The Books of Enoch.

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Would the book of Enoch enhance one's spiritual understanding, or cause confusion questions?

  • A) help

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • B) Add Confusion

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • C) There's a reason God kept it out of the Bible

    Votes: 13 65.0%

  • Total voters
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Truth7t7

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I don't know who he is. Megenta posted it. I read it and passed it on. It is a collection of the same information I have discovered by reading about it when the subject has come up in the past.

There are much more scholarly papers that cite all their sources that one can find doing a Google search. I liked that one because it was simple for people and covers all the important points.

One thing a pastor friend told me that I agree with. In 17 years of pastoring he has never had even one person ask him about the book of Enoch and not one person try to talk to him about angels marrying humans and having giants. Not one. His point is that most people don't care about this topic and would think it has nothing to do with their walk with Christ. I found that insightful.
The whole Nephilim heresy was brought to prominence and promoted by now deceased (Chuck Missler) around 2000, he was the (Calvary Chapel) prophecy Guru, he wrote a few books "Return Of The Nephilim" and articles on the subject as seen below, way out in (Left Field)!

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Enoch 46:1-3 There I beheld the Ancient of days, whose head was like white wool.

Revelation 1:13-14 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;




Enoch 61:10 for from the beginning the Son of man existed

John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.





Enoch 19 :6-7 But you (Angels) from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever. Therefore I made not wives for you, (The Angels) because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.

Matthew 22:29-30 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.





Enoch 9:9-12 Thus has the whole earth been filled with blood and with iniquity. 10And now behold the souls of those who are dead, cry out. 11And complain even to the gate of heaven. 12Their groaning ascends; nor can they escape from the unrighteousness which is committed on earth. You know all things, before they exist.

Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Revelation 6:9-10 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?





Enoch 91:3 ]Let the righteous man arise from slumber; let him arise, and proceed in the path of righteousness.

1 Corinthians 15:34 wake to righteousness, and sin not;




Enoch 80:8 Explain everything to Mathusala your son; and inform all your children, that no flesh shall be justified before the Lord; for he is their Creator.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:





Enoch 3:1-3 All who are in the heavens know what is transacted there.They know that the heavenly luminaries change not their paths; that each rises and sets regularly, every one at its proper period, without transgressing the commands, which they have received. The behold the earth, and understand what is there transacted, from the beginning to the end of it.They see that every work of God is invariable in the period of its appearance.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
 

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The funny thing is the It’s reverse! The Greek mythology comes from the truth of Genesis 6.
It is interesting how Biblical events are parroted by different cultures. Including the flood.
 

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A few thoughts about Enoch.
1.He lived before the flood and so it is unlikely his writings went on the ark and was preserved 4000 years up to the time of Jude.
2. Noah heard directly from God and was not dependent on Enoch as someone previously mentioned.
Before the ark scripture was not written, it was put to memory. It wasn't until Moses that any of scripture was written.
 

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Your claim is false, those Angel's that were cast out of heaven (devils) dont maintain physical human bodies, but possess humans and animals spiritually.

The New Testament is packed full of this factual truth, Mark 5:1-13 the possessed man and the herd of swine, Mark 16:9 Mary Magdalene being just a few examples.

Mark 1:34KJV
34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

Once again, plain, simple, easy to understand, read it real slow :)

The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women

Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.

Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

your claim is false blah blah blah

are you that threatened by what your mind does not conceive of because you do not think there is anything outside of what you allow that might happen?

I assure you I can read and my comprehension is also intact. I think the spiritual realm is also alive and kicking. I also believe that things were a little less separate back in the day then they are now.

I will not bother to get into 'the sons of God' controversy or the fact that this term does in fact refer to NON humans because it is not my duty to convince you of anything. And that would include a time bomb ticking away that you appear not to notice.
 

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The whole Nephilim heresy was brought to prominence and promoted by now deceased (Chuck Missler) around 2000, he was the (Calvary Chapel) prophecy Guru, he wrote a few books "Return Of The Nephilim" and articles on the subject as seen below, way out in (Left Field)!

Not really. Don't blame Chuck. It's in the Bible. I have never read his books, but I have read and studied the Bible.

You know the Bible says that some of us have 'entertained' angels unawares and of course that does not mean having sex with one.

Alot more going on that you have (apparently) room in your theology to allow.

It's your loss. Or maybe not. You can just walk blithely around thinking all is right with your little postage stamp corner of the world.
 

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I will also note that while Pentecostals are keen on tongues, they do not accept the scripture that speaks plainly of angels crossing the line.
 
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I will not bother to get into 'the sons of God' controversy or the fact that this term does in fact refer to NON humans because it is not my duty to convince you of anything. And that would include a time bomb ticking away that you appear not to notice.


The Ancient Hebrew matched well with Enoch:
Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 6

2 That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose.
בוַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ


4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown.
דהַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֘ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָֽלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵֽעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם:


The proper translated English word for "Sons of God" in Ancient Hebrew actually means Noble. Noble is definitely not a term representing [humans].
 
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The Ethiopian Bible contains 81 books not 66 KJB including the Book of Enoch. Therefore for over 70 million people currently on earth the Book of Enoch is scripture
 

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The proper translated English word for "Sons of God" in Ancient Hebrew actually means Noble.
There are many sources that would disagree. But since you wish to make an argument from Gen 6: 1-3, did you think that up until v. 1, women only produced sons and when they produced daughters, God became angry when 'nobles' desired them? That is about the weakest and silliest idea yet. How did these normal human men produce giants then?

v.4 does not make any sense when viewed in the way you suggest. But I suppose it does satisfy certain mind sets.

7And the Lord said, "I will blot out man, whom I created, from upon the face of the earth, from man to cattle to creeping thing, to the fowl of the heavens, for I regret that I made them."

So God destroyed the earth because men had sex with women. That, is what you are saying. Guess we are all in for it now. :cautious:

The Nephilim (נְפִילִים; a word only ever found in plural form in OT) only appears three times in Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33 (twice). The word in 1 Ch 20:8 (also 1 Ch 20:6 and 1 Ch 8:2; cf. also 1 Ch 4:12) is Rapha (רָפָא; singular), also only found these three times (though that depends on interpretation of homonyms, see below). In Josh 15:8 is the word Rephaim (רְפָאִים; plural), which is always found its eight times (also Josh 18:16; 2 Sam 5:18, 22; 23:13; Isa 17:5; 1 Ch 11:15; 14:9) in connection with the word for valley, Emeq (עֵמֶק), hence in the translations either translated "valley of giants" or transliterated "valley of Rephaim."

Second, many major lexicons essentially uphold the word "giant(s)" as the translation in these spots, though you will find some differences as to what "giant" even should "mean." Many choose not to translate the words because of issues in knowing what translation is best, and so they transliterate the Hebrew sounds into English (hence, Nephilim and Rephaim).
 
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The whole Nephilim heresy was brought to prominence and promoted by now deceased (Chuck Missler) around 2000, he was the (Calvary Chapel) prophecy Guru, he wrote a few books "Return Of The Nephilim" and articles on the subject as seen below, way out in (Left Field)!

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Lots of preachers have taught it through the years before Missler. It has shown up in many commentaries through the past 200 years.

Finis Dake taught it and also helped make it popular before Missler came alone. Finis Dake made it popular in the 40s and Pentecostals following his lead spread it among the charismatic and pentecostals. The Assemblies of God rejected it as false teaching and told Finis he had to not teach it if he accepted a job as the Southwest Assembly of God president, he would not agree to those terms and so they found a better president. Eventually he was removed from the Assemblies for moral charges with a 16 year old. Jimmy Swaggert also preached this false teaching and helped confuse a generation of pentecostals.

I no longer engage with people in real life on this topic. I consider it one with conspiracy theory mentality. People are always trying to find something NEW that no one else knows about and facts don't matter to them. They will even believe that the book of Jasher written in the 1700s is the book mentioned in the OT. They don't care if it isn't. They like the sensationalism. Like those who believe Ghost stories and don't want you to ruin it for them. They like the scare factor and the entertainment of it all. These are those who are convinced that Lizard people are running the world. From such walk away.
 
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There are many sources that would disagree. But since you wish to make an argument from Gen 6: 1-3, did you think that up until v. 1, women only produced sons and when they produced daughters, God became angry when 'nobles' desired them? That is about the weakest and silliest idea yet. How did these normal human men produce giants then?

v.4 does not make any sense when viewed in the way you suggest. But I suppose it does satisfy certain mind sets.

7And the Lord said, "I will blot out man, whom I created, from upon the face of the earth, from man to cattle to creeping thing, to the fowl of the heavens, for I regret that I made them."

So God destroyed the earth because men had sex with women. That, is what you are saying. Guess we are all in for it now. :cautious:

The Nephilim (נְפִילִים; a word only ever found in plural form in OT) only appears three times in Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33 (twice). The word in 1 Ch 20:8 (also 1 Ch 20:6 and 1 Ch 8:2; cf. also 1 Ch 4:12) is Rapha (רָפָא; singular), also only found these three times (though that depends on interpretation of homonyms, see below). In Josh 15:8 is the word Rephaim (רְפָאִים; plural), which is always found its eight times (also Josh 18:16; 2 Sam 5:18, 22; 23:13; Isa 17:5; 1 Ch 11:15; 14:9) in connection with the word for valley, Emeq (עֵמֶק), hence in the translations either translated "valley of giants" or transliterated "valley of Rephaim."

Second, many major lexicons essentially uphold the word "giant(s)" as the translation in these spots, though you will find some differences as to what "giant" even should "mean." Many choose not to translate the words because of issues in knowing what translation is best, and so they transliterate the Hebrew sounds into English (hence, Nephilim and Rephaim).
You think Nephilim were produced by 2 human beings?
 
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You think Nephilim were produced by 2 human beings?
Why wouldn't they. The English says giants. The translation of the Hebrew word. Why are people insisting on using the Hebrew word instead of just saying giants? They are trying to invent a meaning that is not intended. As if Nephilim means another creature? It means giant. It is the same word used in Numbers 13

33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

No one for a 1000 years has tried to interpret that the spies saw Angel/Human hybrid creatures. They saw giants. Goliath, Og, these are examples. Possibly 9 - 11 feet tall according the measurements given in scripture about Goliath and Ogs bed.

Was Goliath the product of two humans? Were these giants (nephilim) seen by the spies the product of two humans? Of course they were.

Years ago it could be proven that Jesus interpreted the sons of God as men when he spoke in Matt 24:37-49

Then the belligerently intellectually dishonest invented the interpretation that Jesus was warning of Angel human giant babies in the end times. That is how stubborn they are to give up the fable. They were mad that a verse was found where Jesus interpreted it as men and they went to the horrific extreme of suggesting that Jesus was warning about Angel human giant babies cropping up in the end times. When you hear someone suggest this, just walk away. They are not going to be honest no matter what you present from scriptures to refute them.
 
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The book of Enoch is mentioned in the New Testament, and I believe that it was taught to the Jews equally as much as the other books in the old testament.
Was seriously leaning towards studying it. Any words of wisdom from the audience?
These Book of Enoch threads always result in people wanting to call other people idiots. This is strong evidence that the interpretation is false. It is some of that seed sown by the enemy.
 

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Why wouldn't they. The English says giants. The translation of the Hebrew word. Why are people insisting on using the Hebrew word instead of just saying giants? They are trying to invent a meaning that is not intended. As if Nephilim means another creature? It means giant. It is the same word used in Numbers 13

33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

No one for a 1000 years has tried to interpret that the spies saw Angel/Human hybrid creatures. They saw giants. Goliath, Og, these are examples. Possibly 9 - 11 feet tall according the measurements given in scripture about Goliath and Ogs bed.

Was Goliath the product of two humans? Were these giants (nephilim) seen by the spies the product of two humans? Of course they were.

Years ago it could be proven that Jesus interpreted the sons of God as men when he spoke in Matt 24:37-49

Then the belligerently intellectually dishonest invented the interpretation that Jesus was warning of Angel human giant babies in the end times. That is how stubborn they are to give up the fable. They were mad that a verse was found where Jesus interpreted it as men and they went to the horrific extreme of suggesting that Jesus was warning about Angel human giant babies cropping up in the end times. When you hear someone suggest this, just walk away. They are not going to be honest no matter what you present from scriptures to refute them.
I agree the supporters of this teaching switch to the Hebrew (Nephilim) as if some new teaching is seen, when we know (Giant) is the english used, just like Goliath was a giant that lived.

Just thought I would seize the opportunity to apply this to the Latin word (Raptura) and the english words used in the bible (Caught Up) as man has taken the Second Coming, and Last Day Resurrection and invented a new teaching in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 in a Pre-Trib (Rapture) of the Church to heaven.
 
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Why wouldn't they. The English says giants. The translation of the Hebrew word. Why are people insisting on using the Hebrew word instead of just saying giants? They are trying to invent a meaning that is not intended. As if Nephilim means another creature? It means giant. It is the same word used in Numbers 13

33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

No one for a 1000 years has tried to interpret that the spies saw Angel/Human hybrid creatures. They saw giants. Goliath, Og, these are examples. Possibly 9 - 11 feet tall according the measurements given in scripture about Goliath and Ogs bed.

Was Goliath the product of two humans? Were these giants (nephilim) seen by the spies the product of two humans? Of course they were.

Years ago it could be proven that Jesus interpreted the sons of God as men when he spoke in Matt 24:37-49

Then the belligerently intellectually dishonest invented the interpretation that Jesus was warning of Angel human giant babies in the end times. That is how stubborn they are to give up the fable. They were mad that a verse was found where Jesus interpreted it as men and they went to the horrific extreme of suggesting that Jesus was warning about Angel human giant babies cropping up in the end times. When you hear someone suggest this, just walk away. They are not going to be honest no matter what you present from scriptures to refute them.


We know the Fallen Angels were cast down to this planet. They were not bound but FREE to roam. Job tells us Satan roams, Satan even spends a couple days with Jesus tempting Him because he is FREE to roam, we know Jesus cast out Demons so these Fallen Angels were FREE to roam and Possess humans and create all sorts of evil upon God's Creation. But Peter speaks of some Fallen Angels, who were like the ones free and roaming of today. But they committed a [Sin] that God specifically WARNED them from committing. Obviously, we know from Genesis 6 they [did not] obey. As result of their actions towards God, they're currently sitting in a DARKNESS so thick, where light will NEVER shine, bound in chains until their day of Judgement.[/B]

2nd Peter 2:
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
 
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The [term] "Sons of God" is found 4 times in the Old Testament.
(1) Genesis 6

(2-4) The other three times outside of this occurrence are found in the Book of Job in the 1st chapter, in the 6th verse, in the 2nd chapter, in the 1st verse, and in the 38th chapter, and the 7th verse. These three other occurrences in the Book of Job are clearly references to angelic beings. The sons of God, plural, are references to angelic beings. So we have good, biblical usage of the term to refer to this to angelic beings. The expression in the Scofield Bible, the old Scofield Bible, referred to as being equivalent to it, “Sons of the living God,”
 

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Because the quote is right in scripture and Jude called it prophecy from Enoch.

"Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
How do you know Jude wasn't speaking out of Divine inspiration of what Enoch prophesied? It doesn't prove one iota that the Book of Enoch was inspired of God.
 

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Before the ark scripture was not written, it was put to memory. It wasn't until Moses that any of scripture was written.
Obviously. See post #79.