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I know this subjest is debated, I also know what the person who battles severe depression lives with.
My youngest daughter was born with a rare genetic delition, it affects every aspect of her health.One of the many is she is allergic to the hormones her body produces, as these hormones cause horrible cyclic vomiting that can last for days, even weeks.
These hormones bring on a depression so severe, she cannot controll it, and I have to care for her and watch her constantly everyday.
Because of her young age, she is had to go through many tests, medications and trials in order to recieve aproval for a surgury to remove her overies, hopefully this surgury will happen before the years end.
She will never be able to have children, as even if her body could survive a pregnacy, which drs say she would not, her children would not live.
She has had several suicide attempts, thankfully God has intervined, and she is with us still.
Her battles are every day, and I often have not slept for many days simply because of her needs both physical and mental.
She has given her heart to Jesus, and faithfully not only witnesses to others who battle depression, but has helped others who were suicidal.
But everyday is a work of faith for her, and even though she knows suicide is wrong, and does not want to disobey God because she loves Him, the depression can overcome any normal thinking, and she looks to others to help her through it.
Now I will not decide for any wether one is condemned, simply because this judgement belongs to God.
But this is the point, this decission belongs to God Our Father.
But as I understand, if you break one commandment you break them all according to scripture, so thou shalt not kill is right there with thou shalt not covet, lie, or the other seven commandments.
Saying one is condemned for commiting suicide is like saying one is condemned for killing another, or adultry or any commandment.
One must simply look to Jesus, trusting always in His healing love, streangth and care to overcome and live despite these tribulations.
But I also trust in God Our Fathe'sr understanding, and in this I hold hope always.
I pray everyday for Jesus to keep my daughter safe, and strong enough to evercome this disease.
I also trust in Jesus to cover her with His salvation, forgivness and love.
Because in the end it not about our judgement, but Gods!
And I know His is perfect !
God bless
pickles
My youngest daughter was born with a rare genetic delition, it affects every aspect of her health.One of the many is she is allergic to the hormones her body produces, as these hormones cause horrible cyclic vomiting that can last for days, even weeks.
These hormones bring on a depression so severe, she cannot controll it, and I have to care for her and watch her constantly everyday.
Because of her young age, she is had to go through many tests, medications and trials in order to recieve aproval for a surgury to remove her overies, hopefully this surgury will happen before the years end.
She will never be able to have children, as even if her body could survive a pregnacy, which drs say she would not, her children would not live.
She has had several suicide attempts, thankfully God has intervined, and she is with us still.
Her battles are every day, and I often have not slept for many days simply because of her needs both physical and mental.
She has given her heart to Jesus, and faithfully not only witnesses to others who battle depression, but has helped others who were suicidal.
But everyday is a work of faith for her, and even though she knows suicide is wrong, and does not want to disobey God because she loves Him, the depression can overcome any normal thinking, and she looks to others to help her through it.
Now I will not decide for any wether one is condemned, simply because this judgement belongs to God.
But this is the point, this decission belongs to God Our Father.
But as I understand, if you break one commandment you break them all according to scripture, so thou shalt not kill is right there with thou shalt not covet, lie, or the other seven commandments.
Saying one is condemned for commiting suicide is like saying one is condemned for killing another, or adultry or any commandment.
One must simply look to Jesus, trusting always in His healing love, streangth and care to overcome and live despite these tribulations.
But I also trust in God Our Fathe'sr understanding, and in this I hold hope always.
I pray everyday for Jesus to keep my daughter safe, and strong enough to evercome this disease.
I also trust in Jesus to cover her with His salvation, forgivness and love.
Because in the end it not about our judgement, but Gods!
And I know His is perfect !
God bless
pickles
It is my considered belief that many here are ignoring the teachings, especially in regard to not judging. At any rate the following is always worthy of meditation in regard to the sins of others. I know I cannot judge even my enemies, of which are very few outright, not taking in the count of the myriad of enemies of Yahweh, God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
I believe this teaching, repeated from the Writings is worthy of deep meditation for those who wish to judge now, and not wait for judgment to be handed over to the saints on Yahweh's great and wonderful Day, amen.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
I believe this teaching, repeated from the Writings is worthy of deep meditation for those who wish to judge now, and not wait for judgment to be handed over to the saints on Yahweh's great and wonderful Day, amen.
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why do you people keep using this excuse? Who is using ity as a lisence to sin? the only poeple who would do this would be one who is licentious in attitude. The people are never saved. There is a huge difference between someone who claimes to be saved but never showed a changed life. and a sinner who is still trying to break a few habits, or grow in Christ. we don't become super christians the moment we are saved. Not to mention. look what your teaching, is yours any different? You can sin, as long as you work to make up for it.
this is a lie. people are not teaching it is possible to live in sin and be saved. John says we cant live in sin if we are born of God. Scripture is talking to the licentious people in those passages, John assures those in Chirist we are born of God. we can not do what you claim we can do. secondly. if you have to do ANYTHING after you saved to have a future sin forgiven, you are teaching law and not grace, your of the foolish people Paul spoke of, who were supposedly saved by the spirit. but then must perfect their salvation in the flesh.
Why stick on mass murder? James says if you break the LEAST OF THE LAW, you just as guilty as a mass muyrderer. This is your alls problem. You want to focus on what YOU CLAIM are grave sins, and not realise your own sin, You are more holy so God must save you. Scripture warns against this.
1. Christ cleansed me and made me clean, I can never cwash myself and make myself clean as you are claiming.
2. A true person of faith who has truely repented would NEVER claim this. As paul says, should sin increase that grace may abound, let it NOT BE SO. And again, As John says, We can not sin, because we are born of God. You love to pick and chose verses, but reject others which would prove you in error.
3. Belittling Gods grace is trying to earn it. Mocking the death of Christ is trying to say it is not sufficient. it is just as damaging as the licentious who do as you say. Your going from one extreme to the right of the cross. to an extreme on the left of the cross. And your both in error and mocking Christ and grace.
No it is not OSAS, it is PRIDE, it is REFUSAL TO REPENT, it is LACK OF FAITH. it is no different than your works based doctrine. It is not based on leagalism, it is based in pride, In lack of true repentnance, and lack of faith in God, and more faith in yourself
this is a lie. people are not teaching it is possible to live in sin and be saved. John says we cant live in sin if we are born of God. Scripture is talking to the licentious people in those passages, John assures those in Chirist we are born of God. we can not do what you claim we can do. secondly. if you have to do ANYTHING after you saved to have a future sin forgiven, you are teaching law and not grace, your of the foolish people Paul spoke of, who were supposedly saved by the spirit. but then must perfect their salvation in the flesh.
Why stick on mass murder? James says if you break the LEAST OF THE LAW, you just as guilty as a mass muyrderer. This is your alls problem. You want to focus on what YOU CLAIM are grave sins, and not realise your own sin, You are more holy so God must save you. Scripture warns against this.
1. Christ cleansed me and made me clean, I can never cwash myself and make myself clean as you are claiming.
2. A true person of faith who has truely repented would NEVER claim this. As paul says, should sin increase that grace may abound, let it NOT BE SO. And again, As John says, We can not sin, because we are born of God. You love to pick and chose verses, but reject others which would prove you in error.
3. Belittling Gods grace is trying to earn it. Mocking the death of Christ is trying to say it is not sufficient. it is just as damaging as the licentious who do as you say. Your going from one extreme to the right of the cross. to an extreme on the left of the cross. And your both in error and mocking Christ and grace.
No it is not OSAS, it is PRIDE, it is REFUSAL TO REPENT, it is LACK OF FAITH. it is no different than your works based doctrine. It is not based on leagalism, it is based in pride, In lack of true repentnance, and lack of faith in God, and more faith in yourself
If you want to judge me as making hate comments, I am guilty, but only toward those terrible ungodly statements and ungodly counsel that comes from your lips, just as much as we are to learn to hate vain thoughts (Ps 119:113) and imaginations (2Cor 10:5) which are empty, profane and have no counsel from God. You can take your spirituality about this subject of life and death and throw it out the window because it is empty and life-less. Anyone else that thinks as you do is included and that would pertain to me as well. You would be surprised how I deal with some of my own imaginations and thoughts.
BTW - Judgment and and justice are the habitation of God's throne (Ps 89:14). Our job is to point people to Christ, who is the resurrection and the life (Jn 11:25). Isn't that your Yeshua? I have come that they might have life (Jn 10:10, 5:40).
Prov 8:35,36
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
Ps 97:10
10 Ye that love the Lord, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
Ps 119:104
104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Prov 6:16,17
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
BTW - Judgment and and justice are the habitation of God's throne (Ps 89:14). Our job is to point people to Christ, who is the resurrection and the life (Jn 11:25). Isn't that your Yeshua? I have come that they might have life (Jn 10:10, 5:40).
Prov 8:35,36
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
Ps 97:10
10 Ye that love the Lord, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
Ps 119:104
104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Prov 6:16,17
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
compassion and love for others. would be praying for those hurting bad enough that it causes them to commit suicide, and the people they left behind wondering, why, when, what, where. Going to change subject a little, there is a man going on trial i seen on news this morning for killing his wife in hospital. This couple had been married for years, and this man couldn't stand seeing his beloved wife suffer another day. The man went into hospital and shot his wife. Can't say i would or could do that, but i can't really condemn that guy for doing it.
It is obvious you have gone over the edge in regard to me, and my love for using the name Yeshua, Jesus. It is obvious you believe anything Jewish is evil. Yeshua, Jesus, is chief among Jewry, and He is King of the Jews. Anyone who believes Him would be a Jew, by definition, whether they call themselves this or not. When it comes right down to it, Jew from Judah, both transliterations, may be translated, "A praiser of God, Yah." If this infuriates you, I think all know why. The Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh, God, is not only for others and for me, it also is for you. Accept His sacrifice for your sins, repent, and come to Yeshua, Jesus, in spirit and truth. There is nothing to fear in the Love that is Yeshua, Jesus. I see you have resorted, finally, to quoting from all of the Word. Hate is not virtuous, so please stop your hateful comments.
A very close loved one of my own committed suicide, and what you say is true about those left behind. I have prayed about this and meditated much since that occurred in 1968, and Yahweh, God, has given me great relief and satisfaction on the subject time and time again. As for the man and his wife, I could never accuse or condemn either. First it is against my faith, second, I truly want Yeshua, Jesus, to be in charge of all judging since judgment and justice are His in the first place, and I know He is Good. Being Good, I am certain of mercy for all who truly seek it. Mercy, like salvation, must be received, it is never forced on anyone. He is so very good, amen. Truly all will be just fine for all who love Yahweh, God, amen.
Our relationship to Christ is a crucified one and we take no thought for our own life. Believers in Christ are hid with Christ in God inside the body of Christ. We are hid and do not consider our life dear unto ourself (Acts 20:24) and we are not easily offended because we have the peace of God ruling in our minds and hearts (Phil 4:7). All things are of God and work together for the good and are for our sake. Yeshua is not the problem, you are and how you relate to others through Christ, who is our life.
Suicide in never an option to a believer in Christ or for any unbeliever because of the hope we have in Christ. There is no peace given by the Holy Spirit for those who have committed suicide and if you have it, it is a false peace based upon a false hope that does not come from Yeshua. The scriptures do not have a good track record in supporting suicide or the contemplation of it. Suicide is death and the thoughts that Yeshua has toward us are thoughts of peace and not evil to give us an expected end (Jer 29:11) and that end is peace (Ps 37:37).
If someone is out there and you are contemplating suicide, your end shall not be peace. Judas for three years walked with the disciples who followed Christ and he ended up hanging himself and the end of that man was not peace. King Saul and Sampson, a judge of Israel, did not commit suicide, God took them. There will be no peace from God in your decision. Suicide is not the will of God nor does it have anything to do with God. Turn from those thoughts immediately and cry out to God for mercy and live. God has made a promise, He has said that He is the God of all flesh, is there anything too hard for Him (Jer 32:17,27). You must put your trust in Him no matter what you are going through and no matter how you feel in your emotions. God is greater than all that and He has life to give you through His Son no matter what you have done. Call upon Him and He will answer. He is our hope for salvation and He is our life.
Suicide in never an option to a believer in Christ or for any unbeliever because of the hope we have in Christ. There is no peace given by the Holy Spirit for those who have committed suicide and if you have it, it is a false peace based upon a false hope that does not come from Yeshua. The scriptures do not have a good track record in supporting suicide or the contemplation of it. Suicide is death and the thoughts that Yeshua has toward us are thoughts of peace and not evil to give us an expected end (Jer 29:11) and that end is peace (Ps 37:37).
If someone is out there and you are contemplating suicide, your end shall not be peace. Judas for three years walked with the disciples who followed Christ and he ended up hanging himself and the end of that man was not peace. King Saul and Sampson, a judge of Israel, did not commit suicide, God took them. There will be no peace from God in your decision. Suicide is not the will of God nor does it have anything to do with God. Turn from those thoughts immediately and cry out to God for mercy and live. God has made a promise, He has said that He is the God of all flesh, is there anything too hard for Him (Jer 32:17,27). You must put your trust in Him no matter what you are going through and no matter how you feel in your emotions. God is greater than all that and He has life to give you through His Son no matter what you have done. Call upon Him and He will answer. He is our hope for salvation and He is our life.
King Saul and Sampson, a judge of Israel, did not commit suicide, God took them. There will be no peace from God in your decision. Suicide is not the will of God nor does it have anything to do with God.
King Saul fell on his sword in order to not be taken and abused by the Philistines. His armour bearer followed suite. Samson asked Yahweh, God, to give him the strength one last time in order to avenge himself on the Philistines. Why are you changing the Word of Yahweh, God, to suit your whims?
As for suicide, it is not mentioned anywhere in the Word as a sin, although I would never encourage anyone to take such a drastic measure, and you should know that Yahweh, God, has forgiven many of blood guilt in the Word, although most paid for it one way or another in their life time.
Now, why do you hate me so much as to pervert the Word in order to somehow have a victory over me here in the posts. I am not here to argue, especially with someone who continually makes hateful remarks either to me or to others about me.
Do you want me to paste your hate remarks again? I really do not like having to do that, but I will if I must. I do not judge you as condemned to hell fire, but I would be a hypocrite were I to approve of your constant egotistical attacks simply because I like the name of Jesus, Yeshua. I suppose I could translate His name all the way to English and call Him The Help of I am Anointed, but you would also ridicule that, and that is what the name Jesus Christ would be like in English.
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people like you make me laugh.
you can call me young as you want...but in the end: "the first will be last and the last will be first".
That is how it is in the Kingdom...age or experience in bible doesn't matter.
The Lord kills and makes alive...yes.
but did the Lord kill you? no...you killed yourself.
God gave you life and you ended your life. You ended a gift God gave to you.
Basically you forsake him.
and what is your plsam 139 trying to say?
you quoted it but did not explain it.
has nothing to do with suicide.
you can call me young as you want...but in the end: "the first will be last and the last will be first".
That is how it is in the Kingdom...age or experience in bible doesn't matter.
The Lord kills and makes alive...yes.
but did the Lord kill you? no...you killed yourself.
God gave you life and you ended your life. You ended a gift God gave to you.
Basically you forsake him.
and what is your plsam 139 trying to say?
you quoted it but did not explain it.
has nothing to do with suicide.
BTW - Judgment and and justice are the habitation of God's throne (Ps 89:14). Our job is to point people to Christ, who is the resurrection and the life (Jn 11:25). Isn't that your Yeshua? I have come that they might have life (Jn 10:10, 5:40).
Young man, this is a forum for those who Love Jesus Christ. Now because I call Him by His Hebrew name should be no skin off of your nose, but now you have said it. Yeshua is not yours, He is mine, and Yeshua is Jesus Christ.
As for your remarks on my previous post, you repeated what I had posted as if you had not read what I posted. This is because you did not read it, as is the case time and time again as you stalk my posts here and there.
So, as you have said, Jesus, Yeshua, is MINE, and not yours. That is what you have said. How much you have come to hate. Yahweh have mercy on your soul, amen.
One of your tirades to me was trying to force me to say I adhere to Paul's teachings. You say you do, yet contrary to his teaching you admonish an elder in public without talking directly to him on the side, this is hypocritical and a total lack of respect of yourself and others.
Young man, this is a forum for those who Love Jesus Christ. Now because I call Him by His Hebrew name should be no skin off of your nose, but now you have said it. Yeshua is not yours, He is mine, and Yeshua is Jesus Christ.
As for your remarks on my previous post, you repeated what I had posted as if you had not read what I posted. This is because you did not read it, as is the case time and time again as you stalk my posts here and there.
So, as you have said, Jesus, Yeshua, is MINE, and not yours. That is what you have said. How much you have come to hate. Yahweh have mercy on your soul, amen.
One of your tirades to me was trying to force me to say I adhere to Paul's teachings. You say you do, yet contrary to his teaching you admonish an elder in public without talking directly to him on the side, this is hypocritical and a total lack of respect of yourself and others.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. King David committed murder and adultery, and God forgave him. Suicide isn't even murder in the same sense. As a Christian I don't believe that Jesus' blood is incapable of covering this sin. To say otherwise would be to diminish the power of God. What's more, I don't see suicide leading to Sheol/Hell/Purgatory as a concept supported anywhere in Scripture.
I think the people who commit suicide should be pitied - not condemned as they were obviously going through hardship that warranted the painful casting off of this life for the greater hope they would receive in God. In some cases such people have greater faith than those who continue to live this life - even if their way of facing life is misguided.
I think the people who commit suicide should be pitied - not condemned as they were obviously going through hardship that warranted the painful casting off of this life for the greater hope they would receive in God. In some cases such people have greater faith than those who continue to live this life - even if their way of facing life is misguided.
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That is true judgement is set for God, but I will not sit around listening to people that actually says suicide is ok. That is outright doctrine of Satan. Notice Saul killed himself after drawing away from God and making room for Satan, there was no guarantee he would have died from the Injury. He also sought out mediums and took the spoil of war which two things said not to do.
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Name ONE incident where a RIGHTEOUS person committed suicide in the bible. Nothing in this life is worth killing yourself over and if you try to plead you excuse before God it will be null and void for suicide is suicide. King David slew Goliath an enemy of Israel and a terror to all others. Who guided Kind Davids hands to fight and guide his sling shot into Goliath's head? God. You are trying to speak the doctrines of Satan and seeing the times we are in there will be great tribulations. Kill yourself and its a promise you wont be with God, when God says these things happen he said endure anyone can kill themselves.
"I think the people who commit suicide should be pitied - not condemned as they were obviously going through hardship that warranted the painful casting off of this life for the greater hope they would receive in God. In some cases such people have greater faith than those who continue to live this life - even if their way of facing life is misguided.[/quote]"
I feel some people may have friends or family remembers who may have committed suicide, or may have had friends who friends or family members committed suicide. So this may drive them to rationalize it, which is evil for you are putting other souls in danger. Can you fathom what is about to take place on this earth? Do you know the disasters will increase greatly and wars shall break out in great terror? In that day would you seek the desire to end your life and tell others to do so? You are also basically trying to justify the Jim Jones massacre. What many speak here is evil and of Satan, I will tell it out right.
I feel some people may have friends or family remembers who may have committed suicide, or may have had friends who friends or family members committed suicide. So this may drive them to rationalize it, which is evil for you are putting other souls in danger. Can you fathom what is about to take place on this earth? Do you know the disasters will increase greatly and wars shall break out in great terror? In that day would you seek the desire to end your life and tell others to do so? You are also basically trying to justify the Jim Jones massacre. What many speak here is evil and of Satan, I will tell it out right.
All sin is Satanic, but the only sin that is unforgivable is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Let's consider what it means to commit suicide. What did Jesus come to Earth to do? Well, to commit suicide. He came to be a willing sacrifice. That is suicide. He could've lived a peaceful, full life and ignored God's calling. However, he chose suicide. That form of suicide was a sacrifice for our benefit. There are many ways to commit suicide. A man can throw himself into a lion's den, and technically it's the lions who kill him. However, he has chosen to commit suicide.
Make no mistake, Jesus' purpose in coming was to commit suicide. He committed suicide by the hands of the Romans and the Jews. And God raised him from the dead. When a Christian commits suicide they do a number of things. They sit down. They talk to God. They ask him for another way out. They ask him for hope. They tell him they're at the end of themselves. They have no strength left. They ask for forgiveness, they trust in Christ and they ask God for his understanding. Then they commit themselves to the act which may take many forms. And one of those forms doesn't necessarily have to be a completely selfish act. They could be going to preach the Gospel to a people of a very militant mindset in the hopes that their death could change those people. Some of them just put a gun to their heads. Some of them swallow pills, overdose on prescription drugs, etc. My point is, there are many forms of suicide. They are not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and an unforgivable sin. To say they are requires you to rest your argument on your own understanding instead of what the Bible says.
For example: It's a sin you can't repent of! Therefor it's not forgiven!
Repentance is a frame of mind. It's a choice to change the direction of your life - it's not a complete lack of sinful acts in one's life. And those who ask God to show them a way out when they're at the end of their strength and susceptible to human frailties are obviously hoping to remain in obedience to God but lack the will any more to do so. It's a paradox that comes from our spirits being in submission to God but our flesh being subject to its own frailties. Our heart wishes for another option. Our heart wishes to obey God. But our flesh is weak. And if God does not provide another option for them, then their flesh wins. If you would admit that every human has their breaking point, then I'm sure it's easy to see that the decision to commit suicide can eventually depend on God's grace.
I've been in this situation before, and God decided to help me after I prayed to him. The drugs I injected into my body - enough to kill me a few times over - had no effect on me. I didn't just survive; they literally had no effect whatsoever. That was God's grace. But sometimes God doesn't help people. Sometimes God doesn't answer a person's prayer with grace. And he did that with Christ - his own Son. Jesus prayed for a way out, but God turned his back on him. And it was so that every human being could have the hope that comes with eternal life. Sometimes a person is just at the end of their rope, they pray to God and God does not answer with grace. He has his reasons. But I'm glad he chose to answer my prayer with grace.
Suicide is not the only unforgivable sin. It does not lead to Sheol. It doesn't lead to "Purgatory". Soldiers who "murder" or kill other combatants in a war but don't want to are forced to do so for self-preservation. Some of them don't have the time to repent of this "murder" before they, themselves, are killed. Suicide has jack on Jesus Christ. That's my opinion. And the only thing that will change it is Biblical evidence to the contrary - not indirect evidence or logic proofs from humans who don't entirely understand the concept of repentance or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Make no mistake, Jesus' purpose in coming was to commit suicide. He committed suicide by the hands of the Romans and the Jews. And God raised him from the dead. When a Christian commits suicide they do a number of things. They sit down. They talk to God. They ask him for another way out. They ask him for hope. They tell him they're at the end of themselves. They have no strength left. They ask for forgiveness, they trust in Christ and they ask God for his understanding. Then they commit themselves to the act which may take many forms. And one of those forms doesn't necessarily have to be a completely selfish act. They could be going to preach the Gospel to a people of a very militant mindset in the hopes that their death could change those people. Some of them just put a gun to their heads. Some of them swallow pills, overdose on prescription drugs, etc. My point is, there are many forms of suicide. They are not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and an unforgivable sin. To say they are requires you to rest your argument on your own understanding instead of what the Bible says.
For example: It's a sin you can't repent of! Therefor it's not forgiven!
Repentance is a frame of mind. It's a choice to change the direction of your life - it's not a complete lack of sinful acts in one's life. And those who ask God to show them a way out when they're at the end of their strength and susceptible to human frailties are obviously hoping to remain in obedience to God but lack the will any more to do so. It's a paradox that comes from our spirits being in submission to God but our flesh being subject to its own frailties. Our heart wishes for another option. Our heart wishes to obey God. But our flesh is weak. And if God does not provide another option for them, then their flesh wins. If you would admit that every human has their breaking point, then I'm sure it's easy to see that the decision to commit suicide can eventually depend on God's grace.
I've been in this situation before, and God decided to help me after I prayed to him. The drugs I injected into my body - enough to kill me a few times over - had no effect on me. I didn't just survive; they literally had no effect whatsoever. That was God's grace. But sometimes God doesn't help people. Sometimes God doesn't answer a person's prayer with grace. And he did that with Christ - his own Son. Jesus prayed for a way out, but God turned his back on him. And it was so that every human being could have the hope that comes with eternal life. Sometimes a person is just at the end of their rope, they pray to God and God does not answer with grace. He has his reasons. But I'm glad he chose to answer my prayer with grace.
Suicide is not the only unforgivable sin. It does not lead to Sheol. It doesn't lead to "Purgatory". Soldiers who "murder" or kill other combatants in a war but don't want to are forced to do so for self-preservation. Some of them don't have the time to repent of this "murder" before they, themselves, are killed. Suicide has jack on Jesus Christ. That's my opinion. And the only thing that will change it is Biblical evidence to the contrary - not indirect evidence or logic proofs from humans who don't entirely understand the concept of repentance or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
He sacrificed his life by coming in the name of his father, that was not suicide. Jesus said before he was killed Matthew 26:53"Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?" In an instant he could have killed every person that was to whip, persecute and slay him in a flash. But he also wanted to prove to us more that he came as man and if I can endure this life so can you. Sacrifice has many meanings, it doesn't always mean suicide. Jesus could have fought back but could he have done? again he could have slayed them all in a heartbeat but that was not what he came here for. That is why in the bible it said Jesus opened not his mouth, not a word when he was being persecuted. He was not going to cry and plead his case, he said what he said and meant it he never goes against his word. I guess then Peter committed suicide, Paul, Stephen.I guess all the Christians who died during Nero time also committed suicide. Before we even continue to you agree with the James Jones massacre?