the death of self-righteousness

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theanointedsinner

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If we are trying to "save ourselves", trying to "sustain, maintain" and somehow "protect" our own salvation, then we are no different than blind guides leading another blind guides. (Matthew 15:14) We just can't do it, even with our so called "best of intentions" and I'm also sure that we've all heard of the say "the highway to hell :devilish: is paved with good intentions".

We have to keep in mind that our hearts are so deceitful and desperately wicked, that, let's put it this way ... no matter how "open-minded" or "self-forgiving" or how familiar we feel that we are to our own evil ways, God know the worst of us to the point where, just a small glimpse of our worst sin is enough to haunt us in our nightmares till the end of days :eek: if God ever choose to reveal that to us. We just "can't take it", we won't be able to handle it. May we be thankful that God is merciful in not revealing our true worst self to us.

Apostle Peter who have said in John 6:68, "Lord, to whom shall we go to, you have the word of eternal life", such level of devotion is easy to see why Peter would think that he would lay down his life for Jesus, even though Jesus said, "Peter, please don't overestimate yourself, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three time", and I'm sure Peter refused to believe that, until that actually happened right before his very eyes, and and Peter wepts. :cry:

1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall

the possibility of sin exist
Therefore, sin nature exist

John 8:7 - he who is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone

Apostle Peter is disqualified to cast a stone, how much more disqualified are those who believe in false doctrine of sinless perfectionist :unsure:

and also
John 3:17 - Jesus came not to condemn but to save :giggle:


Adam gave us the curse of sin
Jesus gave us the gift of eternal life (summarized version of Romans 5)

these should be enough scripture to focus on for now,:geek: let us meditate
 
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Ariel82

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When I was 17 I believe God revealed my "true worst self" to me. He should me the type of person I would become if I continue on the road to selfishness. I don't remember it all but I remember waking horrified at the image of an older me bathing in the blood of my loved ones and laughing. In the dream, i had all the power and money in the world, but I had lost my soul and compassion for anyone including myself.

It was a wake up call.

Anyway hope you have a blessed day and this thread is filled with pleasant and helpful responses. We could use a few more of those threads here in bdf.
 

Pumpkinspice

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If we are trying to "save ourselves", trying to "sustain, maintain" and somehow "protect" our own salvation, then we are no different than blind guides leading another blind guides. (Matthew 15:14) We just can't do it, even with our so called "best of intentions" and I'm also sure that we've all heard of the say "the highway to hell :devilish: is paved with good intentions".

We have to keep in mind that our hearts are so deceitful and desperately wicked, that, let's put it this way ... no matter how "open-minded" or "self-forgiving" or how familiar we feel that we are to our own evil ways, God know the worst of us to the point where, just a small glimpse of our worst sin is enough to haunt us in our nightmares till the end of days :eek: if God ever choose to reveal that to us. We just "can't take it", we won't be able to handle it. May we be thankful that God is merciful in not revealing our true worst self to us.

Apostle Peter who have said in John 6:68, "Lord, to whom shall we go to, you have the word of eternal life", such level of devotion is easy to see why Peter would think that he would lay down his life for Jesus, even though Jesus said, "Peter, please don't overestimate yourself, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three time", and I'm sure Peter refused to believe that, until that actually happened right before his very eyes, and and Peter wepts. :cry:

1 Cor 10:12 - if you think you are standing firm, be careful do not fall

the possibility of sin exist
Therefore, sin nature exist

John 8:7 - he who is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone

Apostle Peter is disqualified to cast a stone, how much more disqualified are those who believe in false doctrine of sinless perfectionist :unsure:

and also
John 3:17 - Jesus came not to condemn but to save :giggle:


Adam gave us the curse of sin
Jesus gave us the gift of eternal life (summarized version of Romans 5)

these should be enough scripture to focus on for now,:geek: let us meditate

Then St. Peter wept bitterly till his stomach was filled and resumed to his chores. ❤️
 
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theanointedsinner

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Then St. Peter wept bitterly till his stomach was filled and resumed to his chores. ❤️
ms pumpkin, would you do the honors and share this thread to as many people as possible

wisdom in this thread is valuable, people need to know
 
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The bible is clear.....there have only been 2 men to walk the earth that were sinless....and one of those was only sinless until he sinned, that being Adam......so that LEAVES only 1 who was SINLESS, that being JESUS. The reason his righteousness must be imputed by faith without the deeds/works of the law is because HE WAS THE ONLY ONE...everyone else is already condemned without Christ as a law breaker and sinner.....EVEN AFTER we are saved John writes....IF WE say that WE have no sin WE are deceived and the truth is not in US.

Having said that......the only aspect of us that is SINLESS after SALVATION is the SPIRIT that has been born of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED, FROM ABOVE by the HOLY SPIRIT and EXACTLY WHY we now have ACCESS to not only the throne of GOD for mercy and help in time of need, but also ENTRANCE by the one and only door into the KINGDOM of GOD.

ALL who say they are sinless in their daily life or without sin.....are condemned as liars.....!
 
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theanointedsinner

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for all have sinned (Romans 3:23)
 
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theanointedsinner

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dave @dcontroversal it's quite an honor to have you here

can you clarify the part in the bible where elijah was caught in the whirlwind of fire and went to heaven

even elijah sinned, right?
 

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Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
 
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Elijah was taken up in a fiery chariot
Enoch was translated that he should not see death

Both are sinners that had faith into the coming messiah as seen through the pictures, types and shadows found in the O.T. that pointed to Christ. The first promise of a redeemer is found in Genesis 3:15 and it is evident there was a lineage of faith woven throughout the O.T. as evidenced by Abel's offering of blood by faith, Seth calling on the Lord etc..........Enoch makes the 11th chapter of Hebrews, the chapter of faith, and Elijah as well under the generalized descriptions of the prophets etc....
 
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theanointedsinner

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He saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit." (Titus 3:5)
 
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theanointedsinner

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@SweetStars
would you be able to post any opinion you may have about sin? thank you in advanced
 

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Sin is failing to obey God, to love God and others, it is something that separate us from God.

This video explains it much more deeply