Ten Ways to Fall for the "Saved by Grace, Perfected by the Flesh" Trap!

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ladylynn

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Hey thanks for showing me his twitter page. I don't use twitter at all but you made me curious about it. I was right. It is full of pictures. Lot's of good stuff on there....but the funny "Wanted" picture is NOT Paul Ellis.

He may have that picture somewhere on there but it is not him. I'm pretty sure it's that Crowder guy.

Here is one that is on there now. This is NOT Paul Ellis either.




https://twitter.com/paul_ellis



Maybe it's Paul Ellis when he grows his hair longer., shaves his beard, gains some weight and wears a medieval outfit??
 

Chester

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I think it's not quite as simple as that...
A lot of people trust Him for their salvation but then get it a little messed up for a while, just like the Galatians did, by thinking they then have to make themselves holy somehow. And they have to find out the hard way that they can't. That there is something in them that makes them do what with all their heart they don't want to do. I used to murder everyone I came in contact with. I am not exaggerating the point. I was constantly angry at their demands of what I do for them but then when I needed help, they were so selfish and there was no help to be found. If anyone didn't rinse off their plate and the food and cheese was caked on the next morning, I would scrub and murder, scrub and murder, rinse and repeat. And when I saw I had failed, despite my best efforts and had murdered again, I would fall into depression at being how I didn't want to be. And when I would cycle up out of my depression, I would resolve to try harder. And then the cycle began again, always ending in my failure to be holy in my heart. I was allowed to go on this way for years until one day I said, I give up. I cannot do it. If it's to be done, you have to do it Lord, please have mercy on me! And I very quickly began to have great victory over my murdering in spirit.

So what I'm trying to say is...it is possible to have trust in Him in one area but rely on your own strength in another. It is possible to firmly believe some of what He said and promised and to be in some mistrust and unbelief in some other thing He promised. We grow in our trust (faith). It's a race of trust and the more that trust is excersized through trials of trust, the stronger it grows.

Thanks for sharing your story and journey! To me, it is obvious from your story, that though you struggled (deeply) in some areas, at a deeper reality you were wanting God and were "believing".
 

Chester

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I agree with you. That is the message I get.

And any believer who believes that salvation can be lost............has lost THE faith. Doesn't mean they lost salvation.
More confusion?? I thought at first you were saying that I was going to hell (because I do not believe in OSAS). What do you mean that (I) have lost THE faith????
 

Grandpa

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Maybe it's Paul Ellis when he grows his hair longer., shaves his beard, gains some weight and wears a medieval outfit??
Good point. It could be a disguise.
 
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Gr8grace

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More confusion?? I thought at first you were saying that I was going to hell (because I do not believe in OSAS). What do you mean that (I) have lost THE faith????
There is no loss of salvation in THE faith. The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we have eternal life.

Only another spirit will testify to our spirit that we might lose eternal life.

But a believer, who is deceived into thinking that salvation/eternal is really not eternal Is safe.................because HE remains faithful.
 

wattie

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There is no loss of salvation in THE faith. The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we have eternal life.

Only another spirit will testify to our spirit that we might lose eternal life.

But a believer, who is deceived into thinking that salvation/eternal is really not eternal Is safe.................because HE remains faithful.
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There is the faith that gets someone saved... initial salvation.. eternal salvation given.

Then there is THE faith.. which is service in a biblical church.. continual prayer to Jesus.. sharing your faith.. having fellowship with church members, bible study, quiet times etc..

Galatians 3 in the KJV.. has members of churches in Galatia... being justified by THE faith OF Christ..

This is not talking about receiving eternal life! This is about whether the service the Galatian believers are giving God is right in His eyes.

Like Abraham being justified when he offered up his son Isaac.. this is not about eternal salvation.. but a right act in God's eyes.