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Deadflesh

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#1
The CHURCH is the Body of Christ. CHRIST builds it. NOT Man.

His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms"
Ephesians 3:10

God is teaching his heavenly Host HIS wisdom through The TRUE body Of Christ. NOT through a Man ordained building. NOT through MANS Knowledge. But through the Church that JESUS is builindg. he layed himself down as the cornerstone, adn is now building apon himself.

MAN can say absolutely nothing about WHO is Gods church.

If you are AWAY from believers, yet your fruits show that you ARE a follower of Jesus Christ. Be of Good Cheer, and dont let man break your spirit. JESUS will bring who HE wants in your life. KEEP serving HIM alone.

If You are IN a Building, that is called a Church(whch is sooo unbiblical its ridiculous how it went on for so long, what with all the bible worshipers out there) But if you ARE in a building called Church, and it is FILLED with the holy spirit, adn with people that are CONSTANTLY leading you to JESUS and JESUS alone. not to an ministry(God leads you to ministries...not man, Man leads you to GOD) But if you have found a church that is doing what Jesus, wants..Then Count your self soo abundantly blessed, because They are RARE. Few and far between.


If you Are in a Church and they PRAISE each other, and Do all sorts of ACTIVITIES, and God themed things. And they have an apearence of Godliness, But are in SIN, and still gossip, and slander, and backbite, and bicker, and argue.(denying the power of God for regenration) IF they are spendign MORE time with thigns, and life, then seeking JESUS(idolatry) I would pray HEAVILY about comming ou of them. If YOU are doing those thigns REPENT becasue that is NOT what you should be doing if you ae a follower of Jesus Christ.
IF YOur Pastor is leading you To Semnars, and leading you to books, and if your elders are giving you instructional DVDS, adn if the leaders in the Church are prising what they should be doing, and put an emphasis on ANYTHING else, other than JESUS. if they arent aLL leading you to CHRIST THE LORD, then there is somthign amiss, and they may be in deep sin, if they are following Jesus in any respect.

The Church has been operating BACKWARDS for a very long time. We put the leaders at the TOP, and then have all under them. Thusly THEY are the head of the CHURCH MAN has replaced JESUS.

The CHURCH should be:

JESUS
SHEEP(Congragation)
Decons, Elders
Pastor

It should be the quote unquote "LEADERS" of the Church on the BOTTOM pushing all the reast UP to Jesus!!!!
(servants!!! not task masters and little gods!!!)

Instead we have the oposite:

JESUS
Pastor
Deacons,Elders
Sheep(congragation)


So that If you Need spiritual growth, they dont direct you to JESUS the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, No, they direct you to MAN. If you want JEsus you need to be a MEmeber of the corperate, local "Church" and be submited to an ovrseer. FIRST of all if you belong to JEsus Christ, you are allready a memebr of the body...you dont need to sign a contract or a covenant or an oath(which btw Jesus said not to do) IF you are in a Church that says you MUST be a member, or maybe if they dont say it they hint at it...otherwise you arent being used by GOD...get away from them. The value MAN higher then Christ Jesus. Secondly, an Overseer oversee's your growth in CHRIST, adn leads you to JESUS.

The "Church", for the most part, is so backwards and deceived, and opresseed, and Spiritually dead, that if there was an actually movemnt of the Holy spirit in them, they would all get up and Run away screaming becase they do not know God. They Know dance ministires, They know Seminary(which isnt in the bible btw) They know Teachigns of MEN, but if they spirit moved in MOST churches...they wold not understand it.

SEEK JESUS first. he tld you to. We should be following HIM, not following US. WE are the body, does the BOdy operate without the head? And if you arent attached TO the head, if you arent in DEEP prayer daily to find out waht the head wants...If you arent led, adn moved by the SPIRIT of GOD, then there may be somthing wrong.

It is NEEDED to fellowship. But it is NEEDED to felloship wit hthose filled wit hthe spirit, not jsut with someone who claims to be a chirstian.

Now again, if you ARE apart of A church that is operating the way it should, adn IS filled with Righteous, people growing in holiness, and if it is a Church built on constant repentance, adn contant GROWTH f the spirit, then Count your self abumdantly blessed.

If NOT, then PRAY heavily about what church, what congragation JESUS wants you in. Not YOUR OWN idea of it, but truly what HE wants. He may surprise you, and tell you that you need to come out. OR that your church is a dwellign place of Demons. ARe you ready to hear that? or would you rather just wait til the end. Never ask Jesus for anything, never acknolwedge him in ALL your ways, adn just see what he will say on the last day?

Think about it, and TRULY stop valuing opinion of MAN over opinion of GOD. ASK HIM! he WILL tell, show, guide, tell, SPEAK, and LEAD you. The CHURCH is the body. and the body is lead by the head. Jesus bless you.
 
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Scotth1960

Guest
#2
Dear Deadflesh, The Church?
Everybody has an ecclesiology. A doctrine of the Church.
I believe the correct definition of Church is
1 one
2 holy
3 catholic
4 apostolic
structure
Christ the only Head
(there is no human "Vicar of Christ")
bishop
presbyter/elder (priest)
deacon
laity
patriarchates
5 historic
1 Rome
2 Constantinople
3 Alexandria
4 Antioch
5 Jerusalem
and some other patriarchates, including 6 Moscow
and the other Orthodox patriarchates
many Christian laity who all say "who proceeds from the Father"
since 1054 AD, 1 Rome is in schism and heresy from the Church because of "FILIOQUE" and other heresies, such as papal supremacy and infallibility, the heretical council of Vatican II of 1870 AD, not acceptable to true Christians.
God save us. In Erie Scott
PA Amen. The Church is the Body of Christ. And the Bride of Christ.

The CHURCH is the Body of Christ. CHRIST builds it. NOT Man.

His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms"
Ephesians 3:10

God is teaching his heavenly Host HIS wisdom through The TRUE body Of Christ. NOT through a Man ordained building. NOT through MANS Knowledge. But through the Church that JESUS is builindg. he layed himself down as the cornerstone, adn is now building apon himself.

MAN can say absolutely nothing about WHO is Gods church.

If you are AWAY from believers, yet your fruits show that you ARE a follower of Jesus Christ. Be of Good Cheer, and dont let man break your spirit. JESUS will bring who HE wants in your life. KEEP serving HIM alone.

If You are IN a Building, that is called a Church(whch is sooo unbiblical its ridiculous how it went on for so long, what with all the bible worshipers out there) But if you ARE in a building called Church, and it is FILLED with the holy spirit, adn with people that are CONSTANTLY leading you to JESUS and JESUS alone. not to an ministry(God leads you to ministries...not man, Man leads you to GOD) But if you have found a church that is doing what Jesus, wants..Then Count your self soo abundantly blessed, because They are RARE. Few and far between.


If you Are in a Church and they PRAISE each other, and Do all sorts of ACTIVITIES, and God themed things. And they have an apearence of Godliness, But are in SIN, and still gossip, and slander, and backbite, and bicker, and argue.(denying the power of God for regenration) IF they are spendign MORE time with thigns, and life, then seeking JESUS(idolatry) I would pray HEAVILY about comming ou of them. If YOU are doing those thigns REPENT becasue that is NOT what you should be doing if you ae a follower of Jesus Christ.
IF YOur Pastor is leading you To Semnars, and leading you to books, and if your elders are giving you instructional DVDS, adn if the leaders in the Church are prising what they should be doing, and put an emphasis on ANYTHING else, other than JESUS. if they arent aLL leading you to CHRIST THE LORD, then there is somthign amiss, and they may be in deep sin, if they are following Jesus in any respect.

The Church has been operating BACKWARDS for a very long time. We put the leaders at the TOP, and then have all under them. Thusly THEY are the head of the CHURCH MAN has replaced JESUS.

The CHURCH should be:

JESUS
SHEEP(Congragation)
Decons, Elders
Pastor

It should be the quote unquote "LEADERS" of the Church on the BOTTOM pushing all the reast UP to Jesus!!!!
(servants!!! not task masters and little gods!!!)

Instead we have the oposite:

JESUS
Pastor
Deacons,Elders
Sheep(congragation)


So that If you Need spiritual growth, they dont direct you to JESUS the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, No, they direct you to MAN. If you want JEsus you need to be a MEmeber of the corperate, local "Church" and be submited to an ovrseer. FIRST of all if you belong to JEsus Christ, you are allready a memebr of the body...you dont need to sign a contract or a covenant or an oath(which btw Jesus said not to do) IF you are in a Church that says you MUST be a member, or maybe if they dont say it they hint at it...otherwise you arent being used by GOD...get away from them. The value MAN higher then Christ Jesus. Secondly, an Overseer oversee's your growth in CHRIST, adn leads you to JESUS.

The "Church", for the most part, is so backwards and deceived, and opresseed, and Spiritually dead, that if there was an actually movemnt of the Holy spirit in them, they would all get up and Run away screaming becase they do not know God. They Know dance ministires, They know Seminary(which isnt in the bible btw) They know Teachigns of MEN, but if they spirit moved in MOST churches...they wold not understand it.

SEEK JESUS first. he tld you to. We should be following HIM, not following US. WE are the body, does the BOdy operate without the head? And if you arent attached TO the head, if you arent in DEEP prayer daily to find out waht the head wants...If you arent led, adn moved by the SPIRIT of GOD, then there may be somthing wrong.

It is NEEDED to fellowship. But it is NEEDED to felloship wit hthose filled wit hthe spirit, not jsut with someone who claims to be a chirstian.

Now again, if you ARE apart of A church that is operating the way it should, adn IS filled with Righteous, people growing in holiness, and if it is a Church built on constant repentance, adn contant GROWTH f the spirit, then Count your self abumdantly blessed.

If NOT, then PRAY heavily about what church, what congragation JESUS wants you in. Not YOUR OWN idea of it, but truly what HE wants. He may surprise you, and tell you that you need to come out. OR that your church is a dwellign place of Demons. ARe you ready to hear that? or would you rather just wait til the end. Never ask Jesus for anything, never acknolwedge him in ALL your ways, adn just see what he will say on the last day?

Think about it, and TRULY stop valuing opinion of MAN over opinion of GOD. ASK HIM! he WILL tell, show, guide, tell, SPEAK, and LEAD you. The CHURCH is the body. and the body is lead by the head. Jesus bless you.
 
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Deadflesh

Guest
#3
yeah i know what your opinion is scott sir, but your opinion is dross in comparison to the LORD(as is mine). have you ever asked HIM where YOU should be? hwave YOU gotten on your knees and BEGGED him for guidence and MORE of his spirit to convict and lead you? or do you just rely on self and man?
 
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AnandaHya

Guest
#4
sometimes God uses the church to teach His people

 
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Deadflesh

Guest
#5
sometimes God uses the church to teach His people

Most definately AnandaHya! :)

But his stones(his church, HIS called out assembly) are ALL around.

And just becasue Some may emphasise the need "esemble" themselves into a building, doesnt mean that they are being used by God in anyrespect.

Doesnt mean they arent either...But OUR focus should be JESUS. And the focus of the elders should be leading EVERYONE including themselves deeper and closer to JESUS.
 
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Scotth1960

Guest
#6
yeah i know what your opinion is scott sir, but your opinion is dross in comparison to the LORD(as is mine). have you ever asked HIM where YOU should be? hwave YOU gotten on your knees and BEGGED him for guidence and MORE of his spirit to convict and lead you? or do you just rely on self and man?
Dear Deadflesh, I have a lot more to do. And a lot more walking in the Spirit. As for me, I don't have opinions. I just am sure I have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Yet I have confessed my sins and so I am sure God is faithful and just to forgive my sins and to cleanse me from all unrighteousness. Truth is not a matter of opinion. Either Christ founded a visible Church that is identifiable and knowable in history, or Matthew 16:18 is false and we can't rely on Christ. But since there is only one holy catholic and apostolic, it is just a question of whether the true Creed of the true Church should or should not have the Filioque. I say it should not. And so do 300 million Eastern Orthodox Christians.
God bless you. I guess if you go by "sola Scriptura", and I am not sure if that is your opinion, that teaching did not come along to John Wycliffe and Jan Hus and Martin Luther and John Calvin. Take care.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS The Holy Spirit has been convicting and guiding me for a couple of years now, as I have become a little more obedient to Him. I still have work to do and more obedience to fulfill His will and His plan for my life.
 
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Lad

Guest
#7
Just thought id add that Christ in his letter to the churches never said "your church sucks, go to the one down the road" or "your church is horrible stop going to it" instead He said to overcome the troubles that were in it. So if the church you go to isnt following God or staying in sin, STAY in that church, and invite Jesus in through being the one to worship him, if you overcome then you will reign with him such is the promise :)