However, Morning Star is an accurate rendering of the verse in Isaiah, as it is a reference to a Babylonian god referred to as the Day Star, or morning star. Lucifer is, obviously, a Latin word. And Isaiah most certainly was not writing in Latin. Lucifer is how the verse was rendered in a Latin version of the Bible, the Vulgate, I believe--and that was the word the KJV translators used.
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the NIV was created in 1966 with the zip code of 60606. I was a fan of the NIV I found it easy to read, but I refuse to be mislead by any tool used by satan. The error is not in the original documents.. or in the translation.. (it thats what you'd call it.) its no error.. its no mistake.. we are being herded down a path that leads to destruction.. because it "feels" right." Scholars say it, it must be so. Look at the facts, read "New Age Bible Versions" and if anyone has a lack of faith in the accuracy of the ancient scriptures read "the signature of God"
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Isaiah 14:12-17 (King James Version)
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
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Dude, we are talking about facts, not "what feels right," as you say. The word that is translated "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14 could also be translated "morning star" or "light bearer" and it is the same word that is in those New Testament verses you quoted, the ones that mention the "morning star." It's the SAME WORD, but your bible translates Isaiah 14 differently than the others, even though it's the SAME word.
Deadtosin, I don't understand what you're getting bent out of shape about.
Lucifer is a word with a meaning, that meaning happens to be Light-Bringer/Bringer of Light/Light Bearer/Morning Star.
Also, defending Satan? I don't see anything other than sadness at his fall from grace, because he was the first and loved above all others.
Imagine your only son turning trying to kill you, and your only option was to kill him in self defense.
Lucifer is a word with a meaning, that meaning happens to be Light-Bringer/Bringer of Light/Light Bearer/Morning Star.
Also, defending Satan? I don't see anything other than sadness at his fall from grace, because he was the first and loved above all others.
Imagine your only son turning trying to kill you, and your only option was to kill him in self defense.
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"But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. You will be HATED BY ALL because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved." (Mark 13:9-13
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its through small word tangles and twists like that, that the world will use to debunk the bible.. for once they change just a few small KEY words.. they can tear them apart verbally.. such as you are doing with your "knowledge" and through this kind of knowledge and understanding and leniency with each other and our fellow man/sinners it won't be hard to get everyone in agreement for one peaceful world where we all agree and worship the same.. we find some medium ground.. the only problem there is.. that we have chosen the wrong side.. and our enemy is the One TRUE GOD of the heavens.. and the father of our lord and savior Jesus Christ. what was the parable? the wide path that leads to destruction?
You are getting so hung up on the semantics of the issue, that you are losing sight of the point of it all.
Also, I did not call Lucifer the 'only son of God.'
I used it as a metaphor to demonstrate the sadness that God, an emotional being, would have probably felt...considering that Lucifer was supposedly there since the beginning, and then committed the ultimate betrayal.
Also, I did not call Lucifer the 'only son of God.'
I used it as a metaphor to demonstrate the sadness that God, an emotional being, would have probably felt...considering that Lucifer was supposedly there since the beginning, and then committed the ultimate betrayal.
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I think you are imagining a scenario that will not happen. Besides, since when do we get our theology and bible knowledge from "world leaders"?
The truth is that there is debate as to what Isaiah 14 is talking about. Some believe it is Satan, others believe the "morning star" is Babylon. I've even heard some say that the 'morning star' is Israel itself. I think Babylon is probably the best possibility, but in any of these cases Jesus is not an option. To say this passage refers to Jesus would not be in keeping with the New Testament or the hundreds of years of Jewish tradition that preceded the New Testament.
The truth is that there is debate as to what Isaiah 14 is talking about. Some believe it is Satan, others believe the "morning star" is Babylon. I've even heard some say that the 'morning star' is Israel itself. I think Babylon is probably the best possibility, but in any of these cases Jesus is not an option. To say this passage refers to Jesus would not be in keeping with the New Testament or the hundreds of years of Jewish tradition that preceded the New Testament.
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