Suicide

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There's that judging again watchmen. You are in for a heap of trouble unless you repent pronto. The day of the Lord is at hand, know ye not? You lead others astray with your ideas of men, you are deceived more than most here. Don't harden your heart to this message, you are being given a last warning and mercy.
I am sorry, but I found this to be hilarious. In one breath Lauren acusing me of Judging others, and then in the next tells me of my need to repent. What irony.....lol
 
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Originally Posted by watchmen

So your saying a ''christian'' can kill, steal, lie, commit adultery, do drugs, get drunk, and whatever they want and God is just going to turn a blind eye and let them into Heaven? Come on you don't really believe that do ya?
Then what was the blood of Christ for? It covers everything! Not just a little here, a little there....EVERYTHING!

Besides, IF you have the Holy Spirit in you, your conscience is seared by such things, you don't want to do them anymore. And if by your own determined free will, you stumble and fall, God WILL NOT CONDEMN YOU to hell for it.

No man will snatch them, not one, from His hand. You are sealed by the blood of the Lamb FOREVER.

Selah.
This is amazing. I state a hyperbolic statement that no one can possibly agree with, and yet there are people defending that position as if it might be true. WOW, unbelievable.
 
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Scripture also says, no murderer has eternal life abiding in them, and that's even just talking about hate not the actual act:
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Maybe then suicide shows they didn't have eternal life and weren't truly saved in the first place? That makes more sense to me I guess. A person who knows God loves God and loves their own life and body. They usually have a sound mind and want to please God in everything. Something to think about.
This was my exact state (not word for word, but in aplication) and I was accuse of being judgmental. However I do agree with you Mahogony, suicide shows that were jnot truly saved.
 
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I am sorry, but I found this to be hilarious. In one breath Lauren acusing me of Judging others, and then in the next tells me of my need to repent. What irony.....lol
Watchmen, did I say that you weren't a "true" Christian? Did I say that you were going to hell? No, that's judging.

Mark my words watchmen, you have been warned and it wasn't by me. If any man be in the Spirit, let him have ears to hear.
 
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Watchmen, did I say that you weren't a "true" Christian? Did I say that you were going to hell? No, that's judging.

Mark my words watchmen, you have been warned and it wasn't by me. If any man be in the Spirit, let him have ears to hear.
You too have been warned and not by me but by the very word of God.

Galatians 6:7-8
7 Be not deceived God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh, shall of the flesh reap corruption: but he that soweth of the Spirit, shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

1st Corinthians 10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils: you cannot be partakers of the Lords table, and of the table of devils.

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation that shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again I shall judge my people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Galatians 5:13-21
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even this, thou shalt love your neighbor as yourself.
15 But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary one to another: so that you cannot do the things you would.
18 But if you be led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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Ironically , Watchmen, "weren't saved in the first place" is a typical argument of OSAS believers to justify how a person can go from being a christian to a sinner, instead of admitting the most obvious reason - that we have free choice. I don't like to use it to be honest but find myself using it in this context of suicide lol. I'm open to all possibilities. Such as, weren't saved in the first place, got off track somehow (were saved, then somehow fell away) etc.
 
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You think your profession of faith is enough to save you?
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that say unto me Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that does the will of my father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name did many wonderful works?
23 And I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God: but in works they do deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.




If your actions do not match your profession, then your profession of faith is mute.
 
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Ironically , Watchmen, "weren't saved in the first place" is a typical argument of OSAS believers to justify how a person can go from being a christian to a sinner, instead of admitting the most obvious reason - that we have free choice. I don't like to use it to be honest but find myself using it in this context of suicide lol. I'm open to all possibilities. Such as, weren't saved in the first place, got off track somehow (were saved, then somehow fell away) etc.
I agree and if you read my statement I did not say they were never saved, just that they were not truly saved when even before they actually committed the act of killing themselves.
 
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quote by watchmen: "This was my exact state (not word for word, but in aplication) and I was accuse of being judgmental. However I do agree with you Mahogony, suicide shows that were jnot truly saved."

If a ''Christian'' commits murder then they are not a christian.
No, the above is where you are being judgmental.

"They are not a Christian", "They are not truly a Christian", "They are not a true Christian".

The difference between your remarks and mine are that yours are an outright declaration of the state of someone's heart, declaring that you know their status with God based on what you can see.

Note again, that nowhere did I say your weren't a Christian, watchmen, as I would not be presumptuous enough to know your real relationship to God.

It is obvious to me you can't discern between blatant judgment and righteous warning. Nuff said.
 
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quote by watchmen: "This was my exact state (not word for word, but in aplication) and I was accuse of being judgmental. However I do agree with you Mahogony, suicide shows that were jnot truly saved."



No, the above is where you are being judgmental.

"They are not a Christian", "They are not truly a Christian", "They are not a true Christian".

The difference between your remarks and mine are that yours are an outright declaration of the state of someone's heart, declaring that you know their status with God based on what you can see.

Note again, that nowhere did I say your weren't a Christian, watchmen, as I would not be presumptuous enough to know your real relationship to God.

It is obvious to me you can't discern between blatant judgment and righteous warning. Nuff said.
No Christian would murder anyone not even themselves, plain and simple, that is not judgment it is common since.

Matthew 7
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


I am pretty sure murder is bad fruit.
 
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And please don't even use the "We shall know them by their fruits" as an excuse for judging someone. "Shall know" is wayyyy different than proclaiming outright on a public forum (or anywhere for that matter) the eternal state of someone's soul. Do you see anything in that scripture that says you're supposed to declare someone's spiritual status to the world? Or even to another person?

I've said what I came to say and won't be back to respond because only the Holy Spirit will be able to reveal this to you, as my words are but foolishness to you.

~ Lauren
 
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