The Believers and The Bride of Christ...The Navy and The Navy Seals...

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I've enjoyed all your comments and everyone is free to believe according to their faith so, no need to be upset.

I just often ponder and ask the Lord a lot of questions during the day..............

Why did Yeshua/Jesus on rare secret healings and mt. of transfiguration only take with Him Peter, James and John. There were 12 disciples yet, He would only take those same three.

In the Song of Solomon, the Shulamite searches for her Beloved and speaks to the virgins and daughters of Jerusalem - virgins and daughters of Jerusalem are clean and holy yet, they are not the Shulamite.

All believers are called into the Kingdom of God but, I do not believe that all are the Bride of Christ. In the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, not all those in attendance are the Bride but, all have been called to the Supper, to the celebration.

Yeshua/Jesus spoke a parable......

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
22 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

When Yeshua/Jesus told this parable, I believe He was speaking of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb that His Father was preparing for His Son. Notice in the parable there are guests that are given a wedding garment to wear to the marriage but, they are not the bride.

The Marriage of the Lamb is discussed in Revelation 19.

Revelation 19:7-9 King James Version (KJV)
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

If all believers are saved by grace, why does Yeshua/Jesus in the seven letters of Revelation Ch. 2 and 3 speak to us about doing works to overcome and receive special rewards and if we don't overcome there is a consequence?

We know that we are saved by grace. I do not believe that any true believer loses their salvation. Why do those letters mandate that we overcome?

These 7 letters are calling the Bride. The Bridegroom is calling for His Bride....... The Bride will hear the voice of her Beloved.......... and make haste! :love:(y)

No one is more special than the other.......I'm simply saying that if when you read the 7 letters and you hear what the Spirit is saying, do it! :D(y)
Those who have departed from the faith:

To depart from the faith means that a person had once been in the faith. Brother Swaggart says when we speak of faith at the ministry, we're speaking of faith in the Cross of the Lord Jesus Christ. When people leave the Cross and turn to other things, which millions are now doing, the Scripture says of them: "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1).

Needless to say, such individuals, as with the lukewarm and as with those who have a form of godliness, are labeled by the Lord as unsaved, despite their claims, and will not go in the rapture nor enter the strait gate and narrow way that leads unto life.

Many are proclaiming Christ, but forsaking the Cross (lukewarm). This is also called "spiritual adultery (Rom. 7:1-4)."

JSM
 
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Holy Spirit spoke this to her. I don't doubt this one bit.
Not saying I agree or disagree with her, but.....MANY people all the time say, repeat or spread things they THINK GOD's SPIRIT has spoken to them and it was NO more from GOD than the channel 5 news at 6 was.....just saying.....
 
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I served in the US Army with the 101st Airborne Division and that was no picnic either. For sure though, the Navy Seals are an elite fighting force.
As you know, I did my time as a Marine in the 80's.....that was no cake walk HAHAHHAH
 

MattforJesus

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Who is 'thee' in this passage?

Believers?
It is speaking of Babylon in Revelation 18, and is a future event.

And it also states that in her was found all the slain upon earth, so it cannot be the saints, and not even the hypocrites.

For the truth is a person either belongs to Babylon, the kingdom of man, or the kingdom of God, so Babylon represents all the wicked throughout history.

And Babylon has not fallen yet, for her ways are still on earth, for she represents the kingdom of man, the occult, and human religion, which is what the beast kingdom is about.

She will never have physical dominion again, but her ways were prolonged for a time and a season, human religion, along with Medo-Persia, physical cruelty, Greece, human wisdom, the Roman Empire, pushing for power, dominion.

For all 4 kingdoms have not fallen yet, for their ways are still on earth, and they do not fall until Jesus hits the image of a man on the toes then they all fall.

So Babylon has not fallen yet until Jesus puts down the world, and that is why the beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon, which is in spirit, not physical dominion.
 

Lafftur

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Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

This is not the only one.

And then....the Spirit and the Bride say come.
Who is 'thee' in this passage?

Believers?
It is speaking of Babylon in Revelation 18, and is a future event.

And it also states that in her was found all the slain upon earth, so it cannot be the saints, and not even the hypocrites.

For the truth is a person either belongs to Babylon, the kingdom of man, or the kingdom of God, so Babylon represents all the wicked throughout history.

And Babylon has not fallen yet, for her ways are still on earth, for she represents the kingdom of man, the occult, and human religion, which is what the beast kingdom is about.

She will never have physical dominion again, but her ways were prolonged for a time and a season, human religion, along with Medo-Persia, physical cruelty, Greece, human wisdom, the Roman Empire, pushing for power, dominion.

For all 4 kingdoms have not fallen yet, for their ways are still on earth, and they do not fall until Jesus hits the image of a man on the toes then they all fall.

So Babylon has not fallen yet until Jesus puts down the world, and that is why the beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon, which is in spirit, not physical dominion.
”Thee” is the world which is like Babylon - just as MattforJesus said.

Yeshua/Jesus we know is the Light of the world, Believers are the candles that carry the Light - Yeshua/Jesus lights our candles and the voice of the Bridegroom and the Bride can be heard preaching the Kingdom of God and the Gospel message of forgiveness and salvation through the body and blood of Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

However, Rev. 18:23 speaks of the hour of darkness ruling when the lit candles are no more and the voice of the Bridegroom and the Bride are heard no more....

Darkness rules for 1 hour... kinda like at the end of the 1,000 years when Satan is loosed for a season.

The Father allows darkness to rule for a very short time right before Sonrise - Light splits the Eastern sky!!!! Hallelujah! Behold He comes!!! :love:(y)
 

Lanolin

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Can you explain what a navy seal is.

Arent we all sealed with the name of God on our foreheads or is that only the 144,000 of the tribes of Israel. Are you saying its the church and Israel? Some believe they are separate and some believe they are the same.
 

stonesoffire

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so who are the Spirit and the bride talking to, saying "come" ?

is this the 'super-special-forces-saved' talking to the 'ordinary grunt' saved?

or is it 'not only me, but all those who love His appearing' saying this as we are 'looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day' ?
If you can explain 100 fold then I think we would know what the navy seals are all about. And the Bride. The Bride by the way, comes from His side. Adam-Eve.
 

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If you can explain 100 fold then I think we would know what the navy seals are all about. And the Bride. The Bride by the way, comes from His side. Adam-Eve.
For richer or for poorer, better or worse, in sickness and in health.

I don't think it's right to say that some of the saved are part of the bride and some aren't; everyone in His navy is in His navy, though we have various functions within it. An intelligence officer doesn't go through the same amount of physically strenuous training as a seal, but without good data the seals skills are useless.
One body, many parts, yes? Some aspects of one's spouse are 'easy to love' and some are not so much, but an husband - ours, The Good One - gives Himself for the whole woman; 100 is greater than 1 but both are greater than zero
 

stonesoffire

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Not saying I agree or disagree with her, but.....MANY people all the time say, repeat or spread things they THINK GOD's SPIRIT has spoken to them and it was NO more from GOD than the channel 5 news at 6 was.....just saying.....
There's no doubt to the hearer when it comes from the middle of our being. The mind is another matter.
 

stonesoffire

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Does not a sniper see the enemy before the enemy knows the sniper is there? And takes him out. A seal type?
 

posthuman

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There are guests at the wedding. Who are they?
Those He also gives wedding garments to.
There is no bride mentioned in this parable - who is she then? In Revelation 19 it's the bride who receives garments.
 

Nehemiah6

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All Believers receive salvation and various rewards but, are all the Bride of Christ?
The question you should have yourself was this: "Are all believers in the Body of Christ?"
And the answer from Scripture is "Absolutely".

The next question you should have asked yourself was this: "Will Christ leave parts of His Body behind -- dismember some and retain others?"
And the answer from Scripture is "
Absolutely Not".

So kindly study the meaning of the Body of Christ, which is also the Bride of Christ (and the Building of Christ), which becomes the Lamb's Wife. This is not based on any kind of merit in the saints whatsoever. It is based entirely on the grace of God and the imputed righteousness of Christ.
 

stonesoffire

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Those He also gives wedding garments to.
There is no bride mentioned in this parable - who is she then? In Revelation 19 it's the bride who receives garments.
Yes, that's right. But, there is also a great multitude worshipping before this happening. It seems to be separating the two in my reading.

I asked the Lord once about what I was..and received this answer..


Dan 12:13  But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

I'll be satisfied with my lot and rejoice if others rewards seem greater. No jealousy there and shouldn't be here. Not saying it is.
 

stonesoffire

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There's the Bridegroom though in Matt 25 and virgins. IMO, virgins would be those who are 100 fold, and possibly is 144,000 spoken of in Revelations too. Filled with oil, Holy Spirit. The Bride.