift from God.

After this happened I still engaged in sinful behavior. I tried myself many times and prayed to God that the desires would stop, and that I would stop. No matter how hard I tried I just couldn't. At that point I was dealing with the CONSEQUENCES of sin, which I won't get into here but trust me, they were severe.

I thought that the Lord abandoned me because of my sin. This thought was the worst of the severity. Several years past and as I was praying to God, I believe He showed me a powerful glimpse of His incredible Grace. It was at THAT point that I realized that there was NOTHING I could do to stop what Jesus HAD ALREADY PAID FOR! Understanding His Grace a little better was a life altering event. I DON'T HAVE TO STRUGGLE WITH SIN!! He saved me once and for all. So where I tried everything to stop and failed, KNOWING that Jesus and HIS righteousness that HE imputes to me, on a continuing daily basis, WAS THE ANSWER! I CAN'T RELY ON MYSELF. I WILL fail. And the truth of what I say is in the fact that I DON'T engage in those activities, and I can't begin to tell you how He has blessed and allowed me to grow Spiritually since then.

At NO TIME DID I EVER SAY OR INSINUATE THAT SINFUL BEHAVIOR WAS OK! I DID say that IF you are in Christ, and engage in sinful behavior, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES. One of them however WILL NOT BE LOST SALVATION.

May The Lord Jesus Christ bless and keep you.