THE BRIDE OF CHRIST
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I believe that each church (assuming a true church) is it's own entity with Christ as it's head and is individual as a separate entity in God's eyes (Revelation and the different statements, judgments, commendations, warnings, etc. that are applied by Jesus unto the churches in Asia)
One body of believers in Heaven collectively as one entity (church) with Jesus as it's head.
Peter teaches that individual body is made up of many members and when they come together for worship as living stones a dwelling place for the Spirit is the result and by that Holy Spirit we as individuals can collectively worship God in Spirit and in truth...
I have a hard time seeing/believing in a Universal Church on the planet in the sense of the word (universal), however,
God sees not as man and I have no problem or conflict with God seeing each Church as it's own entity while also seeing each individual member of said churches as a member of the whole as found in heaven.
One body of believers in Heaven collectively as one entity (church) with Jesus as it's head.
Peter teaches that individual body is made up of many members and when they come together for worship as living stones a dwelling place for the Spirit is the result and by that Holy Spirit we as individuals can collectively worship God in Spirit and in truth...
I have a hard time seeing/believing in a Universal Church on the planet in the sense of the word (universal), however,
God sees not as man and I have no problem or conflict with God seeing each Church as it's own entity while also seeing each individual member of said churches as a member of the whole as found in heaven.
That is how I view it....assuming...
1. We are talking members of true churches
2. All believers are considered part of the whole<----as found in heaven under Jesus
3. On the earth there are churches (individual, separate entities with equal right and authority to the throne of Grace)
Church A\
Church B ]---->Individual churches---->yet all part of the individual assembly found in heaven
Church C/
As one body of believers is evident by scripture, yet we cannot ignore the (plurality) of churches which is also found in the scriptures.
1. We are talking members of true churches
2. All believers are considered part of the whole<----as found in heaven under Jesus
3. On the earth there are churches (individual, separate entities with equal right and authority to the throne of Grace)
Church A\
Church B ]---->Individual churches---->yet all part of the individual assembly found in heaven
Church C/
As one body of believers is evident by scripture, yet we cannot ignore the (plurality) of churches which is also found in the scriptures.
1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
In Acts, where even an unruly crowd can be described as an 'ecclesia' - assembly of people, the word is used in a very basic sense; but it's not theological proof that crowds of believers should be grafted institutionally into a Christian church together with born again believers.
Just a very general observation: If we distinguish between Israel, an earthly people in the Old Testament and the church, a heavenly people that is born again, there is no need to follow some clergy, who for their own reasons might want some of the prerogatives of the Levitical priesthood to be carried forward to the church and thereby also bring a supposed justification for a 'mixed multitude' to be in the church.
Blessings.
Just a very general observation: If we distinguish between Israel, an earthly people in the Old Testament and the church, a heavenly people that is born again, there is no need to follow some clergy, who for their own reasons might want some of the prerogatives of the Levitical priesthood to be carried forward to the church and thereby also bring a supposed justification for a 'mixed multitude' to be in the church.
Blessings.
As an Allegory, I see the Old Testament as a Giant, and the new Testament as the Midget, and I think we all know that the two standing side by side that the Giant sees further down the road than the Midget.
Now if one puts the Midget on top of the Giants shoulders, then we can see all the way home.
Yet all the word is only interpreted correct though the Spirit of truth of God sent to each that beleive. And we start the walk of truth knocking out errors, learning from mistakes we all make, learning this not my thoughts, God's and this discernment takes time to trusting God in all things, especially since we all have been kicked around like footballs here in this world.
To actually come to peace while still here in this unredeemed flesh that we all are in for now, God wants us to view it from God's Spirit where we have life only for now by the resurrected Christ,
Renewing our minds as in to how we think, my , your, those over there thoughts of the worldly flesh or God's thoughts delivered from the Spirit of God each of us personally, not religiously. For God is our friend, if only we will; beleive God
Now if one puts the Midget on top of the Giants shoulders, then we can see all the way home.
Yet all the word is only interpreted correct though the Spirit of truth of God sent to each that beleive. And we start the walk of truth knocking out errors, learning from mistakes we all make, learning this not my thoughts, God's and this discernment takes time to trusting God in all things, especially since we all have been kicked around like footballs here in this world.
To actually come to peace while still here in this unredeemed flesh that we all are in for now, God wants us to view it from God's Spirit where we have life only for now by the resurrected Christ,
Renewing our minds as in to how we think, my , your, those over there thoughts of the worldly flesh or God's thoughts delivered from the Spirit of God each of us personally, not religiously. For God is our friend, if only we will; beleive God
no sir, flesh is and id carnal, and the letter of the Law was put in place to show us how weak our flesh is and in need of the Law of Liberty, Spiritual. No flesh pleases God. Only Christ's did this pleased God. and Christ had no earth Father, born a life-giving Spirit, and this life giving is in the resurrected Christ, not the dead one. Yet in order to gain life in the Spirit seeing this gift given to us by Father is through Christ's death
Phil 3:10-11
Love you man, deeper that you might know for I could not love like this until I saw
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
No one can love from their unredeemed flesh as God does until they agree to be dead in themselves, and alive in the Spirit by God from God a free gift to walk as Son walked by Faith, the same as Christ did while in the flesh
For he did nothing or said nothing but by what was told from Father whom lived in him by the power of the Holy Ghost
Phil 3:10-11
Love you man, deeper that you might know for I could not love like this until I saw
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
No one can love from their unredeemed flesh as God does until they agree to be dead in themselves, and alive in the Spirit by God from God a free gift to walk as Son walked by Faith, the same as Christ did while in the flesh
For he did nothing or said nothing but by what was told from Father whom lived in him by the power of the Holy Ghost
Absolute truth, just interpretation gets messed up, and need discernment from Father through Son, at least for me I do\
From the Old or better put the First Testament unto the second which fills the first, and the two in unison we see the riches all the way home, while we are poor here on earth we are still thankful in all things, seeing knowing God just love us this much
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
From the Old or better put the First Testament unto the second which fills the first, and the two in unison we see the riches all the way home, while we are poor here on earth we are still thankful in all things, seeing knowing God just love us this much
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
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We don't throw of the "letter" of the law when we obey the "spirit" of the law. The Spirit is not liberty to sin. The law of liberty is no good without the "letter" of the law, because, no law=sin. The law of liberty is freedom from man made and God made ordinances added to the moral laws. With the new heart we can keep both the letter and the spirit of the law, so, we don't ever get free from the moral law. Yes , in a very deep and spiritual way, the "good" "righteous" man, does not need the law, to threaten him, will Hell, if he disobeys; we love the moral law and we love to obey it. BUT, we still need the "letter" of the law for the specifics rules of conduct, other wise, we could make judgments based on the situation, our feelings of the moment, which may be sinful. We need to be wise and know God's sense of things. Love to all, Hoffco
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Elin, I think you have a good command of the English language or is it a 2nd language to you? I have to be very forgiving with my Philippine wife ,because she has a limited command of Eng.. But, you are not naive, innocent, You are being "down right" irritating. to cause division, and to smear an intelligent person. Try a little kindness. Love Hoffco