Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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Truth7t7

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#81

If you can find anything in either one of these
videos that is in error...mark the time and we can discuss it
if you post it.
Fundamental Baptist From Arizona, Pastor Stephen Lee Anderson, A Controversial Figure, Banned From Entering Countries In Half The World?

On The Southern Poverty Law Centers Hit List?

That's Gotta Be A Good Guy! :giggle:
 

Truth7t7

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So the Jewish people should not be permitted to celebrate their Independence Day? It is an annual celebration.

Unless I am misinformed, Jews don't attack Palestinians during Ramadan, etc. However, many nations accept that it is ok for Palestinians to fight against Israel at every turn. Hummm, wonder what is up with that.
Should the KKK march through black neighborhoods, with capes and hoods celebrating white pride month, expecting no reaction?

The same applied to the protestant (Royal Order of Orange) in Ireland, beating their drums and marching the streets in Catholic Ireland, celebrating their anniversary of King William Boynes 1690 victory over Catholics in Ireland
 

Wansvic

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#83
Do you pray for the enemies of the Kingdom of God?
We all should according to Jesus Himself:

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matt 5:44-48
 

Roughsoul1991

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With the amount of false narrative surrounding the situation, starting from WW1 to this day. It's hard to say how much support the nation state should get, I'm not even sure if the nation state and any remnant of biblical Israel are even related.

As a nation however they do have the right to defend themselves, as for how much the world should jump in ... well, that's a good question.

I know not all Israel is Israel, only those who believe are.
I know not all Israel is Israel, only those who believe are
Hebrews 3:16-19
New International Version

16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

Was this generation still considered Israelites?


Luke 19:41-44
New King James Version

41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

Why was Jesus weeping over Jerusalem if Israel was only those who believe? If it was only those who believed then he wouldn't of had the need to cry.

Possibly because Israel as a nation has a broader spectrum than just who believes.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Should the KKK march through black neighborhoods, with capes and hoods celebrating white pride month, expecting no reaction?

The same applied to the protestant (Royal Order of Orange) in Ireland, beating their drums and marching the streets in Catholic Ireland, celebrating their anniversary of King William Boynes 1690 victory over Catholics in Ireland
How is this the same? If you live in Israel then you except this type of parade just like a British guy being subjected to Independence day. If you don't like it then they can go back to their land that they probably fled from because it was terrible. A country shouldn't cower in fear just because an enemy doesn't like what they do in their own country.
 

Roughsoul1991

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#86
Fundamental Baptist From Arizona, Pastor Stephen Lee Anderson, A Controversial Figure, Banned From Entering Countries In Half The World?

On The Southern Poverty Law Centers Hit List?

That's Gotta Be A Good Guy! :giggle:
The southern poverty law Center is a joke. Not a legit center to judge anything. Their list sparked a shooting at the Family Research Council's main building.
 

oyster67

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Support Israel?


Sure we should, especially if we are speaking of Spiritual Israel (we are Spiritual Israel).
The Bible also tells us to support National Israel in the last days. We, as Christians, should not be ashamed to be called a Zionist. The most glaring example of anti-Zionist sentiment is the Nazi party. Who would want to be found tooting that horn?

Numbers
24:5 How goodly are thy tents, O Jacob, [and] thy tabernacles, O Israel!
24:6 As the valleys are they spread forth, as gardens by the river's side, as the trees of lign aloes which the LORD hath planted, [and] as cedar trees beside the waters.
24:7 He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed [shall be] in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted.
24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce [them] through with his arrows.
24:9 He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed [is] he that blesseth thee, and cursed [is] he that curseth thee.
24:10 And Balak's anger was kindled against Balaam, and he smote his hands together: and Balak said unto Balaam, I called thee to curse mine enemies, and, behold, thou hast altogether blessed [them] these three times.
24:11 Therefore now flee thou to thy place: I thought to promote thee unto great honour; but, lo, the LORD hath kept thee back from honour.
24:12 And Balaam said unto Balak, Spake I not also to thy messengers which thou sentest unto me, saying,
24:13 If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the commandment of the LORD, to do [either] good or bad of mine own mind; [but] what the LORD saith, that will I speak?
24:14 And now, behold, I go unto my people: come [therefore, and] I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days.
 

Truth7t7

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How is this the same? If you live in Israel then you except this type of parade just like a British guy being subjected to Independence day. If you don't like it then they can go back to their land that they probably fled from because it was terrible. A country shouldn't cower in fear just because an enemy doesn't like what they do in their own country.
The Israelis were aware of the potential risk of their actions, and it appears to have started a war

The Israeli police desired to change the route of the parade, and were well aware of the risk of violence, that has escalated into the present war in Israel

Jerusalem Day: Increased calls to alter Flag March route through Old City
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MAY 9, 2021 13:44



Groups of Jewish youth movements wave Israeli flags as they celebrate Jerusalem Day by the Great Synagogue, on King George Street, before taking part in the parade to the Old City. Jerusalem Day celebrates the 47th anniversary of its capture of Arab East Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967.
(photo credit: HADAS PARUSH/FLASH90)

Israel Police is ready to change the plan of events if needed, and Arab Meretz MK Esawi Frej warned of Jerusalem Day turning into "Meron 2.0."

On the backdrop of the violent protests that took place this weekend on the Temple Mount, and which led to protests throughout Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, police and public figures are approaching Jerusalem Day events with caution.

Israel Police Spokesperson Commander Eli Levi told Army Radio on Sunday morning that all events are still scheduled as planned, but that "if the police identify a rise in the likelihood of innocent bystanders getting hurt as a result of Jews going up to the Temple Mount, we will, of course, reevaluate our plans."

As of Sunday, the route will not change this year, and will proceed through Damascus Gate, Israeli media noted.

On Thursday, Israel Police's Jerusalem District Chief Doron Turgeman begged for the flags parade route, which usually goes through the Old City of Jerusalem, to be rerouted amid the recent rising tensions.

Meretz MK Esawi Frej took to Twitter to express his concerns: "It only takes one match to light a fire. This match could be the approval that the settlers will get to advance with their Flags Parade at Bab al-Amud [Damascus Gate].

The parade route is usually through the Old City via Damascus Gate, into the Muslim quarter and finishing at the Western Wall.
 
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Hebrews 3:16-19
New International Version

16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

Was this generation still considered Israelites?


Luke 19:41-44
New King James Version

41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

Why was Jesus weeping over Jerusalem if Israel was only those who believe? If it was only those who believed then he wouldn't of had the need to cry.

Possibly because Israel as a nation has a broader spectrum than just who believes.
Because they didn't believe and we're therefore broken off.
 

Truth7t7

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#90
Hebrews 3:16-19
New International Version

16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

Was this generation still considered Israelites?


Luke 19:41-44
New King James Version

41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

Why was Jesus weeping over Jerusalem if Israel was only those who believe? If it was only those who believed then he wouldn't of had the need to cry.

Possibly because Israel as a nation has a broader spectrum than just who believes.
God has on covenant with man, the shed blood upon Calvary (It Is Finished)
 
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The Israelis were aware of the potential risk of their actions, and it appears to have started a war

The Israeli police desired to change the route of the parade, and were well aware of the risk of violence, that has escalated into the present war in Israel

Jerusalem Day: Increased calls to alter Flag March route through Old City
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MAY 9, 2021 13:44



Groups of Jewish youth movements wave Israeli flags as they celebrate Jerusalem Day by the Great Synagogue, on King George Street, before taking part in the parade to the Old City. Jerusalem Day celebrates the 47th anniversary of its capture of Arab East Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967.
(photo credit: HADAS PARUSH/FLASH90)

Israel Police is ready to change the plan of events if needed, and Arab Meretz MK Esawi Frej warned of Jerusalem Day turning into "Meron 2.0."

On the backdrop of the violent protests that took place this weekend on the Temple Mount, and which led to protests throughout Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, police and public figures are approaching Jerusalem Day events with caution.

Israel Police Spokesperson Commander Eli Levi told Army Radio on Sunday morning that all events are still scheduled as planned, but that "if the police identify a rise in the likelihood of innocent bystanders getting hurt as a result of Jews going up to the Temple Mount, we will, of course, reevaluate our plans."

As of Sunday, the route will not change this year, and will proceed through Damascus Gate, Israeli media noted.

On Thursday, Israel Police's Jerusalem District Chief Doron Turgeman begged for the flags parade route, which usually goes through the Old City of Jerusalem, to be rerouted amid the recent rising tensions.

Meretz MK Esawi Frej took to Twitter to express his concerns: "It only takes one match to light a fire. This match could be the approval that the settlers will get to advance with their Flags Parade at Bab al-Amud [Damascus Gate].

The parade route is usually through the Old City via Damascus Gate, into the Muslim quarter and finishing at the Western Wall.
True, and evidence that we don't really know what's behind this event. We should not be so ready to buy what ever story we are sold either. Nor the opposition story. This my point about propaganda.
 

Wansvic

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Should the KKK march through black neighborhoods, with capes and hoods celebrating white pride month, expecting no reaction?

The same applied to the protestant (Royal Order of Orange) in Ireland, beating their drums and marching the streets in Catholic Ireland, celebrating their anniversary of King William Boynes victory over Catholics in Ireland
It's always someone else's fault is the mantra of the day. It's not what comes your way, it is how you react that witnesses to the character of a person. The Israeli's have peacefully celebrated their independence in years past. The Palestinians just chose to use this year's celebration as yet another excuse to attack God's people.
 

Truth7t7

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True, and evidence that we don't really know what's behind this event. We should not be so ready to buy what ever story we are sold either. Nor the opposition story. This my point about propaganda.
I agree, but I believe it's a fact that Israelis marched in the Muslim quarters on the 6 day war anniversary, and its apparent it ended up at the Muslim Mosque at the dome of the rock

Is their an pre-planned arterial motive, possibly

Should we always consider the possibility of propaganda in the MSM, absolutely
 

Truth7t7

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It's always someone else's fault is the mantra of the day. It's not what comes your way, it is how you react that witnesses to the character of a person. The Israeli's have peacefully celebrated their independence in years past. The Palestinians just chose to use this year's celebration as yet another excuse to attack God's people.
Gods People?

Romans 2:11KJV
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Jews are not chosen based upon National or Ethnic Heritage, (Dual Covenant Theology) in Christian Zionism is a false teaching

God has no respect of persons, none

There are saved and unsaved in the world, no in between

The shed blood upon Calvary to salvation, or the eternal lake of fire in denial
 
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Gods People?

Romans 2:11KJV
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Jews are not chosen based upon National or Ethnic Heritage, (Dual Covenant Theology) in Christian Zionism is a false teaching[/quote[

So God never made a covenant with Abraham Isaac and Jacob concerning land and peace?

God has no respect of persons, none

There are saved and unsaved in the world, no in between

The shed blood upon Calvary to salvation, or the eternal lake of fire in denial
I agree.

In salvation there is no jew or gentile.

But God never promise any gentile land. Promised them peace if they obey, and destruction if they disobey. And then even after destruction, Promised to restore them if they repented. He did however promise this to the descendents of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as an eternal promise. That promise is still in effect today.
 

Truth7t7

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So you love both God and His enemies?
Paul showed the child of the devil love, with blindness for a season!

Acts 13:6-12KJV
6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.
8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.
9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.
10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.
 

Roughsoul1991

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The Israelis were aware of the potential risk of their actions, and it appears to have started a war

The Israeli police desired to change the route of the parade, and were well aware of the risk of violence, that has escalated into the present war in Israel

Jerusalem Day: Increased calls to alter Flag March route through Old City
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
MAY 9, 2021 13:44



Groups of Jewish youth movements wave Israeli flags as they celebrate Jerusalem Day by the Great Synagogue, on King George Street, before taking part in the parade to the Old City. Jerusalem Day celebrates the 47th anniversary of its capture of Arab East Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967.
(photo credit: HADAS PARUSH/FLASH90)

Israel Police is ready to change the plan of events if needed, and Arab Meretz MK Esawi Frej warned of Jerusalem Day turning into "Meron 2.0."

On the backdrop of the violent protests that took place this weekend on the Temple Mount, and which led to protests throughout Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, police and public figures are approaching Jerusalem Day events with caution.

Israel Police Spokesperson Commander Eli Levi told Army Radio on Sunday morning that all events are still scheduled as planned, but that "if the police identify a rise in the likelihood of innocent bystanders getting hurt as a result of Jews going up to the Temple Mount, we will, of course, reevaluate our plans."

As of Sunday, the route will not change this year, and will proceed through Damascus Gate, Israeli media noted.

On Thursday, Israel Police's Jerusalem District Chief Doron Turgeman begged for the flags parade route, which usually goes through the Old City of Jerusalem, to be rerouted amid the recent rising tensions.

Meretz MK Esawi Frej took to Twitter to express his concerns: "It only takes one match to light a fire. This match could be the approval that the settlers will get to advance with their Flags Parade at Bab al-Amud [Damascus Gate].

The parade route is usually through the Old City via Damascus Gate, into the Muslim quarter and finishing at the Western Wall.
Again so what? Must they tiptoe around and be ashamed for the victory God gave them? Hamas, Palestinians, and Iran are evil for their support of terrorism, Christian/Jewish genocides, human trafficking, etc. I shed no tears when evil starts to meet the results of their behavior.