Temple Mount Awakening: Sukkot 5769/2008

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You are so lost on this one.

2 Thessalonians 2 (King James Version)

2 Thessalonians 2

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,

For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come,

A falling away from what???
It's telling you Christ will not come until there is a falling away of men.


and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom;

Who is the man of sin, and what is sin
Wrong Wrong Wrong the Son of perdition is satan himself. The only one sentenced to perish pre-judgement day.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
Your fake messiah deceiving the world into thinking he is God

so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
He's coming first to fool those that have not received the love of the truth. He will be setting up his kingdom in Jerusalem, he always wanted to be the one to sit on the mercy seat.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

What is the falling away???

7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; NKJV


The falling away is a Falling away from Torah!
WRONG! Not even close.

only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
Even him is omitted in the texts. Tells you once again Christ will come to destroy the fake and all his followers and documents satan will have supernatural abilities.


10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Gods Torah is Truth, and all those who take pleasure in unrighteousness hate the Torah. Just like their father the man of sin/Lawlessness/Torahlessness.
I love the Torah as most Christians do. You are making no sense, and your interpretations are very strange.

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

I am looking for Yeshua not the antiMessiah! This chapter is about those who hate the Torah, and how they will be easily deceived by the one whose coming is after the working of satan, with all power and signs and lying wonders they will trust him; because they have hated Torah.
Easily deceived???? Thats not how Christ described it.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
 
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It's your people that make the unholy union of the Torah with the filthiest writings ever to exist, the Talmud.
 
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Your people???????
 
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1 But in connection with the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah and our gathering together to meet him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be easily shaken in your thinking or anxious because of a spirit or a spoken message or a letter supposedly from us claiming that the Day of the Lord has already come.

in connection with the coming of our Lord Yeshua.

This statment is to let the reader know that the subject of the letter is in connection with the coming of Yeshua the Messiah.

a letter supposedly from us claiming that the Day of the Lord has already come.

Now, some were shaken and anxious because someone or somthing had convinced them that the Day of the Lord had already come.

3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah (The anti Christ) has been revealed, the one destined for doom.

We are reassured that The Day would not come until after a great falling away, and then the revelation of man of sin (the anti Christ).

4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.

5 Don't you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?

Don't you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?

Here again we see reasurance that, you have already been told this.

6 And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. 8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouthd and destroy by the glory of his coming.

And now you know what is restraining

What is being restrained here?

It is the coming of our Lord Yeshua. How?

First there must come a falling away, and the man of sin must be revealed.

A falling away from what?

Who is the man of sin?

First the man of sin.

9 When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders. 10 He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them.

He is the anti Christ.

What is the falling away???

Verse 3.... the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come

What is this Apostasy???

Verse 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly

Their are 2 things in this letter that must happen before Messiah can come.

1. The falling away

2. The man of sin

and the falling away was already at work.

What is the falling???

Verse 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly

11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie. 12 The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.



13 But we have to keep thanking God for you always, brothers whom the Lord loves, because God chose you as firstfruits for deliverance by giving you the holiness that has its origin in the Spirit and the faithfulness that has its origin in the truth. 14 He called you to this through our Good News, so that you could have the glory of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. 15 Therefore, brothers, stand firm; and hold to the traditions you were taught by us, whether we spoke them or wrote them in a letter. 16 And may our Lord Yeshua the Messiah himself and God our Father, who has loved us and by his grace given us eternal comfort and a good hope, 17 comfort your hearts and strengthen you in every good word and deed.
 
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I appreciate that you are doing your best to follow Christ and you don't mix the Torah with the filthy Talmud. It must be impossible for you to accept the atrocities and horrendous practices committed by your people. Don't follow the first fake to come, and I hope everything works out for you. I'm gonna dust my feet off and move on.
 
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If anyone took the time and in earnest study the history of Israel, they will see that Almighty God had a hand on them to bring them into existence yet again, we won't even use the Bible. Far too many things have happened and by any "normal" standards would have turned out differently.
GOD BLESS ISRAEL, for the Lord Himself has kept His promises and has watched over His Word to perform it, THE TIME OF THE AGE IS NOW

Some say Christ has no use for the Temple....so how come He so defended the Temple in His day calling it the House of His Father's?....surely if He replaced what the Temple stood for He would have not had anything to do with it?
In Revelation it speaks of a heavenly sanctuary, but when it gets to the description of the New Jerusalem it says this: "And I saw no sanctuary in it for the Lord God, the Almighty , and the Lamb are its sanctuary." Interestingly, the word for temple (hieron) is never used in the Book of Revelation, only the word for sanctuary (naos). What do you make of this?
 
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The Spirit spoke of a time when there would be sacrifice in the temple, while the Lord Jesus rules from its throne. The same temple from which a river of living water will flow out of, along which banks of this river will trees grow who's leaves will be used for the healing of the nations, and the water of which will give life to the oceans again. This river will flow out from under the throne from which Jesus will rule the world. And the Jews will again practice sacrifice in this temple, with very strict rules to follow. The prophets speak of this plainly.
What is you reference for sacrifices being made at the temple when Jesus rules from "its" throne? Certainly the sacrifices were never efficient for the cleansing of sin. While they may have a purpose as a type, there would be no need for continued sacrifices after the "parousia".
 
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I appreciate that you are doing your best to follow Christ and you don't mix the Torah with the filthy Talmud. It must be impossible for you to accept the atrocities and horrendous practices committed by your people. Don't follow the first fake to come, and I hope everything works out for you. I'm gonna dust my feet off and move on.
Filthy Talmud?
 
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miktre

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Since you asked:
The Babylonian Talmud is the most authoritative source of Jewish legends and traditions concerning Christ. The Talmud is a vast compendium of Pharisaic oral law and tradition, which was written down nearly 1500 years ago. Its teachings, which accurately reflect the beliefs of the ancient Pharisees, are of greater authority to modern religious Jews than the Bible itself. Compare essential points from "The Last Temptation of Christ" with the Talmud.


The Last Temptation



The Talmud

Jesus a Fool, Insane

Mary says to the crowd, "Forgive my son! He's crazy! He doesn't know what he is doing. He has problems. Ever since he was a baby. He's not well in the head."


"He was a fool, and we do not pay attention to what fools do." Sanhedrin 67a (uncensored edition)
Jesus a Sinner, Deceiver

Jesus to Mary as He is being crucified:
"Farewell. Forgive me for being a bad son." Jesus to Mary Magdalene: "I've done a lot of wrong things. I'm going to the desert to be cleansed. The worst things I've done are to you. Forgive me."


Jesus was a "bloody and deceitful" man. Sanhedrin 106b (uncensored edition) He was counted among the "sinners of Israel," one of the three greatest enemies Israel has ever known. Gittin 56b, 57a

Jesus an Apostate

Jesus says to Judas: "No, I don't have any pride. I don't go to synagogue. I disobey the commandments. I work on the Sabbath." Judas: "And who will pay for your sins?" Jesus: "I don't know. I'm struggling."


Jesus "practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy." Sanhedrin 43a
Jesus Immoral, Blasphemous

In a dream Jesus marries Mary Magdalene. Jesus invites his guardian angel to watch as they engage in sex. After Mary Magdalene dies, Jesus moves in with Mary and Martha, sisters of Lazarus, and has children by them.


Jesus was excommunicated for the thought of seducing a woman. In his ensuing grief he fell down and worshipped a brick.
Sanhedrin 106a (uncensored edition)
Jesus not God

"The Last Temptation of Christ" lends credence to the traditional rabbinic view that Christ was not God incarnate. He was not divinely conceived, but was an imposter, a misfit to his people and traditions.


Jesus was born out of wedlock: Mary was descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Sanhedrin 1 06b
Jesus was killed by "...stoning, burning, decapitation, and strangling. . . he met his death at the age of thirty-three. . . he had no portion in the world to come. Sanhedrin 106a-1O.6b
He is now in hell, "punished with boiling hot excrement." Gittin 56b-57a Media Jewish, Liberal
 

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What is you reference for sacrifices being made at the temple when Jesus rules from "its" throne? Certainly the sacrifices were never efficient for the cleansing of sin. While they may have a purpose as a type, there would be no need for continued sacrifices after the "parousia".

Of course the sacrifice of bulls and the blood of animals will not cleanse sin, and as we know, it never did. Only the blood of Christ cleanses sin.

(I do not quote scripture very often, as I believe that my doing so is to use His word's to my own ends. I pray that this does not cause confusion.)

From Ezekiel 39:25 through the end of chapter 47 is the place I reference. We know that His word will not pass away until fulfilled, and this is yet to come. I believe that the fulfillment of this will be by the nation of Israel, and I will not speculate upon why this is so, as His grace keeps me from judgment of other souls, much less and entire people.

I can only think that God will require this of some because of His Holiness needing to be satisfied. I say this only because of the depths of dejection I have know while coming to know His Holiness, as we all must know sooner or late.

We are saved by Grace, and that of faith. Could not grace be our coming to know the absolute and complete HOLINESS of our God, as we come into His presence? And we have this commandment of Him, to seek His throne of Grace, to seek the face of the living God, to enter into the Holiest Place, through the veil, by His blood.

There is a temple in Heaven, which no eye has seen, which even the angels do not go into, where dwells the Father, from which the bowls of wrath will come froth to be poured out upon the world. I find that a temple is where the Spirit of God makes known His presence. If we gather together and the Holy Spirit graces us with His wonderful presence, is not that place a temple for the time He is present? I think that we mistake temples as places where He has been at some time in the past. I see a temple as where He is now. But because our language is limited, buildings are called temples, which are places where He has been, or will be at some future time, or which we think and hope He will enter. The true temple is the one which the Holy Spirit is building right now, the body of Christ, wherein the Spirit dwells.

The temple that will be built upon the mount in Jerusalem will be used by the one who comes after the workings of his father, Satan. It may be the temple which is mentioned by the prophet Ezekiel, I don't know this, only that there will be a temple for the worship of the nation of Israel for a time, which is not yet come.

Much in the prophets is hard to understand, and the Spirit's help is necessary in understanding anything therein. The entire nation of Israel misunderstood the words through the prophets, seeing only as through a glass darkly. I must be careful not to make the same mistake, and yet still I know that my understanding is faulty.

in His peace.
 
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Of course the sacrifice of bulls and the blood of animals will not cleanse sin, and as we know, it never did. Only the blood of Christ cleanses sin.

(I do not quote scripture very often, as I believe that my doing so is to use His word's to my own ends. I pray that this does not cause confusion.)

From Ezekiel 39:25 through the end of chapter 47 is the place I reference. We know that His word will not pass away until fulfilled, and this is yet to come. I believe that the fulfillment of this will be by the nation of Israel, and I will not speculate upon why this is so, as His grace keeps me from judgment of other souls, much less and entire people.

I can only think that God will require this of some because of His Holiness needing to be satisfied. I say this only because of the depths of dejection I have know while coming to know His Holiness, as we all must know sooner or late.

We are saved by Grace, and that of faith. Could not grace be our coming to know the absolute and complete HOLINESS of our God, as we come into His presence? And we have this commandment of Him, to seek His throne of Grace, to seek the face of the living God, to enter into the Holiest Place, through the veil, by His blood.

There is a temple in Heaven, which no eye has seen, which even the angels do not go into, where dwells the Father, from which the bowls of wrath will come froth to be poured out upon the world. I find that a temple is where the Spirit of God makes known His presence. If we gather together and the Holy Spirit graces us with His wonderful presence, is not that place a temple for the time He is present? I think that we mistake temples as places where He has been at some time in the past. I see a temple as where He is now. But because our language is limited, buildings are called temples, which are places where He has been, or will be at some future time, or which we think and hope He will enter. The true temple is the one which the Holy Spirit is building right now, the body of Christ, wherein the Spirit dwells.

The temple that will be built upon the mount in Jerusalem will be used by the one who comes after the workings of his father, Satan. It may be the temple which is mentioned by the prophet Ezekiel, I don't know this, only that there will be a temple for the worship of the nation of Israel for a time, which is not yet come.

Much in the prophets is hard to understand, and the Spirit's help is necessary in understanding anything therein. The entire nation of Israel misunderstood the words through the prophets, seeing only as through a glass darkly. I must be careful not to make the same mistake, and yet still I know that my understanding is faulty.

in His peace.
I appreciate your concern about my ability to interpret prophecy. I see where you get your excatology of this matter. I am not sure that I agree. the only purpose I could see is as a continued reference, perhaps sort of a reverse type, coming after the fulfillment.
 

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I appreciate your concern about my ability to interpret prophecy. I see where you get your excatology of this matter. I am not sure that I agree. the only purpose I could see is as a continued reference, perhaps sort of a reverse type, coming after the fulfillment.
Your ability to interpret prophecy does not concern me. My only concern for anyone who is in Christ is that they know more fully the love of God, that they know the fellowship of the Spirit by which we have our seal unto the Father, and that we learn to be the body and bride of Christ, now, in this life.

Much about the prophets is difficult to understand, and many references are made about what people we cannot be sure without the Holy Spirit showing us. And as the Holy Spirit is unique and individual for each of us even as we are unique, so the prophet's message is unique for each one's life.

And so I do not belabor one's interpretation of prophecy. I seek to bring oneness in Christ, by focusing on the things which are truly important, how we fulfill His commandment to love one another even as He has loved us.
 

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I appreciate your concern about my ability to interpret prophecy. I see where you get your excatology of this matter. I am not sure that I agree. the only purpose I could see is as a continued reference, perhaps sort of a reverse type, coming after the fulfillment.
I need to add that I am concerned about my ability to interpret prophecy. My comments about it being hard to understand are about and for me. It is my way of saying that the things I write are my own thoughts, and as such are subject to being totally wrong, only I do think that I hear the Spirit, just not very well.
 
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I need to add that I am concerned about my ability to interpret prophecy. My comments about it being hard to understand are about and for me. It is my way of saying that the things I write are my own thoughts, and as such are subject to being totally wrong, only I do think that I hear the Spirit, just not very well.
I took no offense. It would be common advice to give. God bless you.
 
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