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I never said I didn't, friend. Just your understanding of it.
Romans 2:13-15
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
One who does such a thing has accepted Christ where it matters most! Not with lip service, but obeying from the heart.
The answer is yes and no. This also comes back to God's transcendent nature, because to our limited minds it appears somewhat contradictory. We are in charge of and responsible for the choices we make, but nothing happens apart from the sovereign will and plan of God.
To help imagine God's transcendent nature, consider a very rough analogy: imagine that you live in a flat, two-dimensional plane, and a three-dimensional object intersects your plane. Your ability to have any knowledge of this object is limited by your own two-dimensional environment, and you are only able to perceive a small part of the "big picture."
To help imagine God's transcendent nature, consider a very rough analogy: imagine that you live in a flat, two-dimensional plane, and a three-dimensional object intersects your plane. Your ability to have any knowledge of this object is limited by your own two-dimensional environment, and you are only able to perceive a small part of the "big picture."
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I never said I didn't, friend. Just your understanding of it.
Romans 2:13-15
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
One who does such a thing has accepted Christ where it matters most! Not with lip service, but obeying from the heart.
Romans 2:13-15
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
One who does such a thing has accepted Christ where it matters most! Not with lip service, but obeying from the heart.
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The question is now of what law do these Gentiles keep in my earlier post. They obviously didn't keep the law of the Jews as they were WITHOUT IT. They didn't know it.
1 Corinthians 9:20-21
20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
These Gentiles that were without the law (of the Jews) were infact, under the law of Christ. This is the great spirit law again summed up in loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.
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(To Trust) So man doesn't really have a choice?
(To Crazy) There are several errors...And these are big errors that aren't really fixable.
Just a question, but you are saying God would choose someone who believed in the Bible, over someone who believed in evidence? I'm not trying to be offensive, but I have seen no evidence for the bible.
(To Crazy) There are several errors...And these are big errors that aren't really fixable.
Just a question, but you are saying God would choose someone who believed in the Bible, over someone who believed in evidence? I'm not trying to be offensive, but I have seen no evidence for the bible.
Romans 9
1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
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All God wanted was a family i believe, a family that is true. now if He stopped us from sin then where is that true love friend.....true love survives the deep heart pains of the wicked....True love is not programmed to love as the angel are (besides lucifer and his angels). Love that endures trials and tribulations which then love is the ending result. If i made man for my purpose then it would be like a robot just programmed to love....but if i make it go through many things and give them some help then they might see the love.....
Man does have a choice, and is responsible for the choices he makes, as I said.
There is no single authoritative logical, scientific, or historical argument for the truth of the Bible, although there is plenty of evidence for the biblical accounts. Ultimately, faith is the gift of God. The evidence for faith is personal evidence that comes from God Himself. Faith comes through reading the scriptures and prayer for wisdom and understanding.
There is no single authoritative logical, scientific, or historical argument for the truth of the Bible, although there is plenty of evidence for the biblical accounts. Ultimately, faith is the gift of God. The evidence for faith is personal evidence that comes from God Himself. Faith comes through reading the scriptures and prayer for wisdom and understanding.
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I saw a cartoon a while back. And as the two men were fighting, one of them made a comment that in it's simplicity, describes best at what God is doing through us. He said that there is creation and destruction; and both sides need to be served. This is the truth. We are not God's enemy. Nor are we to battle flesh and blood.
Daniel 8:11-12
11Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Through us, God is casting out all spiritual wickedness.
Daniel 8:11-12
11Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Through us, God is casting out all spiritual wickedness.
Regarding the evidence, and the existence of God:
Scientists everywhere in the world are well aware of something strange and inexplicable, something called the anthropic principle. The constants of nature, as well as the laws themselves, are exquisitely fine-tuned in just the way they need to be if life were to be possible. Consider the charges of the elementary particles, such as the proton and the electron, or the strength of the electromagnetic, gravitational, and strong and weak nuclear forces, Planck's constant, the gravitational constant, etc. Change even one of these constants by even a small amount, and everything goes awry: suddenly, stars and even atoms themselves are no longer able to form, and there are no planets, galaxies, and no way life could ever exist in any form.
So, these constants could have had any values at all. There's no reason that they had to have the values that they do, the values that support life. But they do. And the same goes for the form of the laws themselves, the principles which employ these constants: they all exist in just such a way as to make possible the conditions for life. Coincidence? No. The chances of all of the constants and laws being just right are so small they aren't even worth considering.
Scientists everywhere in the world are well aware of something strange and inexplicable, something called the anthropic principle. The constants of nature, as well as the laws themselves, are exquisitely fine-tuned in just the way they need to be if life were to be possible. Consider the charges of the elementary particles, such as the proton and the electron, or the strength of the electromagnetic, gravitational, and strong and weak nuclear forces, Planck's constant, the gravitational constant, etc. Change even one of these constants by even a small amount, and everything goes awry: suddenly, stars and even atoms themselves are no longer able to form, and there are no planets, galaxies, and no way life could ever exist in any form.
So, these constants could have had any values at all. There's no reason that they had to have the values that they do, the values that support life. But they do. And the same goes for the form of the laws themselves, the principles which employ these constants: they all exist in just such a way as to make possible the conditions for life. Coincidence? No. The chances of all of the constants and laws being just right are so small they aren't even worth considering.
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ooook friend now if God was casting out wickedness then where did the good come from friend. God hates sin and wickedness, He became man and went through everything that we go through (temptations, pain, hunger, tribulation, etc) and not sinned...so it is like He said, I was like you and went through what man goes through and yet i do no sin but all you guys are, so let me be the lamb for the slaughter.
Hey friend Israel check out my thread called Understanding 8 of where the first look of Jesus and the gospel in the beginning of the bible
Hey friend Israel check out my thread called Understanding 8 of where the first look of Jesus and the gospel in the beginning of the bible
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You are made in the image of God, that is something very special. God created you for a purpose, why would you not choose to fufill that purpose. Isn't having a purpose the meaning of life. There is millions of different animals on this planet, all made just for us. You do consider yourself more than just an animal don't you? There is every chance that there is life on other planets, but is it intellegent?