Suicide sends a person to hell???

[TheAristocat]

He sacrificed his life by coming in the name of his father, that was not suicide. Jesus said before he was killed Matthew 26:53"Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?" In an instant he could have killed every person that was to whip, persecute and slay him in a flash. But he also wanted to prove to us more that he came as man and if I can endure this life so can you. Sacrifice has many meanings, it doesn't always mean suicide. Jesus could have fought back but could he have done? again he could have slayed them all in a heartbeat but that was not what he came here for. That is why in the bible it said Jesus opened not his mouth, not a word when he was being persecuted. He was not going to cry and plead his case, he said what he said and meant it he never goes against his word. I guess then Peter committed suicide, Paul, Stephen.I guess all the Christians who died during Nero time also committed suicide. Before we even continue to you agree with the James Jones massacre?

I'd rather not continue this discussion, since nothing from the Bible is being presented to support your argument. Jesus' explicit purpose was to commit suicide for us. Call it sacrifice if you like, but his intention was to die for us. He knew he was going to give his life for us. He did not defend himself in spite of his righteousness, and he went along with their condemnation of him. He accepted his role as a sacrifice. He accepted death. He died. He committed suicide. I do not know if Paul's intent and sole purpose in life was to get himself killed as Jesus' was.

At any rate, I hope that you will come to see the truth. Suicide does not send a person to Sheol. If you want to continue this discussion please use supporting Scriptural evidence for your position.

 

[HeIsTheIAm]

One, King Saul, two, his armor bearer, three Samson, and I am certain there are more........

Suicide is NOT ok, but I would never judge anyone who has committed it. We are commanded not to judge by Yeshua, Jesus.

Saul was ONCE righteous but he disobeyed God by taking the spoiling and consulting a witch/medium. Saul did two very wrong things before God disobeyed his order and sought a witch. Samson did not commit suicide, he already knew he was about to be put to death. So he INQUIRED of God and asked God if he may take out the wicked with him, for he in that day he put an end to many of the wicked. Samson asked God before he taken, just allow him to be avenged of his eyes. Suicide is when some one decides they dont want to live anymore and play God.

 

[HeIsTheIAm]

I'd rather not continue this discussion, since nothing from the Bible is being presented to support your argument. Jesus' explicit purpose was to commit suicide for us. Call it sacrifice if you like, but his intention was to die for us. He knew he was going to give his life for us. He did not defend himself in spite of his righteousness, and he went along with their condemnation of him. He accepted his role as a sacrifice. He accepted death. He died. He committed suicide. I do not know if Paul's intent and sole purpose in life was to get himself killed as Jesus' was.

At any rate, I hope that you will come to see the truth. Suicide does not send a person to Sheol. If you want to continue this discussion please use supporting Scriptural evidence for your position.

Yea, and you sure did use a lot of bible scriptures supporting your evidence. Did not the Christians during Nero time knew they were going to die, did not Peter? Did not Paul? Stephen? Jesus did not have to come down here and die he was a WILLING host to speak about his Father and to teach the gospel and to save the lives of many by taking their sins. You say Jesus did not defend himself what could he have done? Try to fight an Roman army and get slain on the spot? and give the wrong message to the people? You wanted him to say "oh im sorry I take back everything I said, please, please let me live". You are making yourself worse by trying to justify this evil. Sacrifice has many different meanings, you are VERY blinded.

 

[HeIsTheIAm]

The people are basically justifying the Jim Jones massacre, utter blasphemy and madness.

 

[JaumeJ]

Saul was ONCE righteous but he disobeyed God by taking the spoiling and consulting a witch/medium. Saul did two very wrong things before God disobeyed his order and sought a witch. Samson did not commit suicide, he already knew he was about to be put to death. So he INQUIRED of God and asked God if he may take out the wicked with him, for he in that day he put an end to many of the wicked. Samson asked God before he taken, just allow him to be avenged of his eyes. Suicide is when some one decides they dont want to live anymore and play God.

Saul did fall on his sword in order to prevent the Philistines from taking him captive and abusing him. He was punished in life for his sins, and was given a burial by King David. Saul was Yahweh, God's anointed, and he sinned, just as you have sinned and I. As for Samson, he pleaded with Yahweh, God, to give him strength one more time to kill the Philistines and to allow him to die with them. These are both suicides by righteous men, not to mention the One Who died willingly for your soul and mine, Jesus, Yeshua. Now, you are judging these great people when there is absolutely no Holy Scripture about suicide, however there is ample teaching from our Lord about showing mercy to all whenever possible. I think it is possible for me and for you to never judge a suicide victim, do you not?

The saints are to be handed over judgment when the thrones are set up in Yahweh's time, and Yeshua, Jesus, is King. Anyone judging to condemnation before that time has begun to reign without the King being present, and this is completely against any grace or mercy.

I am not saying nor would I ever that suicide is something recommended, but the Master has taught me well never to judge unto condemnation, and the thread of this conversation asks if suicides go to hell. I cannot answer that, not after decades of reading the Word in prayer and meditation. If you are given authority to say who goes to hell, then I am wrong.

 

[PopClick]

From my life here on earth, I have never once seen anyone who committed suicide or thought of, that is worthy to even commit suicide and expect God to say "Hey im glad you took your life, come on in with the like of King David, Job, Paul, Peter and even me who endured the sufferings of this earth". Keep dreaming.

Nobody is worthy of heaven. Nobody.

Name ONE incident where a RIGHTEOUS person committed suicide in the bible.

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."

 

[HeIsTheIAm]

Saul did fall on his sword in order to prevent the Philistines from taking him captive and abusing him. He was punished in life for his sins, and was given a burial by King David. Saul was Yahweh, God's anointed, and he sinned, just as you have sinned and I. As for Samson, he pleaded with Yahweh, God, to give him strength one more time to kill the Philistines and to allow him to die with them. These are both suicides by righteous men, not to mention the One Who died willingly for your soul and mine, Jesus, Yeshua. Now, you are judging these great people when there is absolutely no Holy Scripture about suicide, however there is ample teaching from our Lord about showing mercy to all whenever possible. I think it is possible for me and for you to never judge a suicide victim, do you not?

The saints are to be handed over judgment when the thrones are set up in Yahweh's time, and Yeshua, Jesus, is King. Anyone judging to condemnation before that time has begun to reign without the King being present, and this is completely against any grace or mercy.

I am not saying nor would I ever that suicide is something recommended, but the Master has taught me well never to judge unto condemnation, and the thread of this conversation asks if suicides go to hell. I cannot answer that, not after decades of reading the Word in prayer and meditation. If you are given authority to say who goes to hell, then I am wrong.

It was basically God who took Samson, for it was God who gave Samson his power in that moment. He asked of God "let me die with them" God analyzes the situation of his saints and all things. God saw that Samson inquired of him, so rather than letting his enemies further his suffering and even be sacrificed unto Molech. he received Sanson's spirit as he did Stephen when he cried out to him to receive his spirit. Saul was anointed but he turned aside which many of us do and which God warns us. For many reasons for it draws us closer to Satan and voids judgement. Saul inquired of anther man for help, even in the last moments of his death which was to fall upon the swordl. I here warn many people not to listen to the likes of this, for the bible even stated that many come here into the world for the sole purpose of destroying others. For if the King of Hades can masquerade as an angel of light anyone can.

 

[JaumeJ]

It was basically God who took Samson, for it was God who gave Samson his power in that moment. He asked of God "let me die with them" God analyzes the situation of his saints and all things. God saw that Samson inquired of him, so rather than letting his enemies further his suffering and even be sacrificed unto Molech. he received Sanson's spirit as he did Stephen when he cried out to him to receive his spirit. Saul was anointed but he turned aside which many of us do and which God warns us. For many reasons for it draws us closer to Satan and voids judgement. Saul inquired of anther man for help, even in the last moments of his death which was to fall upon the swordl. I here warn many people not to listen to the likes of this, for the bible even stated that many come here into the world for the sole purpose of destroying others. For if the King of Hades can masquerade as an angel of light anyone can.

My Savior and Heavenly Father is merciful. His mercy is new every day. My earthly father committed suicide. He loved Jesus, Yeshua, but his suffering was very great. I would never say I know my father is in hell, because my father loved me and taught me to believe in Jesus, and I believe Jesus, Yeshua because of his guidance. It is written, who receives a prophet for being a prophet will receive a prophet's reward. My father received me for being a believer in Yeshua, Jesus, and when I am with Yeshua, Jesus, I will certainly not refuse my father in to heaven, if given judgment. As far as I believe, he has passed judgment. Now I am relating this to you according to the Word of God, Yahweh, which He has taught me over the decades in simple words. You will receive the mercy you give to others. I pray you give mercy to others, in word and in deed. May Jesus, Yeshua have mercy on your understanding of what mercy is, amen.

 

[HeIsTheIAm]

My Savior and Heavenly Father is merciful. His mercy is new every day. My earthly father committed suicide. He loved Jesus, Yeshua, but his suffering was very great. I would never say I know my father is in hell, because my father loved me and taught me to believe in Jesus, and I believe Jesus, Yeshua because of his guidance. It is written, who receives a prophet for being a prophet will receive a prophet's reward. My father received me for being a believer in Yeshua, Jesus, and when I am with Yeshua, Jesus, I will certainly not refuse my father in to heaven, if given judgment. As far as I believe, he has passed judgment. Now I am relating this to you according to the Word of God, Yahweh, which He has taught me over the decades in simple words. You will receive the mercy you give to others. I pray you give mercy to others, in word and in deed. May Jesus, Yeshua have mercy on your understanding of what mercy is, amen.

Sorry to hear that. I know some people have had loved one who may have committed suicide her so I will not continue this conversation any further as not to make anyone feel down. I already posted what I had to say God bless.

 

[GreenNnice]

It was basically God who took Samson, for it was God who gave Samson his power in that moment. He asked of God "let me die with them" God analyzes the situation of his saints and all things. God saw that Samson inquired of him, so rather than letting his enemies further his suffering and even be sacrificed unto Molech. he received Sanson's spirit as he did Stephen when he cried out to him to receive his spirit. Saul was anointed but he turned aside which many of us do and which God warns us. For many reasons for it draws us closer to Satan and voids judgement. Saul inquired of anther man for help, even in the last moments of his death which was to fall upon the swordl. I here warn many people not to listen to the likes of this, for the bible even stated that many come here into the world for the sole purpose of destroying others. For if the King of Hades can masquerade as an angel of light anyone can.

It is silly stupid to even remotely entertain the thought that suicides can be compared.
The Lord leads, this is sel's thread , let's as jaume says, let Christ be the judge, we are to speak, words fro Him , always, we need to pray that what our mouth uttereth is from Him, for He will bless us (mightily) and minister wholly to who is needing these answers, and, right now, it is milady, sel, so, guys just release hold of all that testosterone in you and let God speak through you so sel can understand, even in yur dire conviiction to believe suicide is this or that is truly said with a compassionate understanding heart that's after God.

 

[Red33]

My Savior and Heavenly Father is merciful. His mercy is new every day. My earthly father committed suicide. He loved Jesus, Yeshua, but his suffering was very great. I would never say I know my father is in hell, because my father loved me and taught me to believe in Jesus, and I believe Jesus, Yeshua because of his guidance. It is written, who receives a prophet for being a prophet will receive a prophet's reward. My father received me for being a believer in Yeshua, Jesus, and when I am with Yeshua, Jesus, I will certainly not refuse my father in to heaven, if given judgment. As far as I believe, he has passed judgment. Now I am relating this to you according to the Word of God, Yahweh, which He has taught me over the decades in simple words. You will receive the mercy you give to others. I pray you give mercy to others, in word and in deed. May Jesus, Yeshua have mercy on your understanding of what mercy is, amen.

It is a serious mistake to base the knowledge and understanding of the truth that comes from God through the Spirit and the written word upon empiricism. We do not exercise ourselves through empiricism to understand the things of God. Sentimentality and personality rapport breads empiricism and the understanding we come to through this method is unsound and contrary to the nature and integrity of God. If we use a relational experience, that has occupied our senses and released certain strong chemicals and hormonal responses in the body through flesh and blood, to come to the knowledge of the truth, then we have replaced faith in the living God with human responses that have no basis in the character and nature of who God is. You just can't attach mercy to a sentimental viewpoint through a flesh and blood relationship and call that truth. That is a terrible way to understand who God is and how He relates to man through the redemption that is in Christ. Your knowledge and understanding of God that you attribute to Yeshua is very distorted and lacks the righteousness of God and a sound understanding of God's grace and truth.

 

[Shaije]

I don't understand it. Nearly half of the the Christians I've seen say that someone who commits suicide goes to hell because he wasn't able to repent of murdering himself. First, how is suicide murder? Murder is when someone kills another person, not themselves. I mean, if someone chooses an extremely dangerous job or gives their life to save someone else they basically killed themselves. Second, it's completely impossible for someone to repent of every single sin no matter how good of a person they try to be. When a person is saved, ALL of their sins are forgiven. So even if suicide is a sin, it is still forgiven.

Murder: is taking a life that doesnt belong to us. Suicde is self-murder. However, the Lord knows the heart, noone else. He shall choose whom He may have mercy on.

 

[Shaije]

I'd rather not continue this discussion, since nothing from the Bible is being presented to support your argument. Jesus' explicit purpose was to commit suicide for us. Call it sacrifice if you like, but his intention was to die for us. He knew he was going to give his life for us. He did not defend himself in spite of his righteousness, and he went along with their condemnation of him. He accepted his role as a sacrifice. He accepted death. He died. He committed suicide. I do not know if Paul's intent and sole purpose in life was to get himself killed as Jesus' was.

At any rate, I hope that you will come to see the truth. Suicide does not send a person to Sheol. If you want to continue this discussion please use supporting Scriptural evidence for your position.

Please be careful what you say. Jesus did NOT commit suicide! He GAVE up His Spirit....freely. He committed His Soul to God the Father, that is NOT suicide. "maybe" you need to brush up on your scriptures? we have to be "Mindful" of what we say.....People are mislead by words, and people Kill, over words....Gods speed in stayn on the Right"eous" path...NOT the "right" one.

 

[oracle2world]

Just my opinion, but yes they start out in Hell.

If they get with the program, God can forgive and offer them a place in Heaven. But God is not going to force the issue. So it is a choice, people can stay in Hell until the end of time, or not. I they do accept God's grace, then they are really not the same person consigned to Hell.

And the fact you have even asked this question, means you have some thoughts about this issue. Please let me know if you want to talk further.

 

[GreenNnice]

Please be careful what you say. Jesus did NOT commit suicide! He GAVE up His Spirit....freely. He committed His Soul to God the Father, that is NOT suicide. "maybe" you need to brush up on your scriptures? we have to be "Mindful" of what we say.....People are mislead by words, and people Kill, over words....Gods speed in stayn on the Right"eous" path...NOT the "right" one.

A right response

Just my opinion, but yes they start out in Hell.

If they get with the program, God can forgive and offer them a place in Heaven. But God is not going to force the issue. So it is a choice, people can stay in Hell until the end of time, or not. I they do accept God's grace, then they are really not the same person consigned to Hell.

And the fact you have even asked this question, means you have some thoughts about this issue. Please let me know if you want to talk further.

What are you saying, or@c?
Trying to play Russian roulette or be a judge. God is the only judge.
Like Shaje said, God is the only One who knows a own life-taker's heart.


But , start out in Hell and end up in Heaven? Where does Scripture teach that one??
It don't.

 

[Abishai]

For all those who say that Jesus committed suicide:

Satan wanted Jesus to do exactly what you say Jesus did. He wanted Jesus to commit suicide and that was satan's plan.

Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Jesus gave His life to glorify the God the Father and so did Samson. Do not compare Saul with Samson. Saul heard the call of the devil and heeded to it and he knew that God had gone away from him and did not answer to his prayers. His suicide was not the decision of God. Samson repented of the foolishness he had done. He knew the Phillistines would kill him so he asked God to help him take revenge. One should know the purpose of death in the cases of Samson, Saul and Jesus Christ.

I had respect for certain people here but now that they say without fear that Jesus committed suicide; shame on them to say such a thing.

 

[TheAristocat]

Please be careful what you say. Jesus did NOT commit suicide! He GAVE up His Spirit....freely. He committed His Soul to God the Father, that is NOT suicide. "maybe" you need to brush up on your scriptures? we have to be "Mindful" of what we say.....People are mislead by words, and people Kill, over words....Gods speed in stayn on the Right"eous" path...NOT the "right" one.

If your view is that a person who intentionally throws themselves into a lion's den with the purpose of being killed by the lions is not committing suicide, then you are correct.

Suicide: the act or an instance of killing oneself intentionally

I'm not to be held responsible for the negative stigma surrounding the English word suicide or for the definition it's been given. Just comparing Christ's act with the definition of the word, though, you'd have to admit a resemblance. Christ's death had a purpose. I wouldn't argue for a person to commit suicide merely out of grief.

 

[JaumeJ]

If your view is that a person who intentionally throws themselves into a lion's den with the purpose of being killed by the lions is not committing suicide, then you are correct.

Suicide: the act or an instance of killing oneself intentionally

I'm not to be held responsible for the negative stigma surrounding the English word suicide or for the definition it's been given. Just comparing Christ's act with the definition of the word, though, you'd have to admit a resemblance. Christ's death had a purpose. I wouldn't argue for a person to commit suicide merely out of grief.

Even grief is a purpose to end the pain. Saul fell on his own sword for a purpose, to avoid being taken alive and tortured by the Philistines. Yeshua, our Lord gave His life for you and for me, of course you know this better than anything. He set us free, and one thing we are free of is judging others to condemnation. To me to say yea or nay regarding a person's salvation simply for having a weak instant, or maybe a strong instant, is not for the Body Members until the Head is returned to rebuild His Temple of the living stones, He being the Chief and the Corner stone. It should be a joy to have mercy on everyone in our minds, while judging for ourselves only what is right in conduct for ourselves. Remember, God will justify the ungodly. I know this was I. Praise Yeshua, amen.

 

[GreenNnice]

Even grief is a purpose to end the pain. Saul fell on his own sword for a purpose, to avoid being taken alive and tortured by the Philistines. Yeshua, our Lord gave His life for you and for me, of course you know this better than anything. He set us free, and one thing we are free of is judging others to condemnation. To me to say yea or nay regarding a person's salvation simply for having a weak instant, or maybe a strong instant, is not for the Body Members until the Head is returned to rebuild His Temple of the living stones, He being the Chief and the Corner stone. It should be a joy to have mercy on everyone in our minds, while judging for ourselves only what is right in conduct for ourselves. Remember, God will justify the ungodly. I know this was I. Praise Yeshua, amen.

Jesus didn't kill.himself, He willingly gave up Himself when the time had come for the Son of man to be delivered up...

 

[GreenNnice]

Even grief is a purpose to end the pain. Saul fell on his own sword for a purpose, to avoid being taken alive and tortured by the Philistines. Yeshua, our Lord gave His life for you and for me, of course you know this better than anything. He set us free, and one thing we are free of is judging others to condemnation. To me to say yea or nay regarding a person's salvation simply for having a weak instant, or maybe a strong instant, is not for the Body Members until the Head is returned to rebuild His Temple of the living stones, He being the Chief and the Corner stone. It should be a joy to have mercy on everyone in our minds, while judging for ourselves only what is right in conduct for ourselves. Remember, God will justify the ungodly. I know this was I. Praise Yeshua, amen.

Aristocatic If your view is that a person who intentionally throws themselves into a lion's den with the purpose of being killed by the lions is not committing suicide, then you are correct.

Suicide: the act or an instance of killing oneself intentionally

I'm not to be held responsible for the negative stigma surrounding the English word suicide or for the definition it's been given. Just comparing Christ's act with the definition of the word, though, you'd have to admit a resemblance. Christ's death had a purpose. I wouldn't argue for a person to commit suicide merely out of grief.

Jesus didn't kill Himself, Stephen didn't kill Himself either. Saul did, he did it out of cowardice didn't he? God told Saul.to kill himself? No, Saul.asked his armor-bearer to kill him, but, Jesus, oh, YES! Jesus willingly gave up Himself when the time had come for the Son of man to be delivered up...

Big difference!

Jesus didn't kill himself intentionally. His accusers INTENTIONALLY killed Him.