Ten Commandments

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Wevcles

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For us Christian valid the 10 Commandments still ever. Every Commandment is valid!
Right?
 

mailmandan

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The moral precepts of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

More exhaustive list:

Matthew 2:2; 2:8; 2:11; 4:9; 4:10; 14:33; 15:9; 28:9; 28:17, Mark 7:7, Luke 4:7; 4:8; 24:52, John 4:20,21,22,23,24; 9:38; 12:20, Acts 7:43; 8:27; 16:14; 17:23; 18:7; 18:13; 19:27; 24:11, Romans 1:25; 12:1, 1 Corinthians 14:25, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 1:6; 9:1; 9:6; 10:2; 11:21, Revelation 4:10; 5:14; 7:11; 9:20; 11:1; 11:16; 14:7; 15:4; 19:4; 19:10; 22:8; 22:9

Acts 15:20,29, Romans 1:25, 1 Corinthians 6:9; Chapter 8; 10:7,14; 12:2, 2 Corinthians 6:16, 1 Thessalonians 1:9, Galatians 5:20, Ephesians 5:5, Colossians 3:5, 1 Peter 4:3, 1 John 5:21, Revelation 2:14, 20; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15

Matthew 12:36, Ephesians 5:4, Romans 2:24, Revelation 16:9

Matthew 15:5, Matthew 19:19, Mark 7:10; 10:19, Luke 18:20, Ephesians 6:2

Matthew 5:21; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 1:29; 13:9, James 2:11

Matthew 5:27,28,32; 19:9,18, Mark 10:11,19, Luke 16:18; 18:20, Romans 13:9, James 2:11, 2 Peter 2:14

Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 2:21; 13:9, Ephesians 4:28

Matthew 15:9; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20

Mark 7:22, Luke 12:15, Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9, Ephesians 5:3, Colossians 3:5, Hebrews 13:5, 2 Peter 2:14

I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.

Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
 

Noose

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All commandments are based on one command; to LOVE.
Obeying the 10 commandments would dependent on your love for God or love for other human beings. Out of the 2, love for God is the greatest, but how do we love God? by loving others- so all commandments is compressed into one command; Love thy neighbor as you love yourself.
If you love all people, you have fulfilled all commandments.
 

mailmandan

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All commandments are based on one command; to LOVE.
Obeying the 10 commandments would dependent on your love for God or love for other human beings. Out of the 2, love for God is the greatest, but how do we love God? by loving others- so all commandments is compressed into one command; Love thy neighbor as you love yourself.
If you love all people, you have fulfilled all commandments.
Since the entire old covenant is obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. He did away with the old covenant to "put legally into place" the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

The life of discipleship flows out of the New Command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
 

oldethennew

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as for me and my house,

we've chosen to walk the pathway that Jesus and all those who Love Him
were/are taught and shown to do...
 

Noose

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Since the entire old covenant is obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. He did away with the old covenant to "put legally into place" the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

The life of discipleship flows out of the New Command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
Even sabbath was about Love:
Exodus 23:12
For six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you must cease, so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your maidservant may be refreshed, as well as the foreign resident.
 

Wevcles

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It is two things, which from paradise here still: The Marriage and the Sabbath.
 

mailmandan

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Even sabbath was about Love:
Exodus 23:12 For six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you must cease, so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your maidservant may be refreshed, as well as the foreign resident.
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

*Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
 

Grandpa

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as for me and my house,

we've chosen to walk the pathway that Jesus and all those who Love Him
were/are taught and shown to do...
You must mean to Rest in His Finished Work?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Or did you mean work at the law?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Seems like a pretty easy choice. If there really was a such thing as "free" will I wonder why more people wouldn't make that choice?
 

Wevcles

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It is interessting you make much thoughts about the Topic from Sabbath.
I want stay at the word from God.
Of the 7th day put the Bless from God.
Our Lord has set the seventh day as a day of rest.
Jesus has dont abolish the Sabbathday, He self held him. We shall Jesus Example follow.
 

Dino246

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It is interessting you make much thoughts about the Topic from Sabbath.
I want stay at the word from God.
Of the 7th day put the Bless from God.
Our Lord has set the seventh day as a day of rest.
Jesus has dont abolish the Sabbathday, He self held him. We shall Jesus Example follow.
Jesus is the example you follow. So, I'll need wine for an upcoming wedding... I'll send you a hundred gallons of water, you turn it into wine and ship it back. Make a little spit and heal the blind folks. Walk on water. Die on a cross. Rise again on the third day.

When you pause to rethink your position, you may have room to consider what Paul wrote to the Galatians.
 

OneFaith

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For us Christian valid the 10 Commandments still ever. Every Commandment is valid!
Right?
God's laws will never change or cease to be in effect. HOWEVER, what was nailed to the cross (forevermore amen) was obeying those laws physically like they did under the authority of Moses. But now we are under the authority of Jesus and we obey God's same laws, but we now obey them spiritually. You could not murder in the old testament and you cannot murder in the new testament- God's law not to murder still stands and must be obeyed. But to obey it spiritually instead of physically means not to hate your brother in the first place. Jesus says if you hate your brother you are already guilty of murder.

Under Moses you physically took adulterers outside the city and stoned them to death. Under Christ you spiritually get a sinner to repent, to die to their sin and commit it no longer. In this way, just as David physically killed his tens of thousands in physical war, we spiritually kill our tens of thousands in spiritual war. So this is why we no longer do the physical things under Moses- like pay for certain things with certain animals instead of money, or have a physical high priest sacrifice on behalf of our sins- Christ is our spiritual high preist and our perfect lamb sacrifice.

The bible says that if you obey a law that you must obey all of that law. So if you obey the law of Moses today, you have to do all of it. (Good luck finding a 2000 year old high priest to sacrifice on behalf of your sins).

The bible also says that you cannot be under Moses and under Christ at the same time- that would be committing religious adultery. (Romans 7:1-4).
 

Deade

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Since the entire old covenant is obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction?
No wonder you are so misdirected, you have discarded the entire Old Testament.
2Tim. 3:16
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,"

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
We do not expect keeping the Sabbath as a tenet for salvation. We worship God in Spirit and truth (see John 4:24).

The bible says that if you obey a law that you must obey all of that law. So if you obey the law of Moses today, you have to do all of it. (Good luck finding a 2000 year old high priest to sacrifice on behalf of your sins).

The bible also says that you cannot be under Moses and under Christ at the same time- that would be committing religious adultery. (Romans 7:1-4).
See the above statements.

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Deade

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Jesus is the example you follow. So, I'll need wine for an upcoming wedding... I'll send you a hundred gallons of water, you turn it into wine and ship it back. Make a little spit and heal the blind folks. Walk on water. Die on a cross. Rise again on the third day.

When you pause to rethink your position, you may have room to consider what Paul wrote to the Galatians.
Dino, this seems a little cynical for you. Surely you know what he meant about following Jesus' example. You don't do the same? :confused:
 

garee

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For us Christian valid the 10 Commandments still ever. Every Commandment is valid!
Right?
The scripture use ten, in multiples, hundred and thousand as a metaphor to represent the whole. Ten represents the whole law.
 
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All the law and the prophets are summed up In one word, love
But GOD will only accept perfection, so then how would man love perfectly?

JESUS fulfilled the law

The Issue now Is faith
In the WORD of GOD.
 

Nehemiah6

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For us Christian valid the 10 Commandments still ever. Every Commandment is valid!
Right?
Yes every commandment is valid, and every commandment is now incorporated into the Law of Christ.

The Ten Commandments are God's eternal moral and spiritual laws which apply to all humanity. They are within the conscience of all human beings, and they are also written on the hearts and mind of children of God by the Holy Spirit.

At the same time they condemn all humanity as being guilty before God, and are meant to drive sinners to the Savior, since no man can keep them perfectly.
 

Dino246

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Dino, this seems a little cynical for you. Surely you know what he meant about following Jesus' example. You don't do the same? :confused:
The post to which I was responding was asserting that because Jesus followed the Sabbath, we must do so as well. I was simply pointing out that we don't follow everything Jesus did... so we should not simply take something that we seem able to do and follow it. Though Jesus is the Author of the Law, He submitted Himself to it so that He could fulfill it... as in, make it complete, done, paid in full. A right understanding of the old and new covenants (and the distinction between them!), will enable us to follow Jesus in the right way.

And yes, I can come across as cynical at times. Sometimes it is effective in shaking up people's erroneous thinking.
 

garee

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Jesus is the example you follow. So, I'll need wine for an upcoming wedding... I'll send you a hundred gallons of water, you turn it into wine and ship it back. Make a little spit and heal the blind folks. Walk on water. Die on a cross. Rise again on the third day.

When you pause to rethink your position, you may have room to consider what Paul wrote to the Galatians.
What did God write to the Galatians?