Sunday Keepers Dare to explain this

[ELECT]

I don't care when someone "goes to church" I care if they know the Gospel of Christ. That's my agenda that's my command from God..to spread the Gospel of Christ.

just a reminder

Even false prophet preach that Christ died for us

[h=1]Galatians 1:6-11King James Version (KJV)[/h]6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

 

[ELECT]

I don't care when someone "goes to church" I care if they know the Gospel of Christ. That's my agenda that's my command from God..to spread the Gospel of Christ.

[h=1]Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)[/h]21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It is all about doctrine anyone can tell someone to accept Jesus as their Saviour

 

[ELECT]

Yes but think about this...the two greatest commandments. Love God love others. In the new covenant do you think God is more concerned what day we set aside for Him or that we have given our lives to Him? I totally have no problem with messianic Jews keeping the Sabbath and following some Jewish traditions. The problem arises when we start to "judge" others by certain things they do like "church on Sunday". When we judge others on things like this we become no better that the Jewish leaders of old.

So my brother Hiz can we agree that Christ is the center not a day we "give to Him"? We should be giving every day to God anyway in my book once a week isn't enough and neither is 8 days a week

These commandments are not new to love God it is in the OT
Do you know where you can find them ?

 

[ELECT]

I might be lost a bit lol
My point would be that we are no longer under the Mosaic law. And would God be more happy on a day we "worship" Him or that we have given our lives to Christ. Things like this divide the church and take our minds off the Gospel of Christ. I just think we on a whole as the church need to focus more on the Gospel.

Was a gospel preach to Israel ?

 

[ELECT]

Ironically there is no Sunday Keeper explaining the verse I wonder Why

an attempt was made to the contrary though ?

Isaiah 66:22-24King James Version (KJV)

22 For as the new [COLOR=#0000FF !important]heavens and the [COLOR=#0000FF !important]new earth[/COLOR], which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.[/COLOR]
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one [COLOR=#0000FF !important]sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.[/COLOR]
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Was a gospel preach to Israel ?

Which of the commandments was not quoted by Jesus in the Gospels?

 

[ELECT]

Which of the commandments was not quoted by Jesus in the Gospels?

Cant say off my head please share thy wisdom thanks

could you explain this verse

Isaiah 66:22-24King James Version (KJV)

22 For as the new [COLOR=#0000FF !important]heavens and the [COLOR=#0000FF !important]new earth[/COLOR], which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.[/COLOR]
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one [COLOR=#0000FF !important]sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.[/COLOR]
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

 

[Mitspa]

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come


Ga 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Here we see that we have been delivered from the law of Moses...through the Cross of Christ...and we can clearly see that the Church of the New Testament NEVER would meet on the Sabbath day... But always would meet on the first day of the week, in honor of the Lord and The Lords Day.

 

[ELECT]

Here we see that we have been delivered from the law of Moses...through the Cross of Christ...and we can clearly see that the Church of the New Testament NEVER would meet on the Sabbath day... But always would meet on the first day of the week, in honor of the Lord and The Lords Day.

Mark 16:1-6King James Version (KJV)

16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Mark's account. (Mark 16:1-6) Read it carefully in your Bible. Notice that these women came to anoint the body of Jesus on the first day of the week "at the rising of the sun". When they arrived, they found the stone rolled away from the door of the sepulcher. Jesus was already risen; He was not there. An empty tomb at sunrise Sunday morning is NOT PROOF that he arose that morning.

 

[EbalT5]

Isaiah 66:22-24King James Version (KJV)

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

I think you have made the point that the Sabbath is eternal.
But you see how our brethren wiggle and squirm and invent ways to get around the truth of this Scripture.

 

[Mitspa]

Mark 16:1-6King James Version (KJV)

16 And when the sabbathwas past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morningthe first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Mark's account. (Mark 16:1-6) Read it carefully in your Bible. Notice that these women came to anoint the body of Jesus on the first day of the week "at the rising of the sun". When they arrived, they found the stone rolled away from the door of the sepulcher. Jesus was already risen; He was not there. An empty tomb at sunrise Sunday morning is NOT PROOF that he arose that morning.

You read it and all the other accounts and its absolute and clear it was the first day of the week and the Church always would meet on the first day of the week!

 

[ELECT]

I think you have made the point that the Sabbath is eternal.
But you see how our brethren wiggle and squirm and invent ways to get around the truth of this Scripture.

that is a fact no one has explain the verse no one why the truth is the truth

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Cant say off my head please share thy wisdom thanks

Certainly. The answer is, # 5

Exodus 20, NASB
8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."
​

That is the one commandment of the original ten that Christ did not quote. And of course, there is a reason.

The New Testament treats the Sabbath in a significantly different way than the Old Testament does, and it is not required for Christians today. This does not mean that Sabbath-keepers must cease keeping the Sabbath. Christians who choose to keep the seventh-day Sabbath, and Christians who do not choose to do so, should be tolerant of each other's convictions. I will affirm that first and foremost.

But also we should be aware, Creation week was unique. We do not expect God's activity on the first day to be repeated on every first day. What He did on the fourth day does not affect subsequent Wednesdays. What He did on the seventh day of creation — cease from creation — is not repeated every week thereafter. He ceased only once, because He created only once. That's extremely significant.

Humans are not able to imitate God's activity. Humans cannot create for six days, so we are unable to cease from creation on the seventh. That's not to say we do not work for five or six days, but we are not "creating" -- we are just working. There is nothing new under the sun. We cannot imitate everything God did. If humans were told to imitate one specific aspect of creation week, rest, we are told nothing about it in Genesis. Scripture records various commands given to Adam and Eve, but there is not one hint of a Sabbath command either before, nor especially, after, they sinned.

Moreover, even if every seventh day were holy, we are not told anything about how it was to be kept. The way in which Israel was commanded to keep holy time is not necessarily how the patriarchs would have kept holy time. God's end-of-creation rest could provide a pattern for a Sabbath command centuries later, just as it provided a pattern for the sabbatical year, but the pattern does not prove that the Sabbath command itself existed before Moses.

A Sabbath doctrine cannot be based on speculations about creation ordinances or assumptions about pre-Mosaic worship practices. Genesis does not command the seventh day to be observed in any particular way. Nevertheless, some people think that the overall impression of Scripture is that the Sabbath existed ever since the seventh day of creation. They are of course free to keep the Sabbath. However, we cannot use an implied or inferred "creation ordinance" as proof of what God's people are required to do today. We cannot use Genesis to prove that everyone must abide by this rule or else miss out on salvation. If Christians should rest on the Sabbath, the doctrine should be based on other passages of Scripture.

could you explain this verse

Isaiah 66:22-24, King James Version (KJV)
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth[/COLOR], which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

You want to make the use of the word "sabbath" important, but it isn't. In fact, though I'm sure you disagree, Paul makes it clear that the day of worship is not nearly as significant as what Christ has done for us.

Colossians 2, NASB
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. [Bolding represents my emphasis]
​

Because of what He has done, the practices of the Law -- which He fulfilled, I remind you -- are made insignificant, including the day of worship.

 

[ELECT]

Certainly. The answer is, # 5

Exodus 20, NASB
8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."​

That is the one commandment of the original ten that Christ did not quote. And of course, there is a reason.

The New Testament treats the Sabbath in a significantly different way than the Old Testament does, and it is not required for Christians today. This does not mean that Sabbath-keepers must cease keeping the Sabbath. Christians who choose to keep the seventh-day Sabbath, and Christians who do not choose to do so, should be tolerant of each other's convictions. I will affirm that first and foremost.

But also we should be aware, Creation week was unique. We do not expect God's activity on the first day to be repeated on every first day. What He did on the fourth day does not affect subsequent Wednesdays. What He did on the seventh day of creation — cease from creation — is not repeated every week thereafter. He ceased only once, because He created only once. That's extremely significant.

Humans are not able to imitate God's activity. Humans cannot create for six days, so we are unable to cease from creation on the seventh. That's not to say we do not work for five or six days, but we are not "creating" -- we are just working. There is nothing new under the sun. We cannot imitate everything God did. If humans were told to imitate one specific aspect of creation week, rest, we are told nothing about it in Genesis. Scripture records various commands given to Adam and Eve, but there is not one hint of a Sabbath command either before, nor especially, after, they sinned.

Moreover, even if every seventh day were holy, we are not told anything about how it was to be kept. The way in which Israel was commanded to keep holy time is not necessarily how the patriarchs would have kept holy time. God's end-of-creation rest could provide a pattern for a Sabbath command centuries later, just as it provided a pattern for the sabbatical year, but the pattern does not prove that the Sabbath command itself existed before Moses.

A Sabbath doctrine cannot be based on speculations about creation ordinances or assumptions about pre-Mosaic worship practices. Genesis does not command the seventh day to be observed in any particular way. Nevertheless, some people think that the overall impression of Scripture is that the Sabbath existed ever since the seventh day of creation. They are of course free to keep the Sabbath. However, we cannot use an implied or inferred "creation ordinance" as proof of what God's people are required to do today. We cannot use Genesis to prove that everyone must abide by this rule or else miss out on salvation. If Christians should rest on the Sabbath, the doctrine should be based on other passages of Scripture.

You want to make the use of the word "sabbath" important, but it isn't. In fact, though I'm sure you disagree, Paul makes it clear that the day of worship is not nearly as significant as what Christ has done for us.

Colossians 2, NASB
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. 16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. [Bolding my emphasis]​

Because of what He has done, the practices of the Law -- which He fulfilled, I remind you -- are made insignificant, including the day of worship.

how ironic seems it is in my bible he did not quote

[h=1]Matthew 19:16-21King James Version (KJV)[/h]16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Is the first 4 out of the ten mentioned ? Why or Why not ? thanks for your imput on isaiah

 

[ELECT]

Certainly. The answer is, # 5

Exodus 20, NASB
8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."
​

That is the one commandment of the original ten that Christ did not quote. And of course, there is a reason.

The New Testament treats the Sabbath in a significantly different way than the Old Testament does, and it is not required for Christians today. This does not mean that Sabbath-keepers must cease keeping the Sabbath. Christians who choose to keep the seventh-day Sabbath, and Christians who do not choose to do so, should be tolerant of each other's convictions. I will affirm that first and foremost.

But also we should be aware, Creation week was unique. We do not expect God's activity on the first day to be repeated on every first day. What He did on the fourth day does not affect subsequent Wednesdays. What He did on the seventh day of creation — cease from creation — is not repeated every week thereafter. He ceased only once, because He created only once. That's extremely significant.

Humans are not able to imitate God's activity. Humans cannot create for six days, so we are unable to cease from creation on the seventh. That's not to say we do not work for five or six days, but we are not "creating" -- we are just working. There is nothing new under the sun. We cannot imitate everything God did. If humans were told to imitate one specific aspect of creation week, rest, we are told nothing about it in Genesis. Scripture records various commands given to Adam and Eve, but there is not one hint of a Sabbath command either before, nor especially, after, they sinned.

Moreover, even if every seventh day were holy, we are not told anything about how it was to be kept. The way in which Israel was commanded to keep holy time is not necessarily how the patriarchs would have kept holy time. God's end-of-creation rest could provide a pattern for a Sabbath command centuries later, just as it provided a pattern for the sabbatical year, but the pattern does not prove that the Sabbath command itself existed before Moses.

A Sabbath doctrine cannot be based on speculations about creation ordinances or assumptions about pre-Mosaic worship practices. Genesis does not command the seventh day to be observed in any particular way. Nevertheless, some people think that the overall impression of Scripture is that the Sabbath existed ever since the seventh day of creation. They are of course free to keep the Sabbath. However, we cannot use an implied or inferred "creation ordinance" as proof of what God's people are required to do today. We cannot use Genesis to prove that everyone must abide by this rule or else miss out on salvation. If Christians should rest on the Sabbath, the doctrine should be based on other passages of Scripture.

You want to make the use of the word "sabbath" important, but it isn't. In fact, though I'm sure you disagree, Paul makes it clear that the day of worship is not nearly as significant as what Christ has done for us.

Colossians 2, NASB
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
15 When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. [Bolding represents my emphasis]
​

Because of what He has done, the practices of the Law -- which He fulfilled, I remind you -- are made insignificant, including the day of worship.

Where in genesis does it say honour you parents ? dont take God name in vain ?

 

[passinthru]

Can the Sabbath be kept every day?

We can REST in God every day .... Sabbath is rest my friend . Can we treust Him enough to enter into His rest that he has provided us through the blood of Jesus or do we still feel we need to earn a gift that we accepted already? The Gift of life in Christ Jesus is not based on days. lets praise God for what he has done and worship him in spirit and in truth. Love is God and God is Love.
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[TD] [/TD]
[TD="class: td_bible_text"] The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. [/TD]
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1Co 15:57[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. [/TD]
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[Kerry]

My goodness people it makes no difference what day we met as long as we meet. I meant Sunday in America is Monday in Europe. I meant Sunday in Europe is Monday in China. So is by location or is it by what day it is in Jerusalem?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

how ironic seems it is in my bible he did not quote ... Is the first 4 out of the ten mentioned ? Why or Why not ? thanks for your imput on isaiah

Irrelevant. Throughout the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus quoted every single one of the Ten Commandments except the Fifth. The Sabbath day given the Jews was irrelevant to the Gentiles, as evidenced by the requirements the Council of Jerusalem saw fit to place upon the Gentiles.

Acts 15, NASB
19 "Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,
20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood."
​

In the letter sent to them, quoted in Acts 15:23-29, that that would be the only things the Gentiles be burdened with, which was appropriate since God's chosen people, the Jews, could not even keep the Law themselves. It made no sense to them, or God, to burden them with failed Laws and requirements when the only thing required for salvation was and is belief on Jesus Christ.

 

[passinthru]

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[TD="class: vRefb"]Col 2:16[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispb"]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/TD]
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[passinthru]

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[TD="class: vRefb"]Heb 10:25[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispb"]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.[/TD]
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