Suicide instant hell?

[RickyZ]

The Bible includes a list of a whole host of things that will separate us from God ... murder, adultery, lying, you name it. That list includes a lot of things that each and every one of us is guilty of being and doing. That's why on our own under these laws no one was saved. That's why salvation comes by grace and grace alone. NOTHING WE DO outside of believing and confessing Christ determines our salvation. Because even if there's just the slightest little itsy bitsy way we could screw that up you know we would. Suicide is a sin, and like the sins of murder adultery lies et all they do not matter to our salvation as long as we believe and confess in the Lord.

NOW. That's not the end of the story. They do matter after that. Jesus tell us we will be judged according to our works when we meet up. Even tho we are saved we will still suffer some loss from our works of murder adultery suicide etc. As well as reward for our faithful works. So there is still an accountability and loss for committing suicide, but that does not include your salvation.

Suicide does not condemn you to hell. But there will still be an accounting before God for it.

 

[graceNpeace]

I think a bit of perspective is called for here:
People who commit suicide are not normal they are ill, extremely ill with what for them will be a fatal illness.
They are not thinking normally, if they were, they would not be committing suicide.
The depression that leads to suicide is a real disease.

I just want to know this - who believes that dying of a myocardial infarction is in itself a sin?
This despite the very real known risk factors are largely preventable.
Behaviour modification such as eating less to lose weight, avoiding certain foodstuffs, not smoking, etc are all crucial here.
Yet a significant proportion of individuals with coronary artery disease or at risk for it do nothing to help themselves!

Compare this with severe endogenous depression where I am not aware of any specific preventable risk factors (if any psychiatrists are reading this feel free to contradict me if any contemporary research says otherwise), yet we want to condemn those suffering severe depression who manage to complete a suicide attempt.

Depression is a potentially fatal disease and a completed suicide is the fatal end-result of depression.

Those who want to go ahead and condemn people for having a disease that kills them please step up now....

 

[Zen]

2 Timothy 2:3
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[pottersclay]

I really really wish I knew the answer to this question
My brother and my dad both shot themselves at different times in there life
20 years apart

Omgosh sis I am so sorry for your loss. I am speechless.......so sorry.

 

[Enow]

So I have confused about suicide. Now I was told that if you commit suicide you instantly go to hell which i know is a Catholic doctrine but I also have talked with many Christians who believe the same. Now according to a lot of Catholics if you even try to kill yourself your only destination is hell, and my friend when I asked her about suicide and hell she said yes if you kill yourself you go to hell because you cannot ask for forgiveness when your dead( she believes if you don't repent for every sin you make you can lose your salvation) But even though i wanted to explain to her that isn't how grace works i couldn't because sadly she cannot be talked to like that she gets very emotional and frustrated and has a heart problem.

Here is the thing though, I have never found in scripture that suicide is instant condemnation. I do wonder how things would have turned out for me when i tried to kill myself, i was just saved but things at my house were so deeply depressing and I was so alone that I couldn't deal with it anymore and even though I was afraid I would go to hell in my tears I begged for God to forgive me and attempted ti kill myself of course luckily I failed.

But many people commit suicide because of deep pain and sadness loneliness and heart ache, if one was saved but killed themselves because of the heaviness of all this would god since he knows more than anyone how deeply pain and sadness can cut you have mercy on them or would he send them to fires?

No one can lose their salvation but will they be raptured for not trusting Jesus to walk them through this valley of death?

Is it not a shame when a believer who committed suicide see Jesus, and knew right then that he or she should have trusted Him to help them through their difficult times just as He has helped other believers under the same afflictions?

My life was taken away from me; I cannot have relationships; I cannot have a job; I am seemingly persecuted when I go out every time, being made sport of, I have been humiliated & defamed even as a christian and so what is the point?

The point is to trust Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd and my Friend for He is in me and is with me always. Trusting Him to help me to be content; to take each moment as is, to thank Him for carrying me thru each moment when I am being made sport of, and leaning on Him to help me forgive them for they know not what they do. I would rather depart but so did Paul. So I see this as an opportunity to get to know Jesus more as I see Him walk me through this valley of death.

2 Corinthians 5:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:[SUP] 7 [/SUP](For we walk by faith, not by sight[SUP] 8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Indeed, one time, I had awakened to hearing church bells ringing at 3:15 A.M. I had thought that was weird and someone is going to get in trouble for doing that. Then I noticed a pattern to the ringing of the bells. It was playing the theme from M.A.S.H. I got up to wake my folks but they did not hear it. So I went back to bed, and as I had laid there, I plugged my only good ear ( it has tinnitus which is a constant ringing in the ear ) as my other ear was deaf several times to make sure it was not in my head. It wasn't, but eventually, it was. I started to pray then and I do not know how long I was praying with tears streaming down my face for the Lord to help get rid of it, but I fell asleep & morning came. It was the morning news on TV that had announced a trivia that the original title to the theme from M.A.S.H. was "Suicide Is Painless". How's that for a twilight zone moment? Creepy and yet the church bells was no longer in my head playing that theme from M.A.S.H.

The fact that the devil wanted me to commit suicide, pretty much is a reason not to do it too.

1 Peter 5:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.[SUP]11 [/SUP]To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Philippians 4:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Psalm 19:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

Hebrews 4:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

I hope this music video will show how much I need the Lord all the time which is why I am glad He is in me & is with me always. May you find comfort and peace in this truth as we walk thru this valley of death together.

[video=youtube;_rR_Rdb1CTE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rR_Rdb1CTE[/video]

 

[samuel23]

This brings to mind a story about this young lady who attempted suicide and had an after death experience. Anyway she went to this horrible place and while there a voice spoke to her and said, why did you do it? She begin to explain how bad her life had been and the voice said to her, is this better? The voice went on to explain to her that life is suppose to be difficult. To that I say amen, this life is difficult, part of what makes it hard for us to handle is that we have been feed a boatload of lies by the world and even by part of the church that we are suppose to sail through this life enjoying pleasure after pleasure and making a great name for ourselves because of all our accomplishments. Paul said that we are called to tribulation. Of course we can have some good times to, however trouble is always on the horizon.

 

[Tabitha4thelord]

Omgosh sis I am so sorry for your loss. I am speechless.......so sorry.

Awww, thank you...you are very kind
It has been a long time...so I try not to think about it

 

[BillG]

2 Timothy 2:3
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And your point being?

 

[BillG]

The voice went on to explain to her that life is suppose to be difficult. To that I say amen,

You say amen to a voice that says life is supposed to be difficult?

Do you really think God would say "Your life is meant to be difficult?

If we go round preaching a God who says that then not many people are going to respond.

Can you post me the verse where Paul says we are called to tribulation.
I would like to have a look at it.

 

[RickyZ]

Do you really think God would say "Your life is meant to be difficult?

Well, actually He did say life in Him will be difficult...

John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

2 Corinthians 12:10
That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

1 Corinthians 4:11
Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling place; [SUP]12 [/SUP]And labor, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: [SUP]13 [/SUP]Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the off scouring of all things unto this day. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you."

Matthew 5:3
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. 7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. 8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Luke 6:20
“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. 21 Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh. 22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets. 24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. 25 Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep. 26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.

Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone because of Me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Philippians 1:21
For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22 If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! 23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24 but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. 25 Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith


1 Thessalonians 3:7
Therefore, brothers and sisters, in all our distress and persecution we were encouraged about you because of your faith. 8 For now we really live, since you are standing firm in the Lord.

 

[DiscipleDave]

it is interesting how many Christians thinks they will go to hell.

They? Yes they... because if suicide equals hell, that means ALL unrepeated sin equals hell.
Dunno about you all, but I rarely realize I sin while I am busy doing it..... so what if you sin and die before you realize?
Instant hell? Makes no sense whatsoever!

It is written no fornicator will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. So then Bob who professes to be Christian, is having a sexual relationship with another committing fornication. Bob has a heart attack in the process of having a sexual relationship and dies. Did Bob repent of his wicked perverted deed? Was Bob sorry for sin that he committed? Must a person repent of a particular deed in order to be forgiven of it? Or do you think i can now say a prayer "God forgive me for all the sins that I am going to commit until I die" And therefore never have to repent again and live however i so choose to live whether in wickedness or holiness?

A man cheats on his wife and afterwards repents of it. He then cheats on his wife the next night and again repents of it. He continue to cheat on his wife without ever ceasing from doing so, and he continues to repent every single time he commits adultery. This man then dies and stands before God and Judgement Day, are you saying this man will not be judged as an Adultery because he repented after every time he committed adultery? Seriously?

Anyone who continues to lie, even though they repent of the lying, will be judged a LIAR.
Anyone who continues to fornicate, even though they repent of the fornication, will be judged a fornicator.
Anyone who continues to hate, even though they repent of the hating, will be judged as a Hater.
Anyone who continues to commit adultery, even though they repent of the adultery, will be judged as an Adulterer.
Anyone who continues to steal, even though they repent of the stealing, will be judged a Thief.
Anyone who continues to Kill, even though they repent of killing people, will be judged a Murderer.
Anyone who continues to sin, even though they repent of the continued sinning, will be judged as Living in Sin.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

To receive forgiveness for any particular sin, a person must Truly repent of that sin. To Truly Repent of a particular sin, you no longer continue to do that particular sin.

Anyone who ceases to lie, after they repent of the lying, is no longer a LIAR.
Anyone who ceases to fornicate, after they repent of the fornication, is no longer a fornicator.
Anyone who ceases to hate, after they repent of the hating, is no longer a Hater.
Anyone who ceases to commit adultery, after they repent of the adultery, is no longer an Adulterer.
Anyone who ceases to steal, after they repent of the stealing, is no longer a Thief.
Anyone who ceases to Kill, after they repent of killing people, is no longer a Murderer.
Anyone who ceases to sin, after they repent of the sinning, is no longer Living in Sin.

A person who repents of a particular sin, KNOWING full well they will continue to do that sin over and over and over again, is NOT Sorry for that sin, these ask for forgiveness in vain. Godly sorrow receives forgiveness from God. A person who is truly sorry for a particular sin will pray thus

"Father please forgive me of that wicked thing, i will try to NEVER do it again" = Godly Sorrow.

But those who pray knowing they will continue to commit that sin continually pray thus

"Father please forgive me of my sins, in Jesus Name I pray, amen." = Not very sorry, because they know they will continue to obey satan and continue to do that particular sin over and over and over again = NOT FORGIVEN.

That sin that you do continually over and over again, try praying for God to help you cease from it.

Heb_12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

How many Suicides would have been prevented if people knew and understood the TRUTH, that they would go to Hell if they did so? What then? If by committing suicide i can go to Heaven, why would i not do that right this second? Oh, because as long as i breathe God has a plan for me. What then? God plans for a person to be born and commit suicide? Or is suicide something that the devil tries to convince people to do? Does God whisper to a person "Kill yourself, the pain will then stop" ? Or does satan try to convince a person to kill themselves? Who you obey is your Master. Therefore if a person commits suicide, 1) they are not forgiven (because you can't repent of sins that has not yet been committed) and 2) they obeyed the voice of demons and not the voice of God.

Also, i would like to point out if a person does commit suicide, that does not mean there is no hope at all for that soul. Because Hell is not yet created, and Judgment Day is not yet upon us.

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