The Abomination of Desolation

[john832]

Haven't seem much lately here about this, what is it? When will it be and what does it mean?

 

[prodigaldaughter]

I want to know the same thing I have asked this question out there. O Lord let there be one of Your people be filled with this answer so we can understand. In Jesus name I pray Amen!

 

[john832]

It seemed pretty important to Christ...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 

[starfield]

The abomination of desolation has been fulfilled.

 

[Oak]

Nothing more than contrived fear and confusion into the hearts of people.

Nobody can understand any of it.

 

[doulos]

The dome of the rock is the abomination that makes desolate. Therapon wrote an excellent post on this subject quite some time ago. For your convenience it is quoted below.

Back in 1978, I was asked to teach a seminar on Daniel & Revelation. While doing so, the thought crossed my mind, “What if the 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12 are not the first or last half of the great tribulation, and what if Dan 9:27 isn’t about a seven-year tribulation.”

While in Bible college (class of ‘54), I’d studied all the usual explanations about the 69 weeks of Daniel 9:24-26 (from the decree of Artaxerxes I to the cross), but the way most theologians explained them, you had to fudge the numbers to make them fit recorded history. Then I remembered from the book of Jubilees found at Qumran, that for religious reasons, Old Testament Jews used a somewhat complicated 19 year calender, each year of which had only 360 days. Since Daniel was an Old Testament book, it occurred to me that the Lord may have used a calendar with which Daniel was familiar for the 69 weeks, a year of 360 days, so I tried it.

Bingo, it was exactly 483 Hebrew (476 solar) years from the decree of Artaxerxes 1 (444BC-445BC) to the cross! (32-34AD).

So we could now prove those 69 weeks were not weeks of days, but weeks of years. Then I remembered that the prophet Ezekiel (who lived at the same time as Daniel) had already written that prophetic days should be understood as years . . .

Ezekiel 4:5-6 “For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. “

Maybe prophetic days elsewhere in Scripture should also be understood as years. I then asked myself, “If the 69 weeks aren’t literal 24 hour days, maybe the 1290 and 1335 days of Dan 12:11-12 aren’t literal days either. We don’t have the authority to arbitrarily decide that days in Dan 12 are literal do we, particularly if they aren’t literal in Dan 9. Hadn’t God had just proven a day for a year in Dan 9:27? I looked at Dan 12:11 again with that idea in mind:

Daniel 12:11 "And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.”

Years possibly, but to which abolition of temple sacrifices might God be referring? I just had to try for a fit.

Historically, sacrifices were abolished four times. Once before Daniel, once during Daniel’s lifetime, then in 168 B.C. by Antiochus epiphanies, and in 70 A.D. when Titus the Roman sacked Jerusalem. Since sacrifices were indeed abolished during Daniel’s time, wasn’t it reasonable to conclude that the Lord was telling Daniel about an abolition of sacrifices he knew all about, an event to which Daniel could relate?

The temple was destroyed in 586 B.C. + 1290 Hebrew (1271.5 solar) years = 685.5 A.D.. That’s when the Muslim Califah Abd el Malik Ibn Marwan started clearing the temple mount. But the construction of the Islamic Dome of the Rock didn’t begin for another three years, so I thought there ought to be a better fit.

I went back to Scripture. In Jeremiah 41:5 we find that temple sacrifices continued AFTER the temple was burned, so when were they abolished? In Jeremiah 52:30 we find that Nebuzaradan, Captain of Nebuchadnezzar’s guard, took the final captivity back to Babylon three years AFTER the temple was destroyed, in the 23rd year of Nebuchadnezzar, 583 B.C..

Bingo! 583 B.C. + 1290 Hebrew (1271.5 solar) years = 688.5 A.D., and that, my friends, is the exact year when the Muslims started to build a memorial to Muhammad, The Dome of the Rock, on the temple mount of God Most Holy.

And what did the Bible call it? “The Abomination that maketh desolate!”

For those interested in a hermeneutically sound study of the Scriptures providing a more detailed indepth study on the subject please read the FREE online book The False Prophet

May God bless your studies!

 

[john832]

Nothing more than contrived fear and confusion into the hearts of people.

Nobody can understand any of it.

Christ said something much different...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 

[posthuman]

The abomination of desolation has been fulfilled.

do you mean in 70 AD?

From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
(Daniel 12:11)

anything happen in 73.5 AD?

in 691 AD (when the dome of the rock was built on the temple mount)?

anything happen in 694 AD we should know about?

surely not in 168 B.C. when Antiochus desecrated the temple and put up a statue of Zeus in it? why then would the Lord Jesus have mentioned looking for it in the future? but indeed, in 165 B.C. the temple was restored -- this then was a type & not the full meaning of the prophecy.

when was the great tribulation "such as was not from the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor shall ever be" ?

we already past it? Christ also already returned?

no, i don't think God is finished yet. we have seen types but we haven't seen the full fulfillment.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Haven't seem much lately here about this, what is it? When will it be and what does it mean?

The reason no one can understand these verses is the monks quickly turned and scrambled them into nothing ness....
WHY?
becaus!

because it says this
in a almondshell:
(The country of Rome is coming to destroy the ten commandment keeping faith of God into a false destroying commandment breaking idol worshipping desolating religion and wil take the world by storm and destry many for 1260 years. But those who remain faithful to the commandments of God and not worship idols will be saved!

now, any good roman monk will screw that one up until their heads dont get chopped off wouldnt you think?

read the explanation below.




ALWAYS READ THE VERSES BEFORE
and
THE VERSES AFTER
and search for verses lik it:
so

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

and

Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.


now you already see it?


let me highlight it

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

and

Dan 11:30 and have indignation against the holy 10 commandments: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the 10 commandments shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

ok so now we KNOW that the demons have covered up the truth since it is an importnat text

so to overcome the coverup we will look up the WORDS

ok?
nothing illegal about that right?
get your FREE BIBLE
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Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, (examined and cleansed from sin)
and made white, (made into bricks) (for the temple, remember? stones for new Jerusalem?)
and tried; (PURGED from sin)
but the wicked (10 commandment breakers)
shall do wickedly: (keep breaking the ten commandments)
and none of the wicked (commandment breakers)
shall understand; (teach others wisely)
but the wise (skillful studious)
shall understand. (teach correctly)


Dan 12:11 And from the time (that supplied word by pagan monks)
the daily (daily personal worship to God each morning)
(sacrifice wrong word added by monks who didnt know better, not in original)
shall be taken away, (rebelled on)
and the abomination (idolaters) (trusting in priests)
that maketh supplied word
desolates (destroys you)(takes away your personal relationship with God)
set up, (considered and followed)

there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 1290 years AD 321 to ad 1798 when the papa was put in jail by Berthier the French general. Hurrah!
(1290 years) and (1290 days)
Dan 12:12
Blessed is he that waiteth, (ADHERES TO)
and cometh (reaches to)
to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.


and

Dan 11:30
For the ships
of Chittim (ROME!)
shall come against him:
Sand have indignation (ANGER AGAINST)
against the holy 10 commandments:
so shall he do;
he shall even return,
and have intelligence ( a cunning plot)
with them
that forsake the holy 10 commandments).
Dan 11:31
And arms (mighty forces - demons)
shall stand (join with him)
on his part,
and they shall pollute (prostitute and profane)
the sanctuary (the consecrated ones)
of strength, (fortified ones)
and shall
take away (remove the trust in)
the daily (cintinual worship and trust in God)
sacrifice, wrong word supplied by monks who didnt study
and they shall place (appoint, set up instead)
the abomination (IDOL WORSHIP)
that maketh
desolate. (destroys you


Dan 11:32
And such as do wickedly (break the commandments)
against the 10 commandments
shall he corrupt by flatteries: (once saved always saved, dude!)
but the people
that do know their God
shall be strong,
and do (the ten commandments!)
(exploits. Romanmonk supplied word to throw you off)









k
he shall even return,
and have intelligence
with them
that forsake
the holy 10 commandments

ok we knoe it is about those who FORSKAKE the 10 commandments in the last days
.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Now, arent you just
ITCHING
to get your FREE BIBLE
so you canSTUDY like that?
Any child can do it

look up every word
and the truth comes out!

sweet
Again, go to
theword.net
download Bible
click on each word
destroy large corrupt pagan doctrines every day.
wonderful

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Now THAT
is BIBLE STUDY!
Do it!

Notice the Big churches and the Revelation seminars and the Daniel studies
NEVER seem to get what it means....

always searching......
never coming to the truth......

leading silly women into giveing them all their money....

now you know why

They most CERTAINLY DO know what it means!
They most certainly do! I maen a five year old can figure it out

but they....just....cant....quite....say it

I wonder why?

 

[doulos]

in 691 AD (when the dome of the rock was built on the temple mount)?

Construction on the dome of the rock started in 688AD as demonstrated by this SEARCH

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Nothing to do with it.
Nothing at all.
Read the Bible

 

[Oak]

problem is, nobody actually can understand it! If it was clear we wouldn't be making hypothetical conclusions as to how a book sees into the future when it is an inanimate object.

Christ said something much different...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 

[doulos]

Now, arent you just
ITCHING
to get your FREE BIBLE
so you canSTUDY like that?
Any child can do it

look up every word
and the truth comes out!

sweet
Again, go to
theword.net
download Bible
click on each word
destroy large corrupt pagan doctrines every day.
wonderful

Arnold Murray uses that same methodology and he promotes nothing but fallacy with his scripturally bankrupt serpent seed doctrine. While it is true that translators aren't always perfect in most cases they have done a better job translating then most lay people who have no working knowledge of Hebrew or Koine Greek. As you are led friend, as you are led!

 

[posthuman]

Now, arent you just
ITCHING
to get your FREE BIBLE

not if it puts a bunch of distracting parenthetical comments after every word in the scripture, no, i'm not.
it's pretty confusing to try to understand, and i feel like i'm reading someone's twisted revisions instead of the Word itself.

honestly.

i'd like an interlinear with a Greek & Hebrew concordance, myself.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

A child can understand it if you read it

Jesus said you must bcome lke a child
or you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Children arent loyal to support error despite it being error
they tell it like it is

Have to become a child.
no conjecture just read it

an 11:30
For the ships
of Chittim (ROME!)
shall come against him:
Sand have indignation (ANGER AGAINST)
against the holy 10 commandments:
so shall he do;
he shall even return,
and have intelligence ( a cunning plot)
with them
that forsake the holy 10 commandments).
Dan 11:31
And arms (mighty forces - demons)
shall stand (join with him)
on his part,
and they shall pollute (prostitute and profane)
the sanctuary (the consecrated ones)
of strength, (fortified ones)
and shall
take away (remove the trust in)
the daily (cintinual worship and trust in God)
sacrifice, wrong word supplied by monks who didnt study
and they shall place (appoint, set up instead)
the abomination (IDOL WORSHIP)
that maketh
desolate. (destroys you
simple

look up the words
they are in YOUR Bible

yours

read it
simple

 

[john832]

do you mean in 70 AD?

From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
(Daniel 12:11)

anything happen in 73.5 AD?

in 691 AD (when the dome of the rock was built on the temple mount)?

anything happen in 694 AD we should know about?

surely not in 168 B.C. when Antiochus desecrated the temple and put up a statue of Zeus in it? why then would the Lord Jesus have mentioned looking for it in the future? but indeed, in 165 B.C. the temple was restored -- this then was a type & not the full meaning of the prophecy.

when was the great tribulation "such as was not from the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor shall ever be" ?

we already past it? Christ also already returned?

no, i don't think God is finished yet. we have seen types but we haven't seen the full fulfillment.

Excellent Posthuman, was 70AD worse than the Simon bar Kochba rebellion? Nope. Was it worse than the death camps of Hitler? No way. Was it worse than the pogram of Stalin? Not by a long shot.

Preterism ignores history.

 

[doulos]

problem is, nobody actually can understand it! If it was clear we wouldn't be making hypothetical conclusions as to how a book sees into the future when it is an inanimate object.

"Those things of God which are now dark and obscure will hereafter be made clear, and easy to be understood. Truth is the daughter of time. Scripture prophecies will be expounded by the accomplishment of them; therefore they are given, and for that explication they are reserved. Therefore they are told us before, that, when they do come to pass, we may believe." Matthew Henry

"The folly of interpreters has been to foretell times and things by this prophecy [Revelation], as if God designed to make them prophets. By this rashness they have not only exposed themselves, but brought the prophecy also into contempt. The design of God was much otherwise. He gave this and the prophecies of the Old Testament, not to gratify men's curiosities by enabling them to foreknow things, but that after they were fulfilled they might be interpreted by the event, and his own providence, not the interpreters', be then manifested thereby to the world. For the event of things predicted many ages before will then be a convincing argument that the world is governed by Providence." - Sir Isaac Newton

The problem is people have used prophecy improperly in a poor attempt to play prophet, instead of watching history to try and find where the prophetic Scriptures have been fulfilled.

 

[doulos]

not if it puts a bunch of distracting parenthetical comments after every word in the scripture, no, i'm not.
it's pretty confusing to try to understand, and i feel like i'm reading someone's twisted revisions instead of the Word itself.

honestly.

i'd like an interlinear with a Greek & Hebrew concordance, myself.

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