Sunday as the Lord's day is one of Satan's greatest deceptions...

[RachelBibleStudent]

You allowed your mind to be debunked. The Bible says differently.

if you actually bothered reading the thread i linked to then you would have seen that i proved everything from the bible...

but given your preference for blatantly rewriting the bible jehovah's witness style instead of just believing what it says...i guess proving something from the bible doesn't mean much to you...

 

[VCO]

if you actually bothered reading the thread i linked to then you would have seen that i proved everything from the bible...

but given your preference for blatantly rewriting the bible jehovah's witness style instead of just believing what it says...i guess proving something from the bible doesn't mean much to you...

Amazing isn't it. My guess is that several of us will agree with your last statement.

 

[Scuba]

if you actually bothered reading the thread i linked to then you would have seen that i proved everything from the bible...

but given your preference for blatantly rewriting the bible jehovah's witness style instead of just believing what it says...i guess proving something from the bible doesn't mean much to you...

Satan has been debunking what God has said from the beginning of time. Do you think you have something new to offer?

You can through out the Law and all the covenants and you're still left with a seven day creation week with the seventh day being a blessed, holy and sanctified day and the last time I checked, we still have a seven day week.

The Law didn't make the seventh day blessed, holy and sanctified and the cross didn't make it unholy, unblessed or unsanctified, Satan did through religious man.

 

[homwardbound]

Satan has been debunking what God has said from the beginning of time. Do you think you have something new to offer?

You can through out the Law and all the covenants and you're still left with a seven day creation week with the seventh day being a blessed, holy and sanctified day and the last time I checked, we still have a seven day week.

The Law didn't make the seventh day blessed, holy and sanctified and the cross didn't make it unholy, unblessed or unsanctified, Satan did through religious man.

Satan did even before the cross and even before any day sanctified as better than another, and the sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath, to rest not just one day bout all days in trust to Father every day and in Ex it is written the first day and last day of the week is Holy
Find it I think in 4th chapter,

 

[Dan58]

Satan has been debunking what God has said from the beginning of time. Do you think you have something new to offer?

You can through out the Law and all the covenants and you're still left with a seven day creation week with the seventh day being a blessed, holy and sanctified day and the last time I checked, we still have a seven day week.

The Law didn't make the seventh day blessed, holy and sanctified and the cross didn't make it unholy, unblessed or unsanctified, Satan did through religious man.

The Lord's Day is not Sunday, the first day of the week is just when Christ resurrected. The "Day of the Lord" is a reference to his return, as it begins a 1000 year period (millennium) when Satan will be locked-up. So imo, Sunday is not the Lord's day, Sunday is not and has never been the Sabbath, nor does it have anything to do with Satan.

The sabbath day was created for man, but only until the Lord of the Sabbath was given for man. Our spiritual rest was fulfilled in Christ, it is no longer a shadow of something to come. Our Sabbath rest is not something to hope for in the future, nor is it something past to call into remembrance, but its a daily reality and alive in Christ. The Lord of the Sabbath is our permanent rest, not Saturday or Sunday. JMO

 

[Scuba]

The Lord's Day is not Sunday, the first day of the week is just when Christ resurrected. The "Day of the Lord" is a reference to his return, as it begins a 1000 year period (millennium) when Satan will be locked-up. So imo, Sunday is not the Lord's day, Sunday is not and has never been the Sabbath, nor does it have anything to do with Satan.

The sabbath day was created for man, but only until the Lord of the Sabbath was given for man. Our spiritual rest was fulfilled in Christ, it is no longer a shadow of something to come. Our Sabbath rest is not something to hope for in the future, nor is it something past to call into remembrance, but its a daily reality and alive in Christ. The Lord of the Sabbath is our permanent rest, not Saturday or Sunday. JMO

In order for Satan to change the Sabbath day to Sunday he most first distort what God had said. Here is what has been changed. Jesus didn't die on Friday and raise on Sunday. The early church never gathered for sacred assembly on the first day. There is no verse in the bible that says Sunday is the Lord's day.

 

[VCO]

In order for Satan to change the Sabbath day to Sunday he most first distort what God had said. Here is what has been changed. Jesus didn't die on Friday and raise on Sunday. The early church never gathered for sacred assembly on the first day. There is no verse in the bible that says Sunday is the Lord's day.

I repeat almost NONE of us modern day mainline Protestants believe Sunday is the Christian Sabbath. That was a false presupposition of Ellen White a proven false prophet. We worship on Sunday to Celebrate His Resurrection. Sabbath will always be Saturday, and is a sign of the covenant between God and the Israelites. Jesus rose on First Fruits which God said was to be celebrated on the "morrow after the Sabbath" once a year. So you can stop crying "the Sky is falling" now.

 

[VCO]

The Lord's Day is not Sunday, the first day of the week is just when Christ resurrected. The "Day of the Lord" is a reference to his return, as it begins a 1000 year period (millennium) when Satan will be locked-up. So imo, Sunday is not the Lord's day, Sunday is not and has never been the Sabbath, nor does it have anything to do with Satan.

The sabbath day was created for man, but only until the Lord of the Sabbath was given for man. Our spiritual rest was fulfilled in Christ, it is no longer a shadow of something to come. Our Sabbath rest is not something to hope for in the future, nor is it something past to call into remembrance, but its a daily reality and alive in Christ. The Lord of the Sabbath is our permanent rest, not Saturday or Sunday. JMO

I take it that you did not read my post #31.

 

[RedTent]

I repeat almost NONE of us modern day mainline Protestants believe Sunday is the Christian Sabbath. That was a false presupposition of Ellen White a proven false prophet. We worship on Sunday to Celebrate His Resurrection. Sabbath will always be Saturday, and is a sign of the covenant between God and the Israelites. Jesus rose on First Fruits which God said was to be celebrated on the "morrow after the Sabbath" once a year. So you can stop crying "the Sky is falling" now.

I have searched and search for some scripture to back up Sunday worship and found none except that it was discovered that Christ had risen on a Sunday, but that no one knew when he actually rose. So please hurry, give us this scripture that says that First Fruits is a weekly celebration to be done every Sunday to celebrate the resurrection and this is to replace the weekly Sabbath.

It has really bothered me that our church follows the early gentile leaders instead of scripture.

 

[Shubee]

Sunday as the Lord's day is one of Satan's greatest deceptions.

How is that possible? Shubert's date line existence theorem clearly proves that an international date line must exist, where the difference between Saturday and Sunday is just a silly matter of stepping over an arbitrarily defined line.

 

[VCO]

I have searched and search for some scripture to back up Sunday worship and found none except that it was discovered that Christ had risen on a Sunday, but that no one knew when he actually rose. So please hurry, give us this scripture that says that First Fruits is a weekly celebration to be done every Sunday to celebrate the resurrection and this is to replace the weekly Sabbath.

It has really bothered me that our church follows the early gentile leaders instead of scripture.

Once again, I take it that you too did not read my post #31.

 

[VCO]

Leviticus 23:2-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] 'Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
For who?

Exodus 31:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Tell the Israelites: You must observe My Sabbaths, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, so that you will know that I am Yahweh who sets you apart.

AND then in the New Testament the Priesthood Changed from the Tribe of Levi to the Tribe of Judah:

Hebrews 7:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.

Hebrews 10:24-25 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together { no mention of the day }, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

Romans 14:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.


It appears we have nothing to debate on this subject.

 

[RedTent]

Once again, I take it that you too did not read my post #31.

I have carefully read all of these and the scripture from Leviticus is one I hadn't studied. I see scripture talking about meeting in these scriptures, even meetings with a special purpose, but I can not find in them that the day God blessed and told us to use as a day of rest is changed to the first day of the week. They talk of things to do that day, in Leviticus that 7 Sabbaths would have been completed and over with, but not to change the day God blessed.

When Christ became our High Priest to replace the former ones, Christ never changed anything He and His Father had set up as principles. Christ even told us He didn't, so we would see clearly what did change and how. But that Christ could change the day God blessed would be impossible.

We see by reading Paul that God isn't part of our earthly naming days, so if we think Sunday is the day he named God allows that. The church is convinced that they can name Sunday instead of Saturday, and it is OK with God as Paul tells us. But still, the legalistically correct Saturday is the day God blessed.

 

[Scuba]

I repeat almost NONE of us modern day mainline Protestants believe Sunday is the Christian Sabbath. That was a false presupposition of Ellen White a proven false prophet. We worship on Sunday to Celebrate His Resurrection. Sabbath will always be Saturday, and is a sign of the covenant between God and the Israelites. Jesus rose on First Fruits which God said was to be celebrated on the "morrow after the Sabbath" once a year. So you can stop crying "the Sky is falling" now.

Jesus, not Ellen White, rebuked people for replacing the commandments of God with the commandments of men. For years I've heard that Christians celebrate Sunday as the Lord's day because Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday. The fact there is no verse in the Bible that says Sunday is the Lord's or that the Sabbath was now changed to Sunday is a huge testimony to the fact that Sunday observance is a tradition of man.

"Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday." Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

Satan has an agenda. As long as Satan can get you to do something, other than what God said, it doesn't matter how he does it as long as he does it. Remember, Satan working through the Antichrist changed God's times and Law. Jesus didn't die on Friday and raise Sunday morning. The Bible gives no authority to celebrate Jesus' resurrection, never mind change the seventh day Sabbath in the process.

So called Christians adopted Sunday resurrection in order fit Easter into the faith many years after the Apostles. This was done in order to identify with the pagans in hope of converting them to Christ. We find the same things happening with Jesus being born on Dec.25th.

God's timeline, regarding Passover week, goes like this. There were two Sabbaths that week separated by a normal work day. Mary bought the spices on the normal work day, which was after the first Sabbath, she then prepared the spices on the normal work day and then as the sun was setting on the normal work day she had to rest on the Sabbath according to the commandment. You can't have a Friday Crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection in today's modern timeline. The Antichrist changed God's timeline and people are believing it.

 

[phil112]

............................It has really bothered me that our church follows the early gentile leaders instead of scripture.

You ain't lying about the first part.

2 Timothy 1:11 "Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles"

Paul IS the "early gentile leader", chosen by God to lead us and taught by Christ.

The last 3 words shows how disconnected you are from scripture. Paul not only followed scripture, he WROTE it. You dismiss Paul's teaching, even tho he got it from Christ.

 

[RedTent]

You ain't lying about the first part.

2 Timothy 1:11 "Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles"

Paul IS the "early gentile leader", chosen by God to lead us and taught by Christ.

The last 3 words shows how disconnected you are from scripture. Paul not only followed scripture, he WROTE it. You dismiss Paul's teaching, even tho he got it from Christ.

So NOW in all your mixed up scripture, Paul has become a gentile? And on top of THAT, you actually have the nerve to infer that Paul is not scripture, he is an early church leader!! Have you even heard of Origen, Clement, or Ignatius?

 

[iamsoandso]

not to mention polycarpus,hippolitus,ect.ect.,,,,,

 

[iamsoandso]

so who actually are those who still honor the sabbath day who are they?,,,we all seem to be lumped into one group or the other from one extreme or the other there are the sda,,and they teach that the seventh day is to be followed but then in practice they sway from it,,,then there are those who go to the extreme of setting up places,farms, land where we can completely turn off all utilities and not burn fires,where the servants are not required to labor on the sabbath and all water is drawn the day before,,,and they call us cults,,, Two Decades Later, Some Branch Davidians Still Believe : NPR

 

[secularhermit]

@ Mrs Red Tent

If you ever meant Paul's writings are not Scripture, I also tend to see as Scripture those written up to the 4 Gospels. The rest of the others books I see as those who left aside Maccabees and several others ancient books.

My faith is in GOD and The Lord Jesus, not in men's.

 

[RedTent]

so who actually are those who still honor the sabbath day who are they?,,,we all seem to be lumped into one group or the other from one extreme or the other there are the sda,,and they teach that the seventh day is to be followed but then in practice they sway from it,,,then there are those who go to the extreme of setting up places,farms, land where we can completely turn off all utilities and not burn fires,where the servants are not required to labor on the sabbath and all water is drawn the day before,,,and they call us cults,,, Two Decades Later, Some Branch Davidians Still Believe : NPR

Don't you think that Paul taught that it is the basic spirit of keeping Sabbath that counts, and we aren't to judge others on the way they express their love of the Lord by honoring the Sabbath God tells us of. Paul even said that man can choose the day of Sabbath, it is the spirit of keeping it that counts.

I really like the idea of allowing your entire self into honoring this day! I'll bet people laugh at those who go this far in their honor, but it is showing a way of doing every possible thing to express love of the Lord. Many will accuse them of not using their heart as they live this lifestyle, and there is a chance someone who does this does it as acts without their soul in it, but no one but God knows that. Even those just performing the act still will make people think about their Sabbath.

When people say that God cancelled the Sabbath, it is not doing anything about leading the world to God. This way is making a statement about their love of the Lord. Some will bring up that old "it won't save you, don't do it" they always say. It is like saying married people in love with each other may not hold hands.