The diciples prayer .

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throughfaith

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Luke 11

Is this prayer for today ?


1¶And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

2¶And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3Give us day by day our daily bread.

4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
 

p_rehbein

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Read the 6th Chapter of Matthew, and then Chapter 28:19, 20.
 

throughfaith

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Read the 6th Chapter of Matthew, and then Chapter 28:19, 20.
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

including Matthew 10.5 ?
 

throughfaith

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I notice it says ' Our father ' ,which is corporate . Its to Jews of course . Its under the law . its before the cross . Its before Jesus died for the sins of the world. So they are praying for forgiveness of sins.
 

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“Our Father” refers to Israel, as is seen by the passage in which the prayer occurs in Matthew (vss. 7–8, 6:32). Notice that “Our Father” is never given to a Gentile to pray, nor does Christ anywhere in the Sermon on the Mount even intimate that God is “Father” to anyone but an Israelite!
 

throughfaith

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He is telling His listeners to call God “Our Father,” and thus He distinctly shows us that the “Our Father” is not the “Lord’s prayer” at all, since the Lord never prayed it, is not praying it now, and never will pray it. It is a “Disciples’ Prayer” given to Old Testament, Jewish disciples before the crucifixion, resurrection, and Church Age.
 

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He is telling His listeners to call God “Our Father,” and thus He distinctly shows us that the “Our Father” is not the “Lord’s prayer” at all, since the Lord never prayed it, is not praying it now, and never will pray it. It is a “Disciples’ Prayer” given to Old Testament, Jewish disciples before the crucifixion, resurrection, and Church Age.
More BALONEY from someone who should be learning rather than trying to promote false doctrines.
 

throughfaith

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Of course. Why do you keep starting thread after thread to cast doubt on Bible truth?
Why ' of course ' when none of the prayer applies to a gentile. None of it applies after the cross .
 

throughfaith

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Of course. Why do you keep starting thread after thread to cast doubt on Bible truth?
' cast doubt on bible truth ' . Luke 11 is true , I believe they asked Jesus a question and he answered them . If Jesus had said " teach this prayer to gentiles also and everyone after my resurrection. And if we saw it reappear after the resurrection, in one of the epistles ,then those that repeat it toady may have a point .
 

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Luke 11

Is this prayer for today ?


1¶And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

2¶And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3Give us day by day our daily bread.

4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.


“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.


And at some later point the doxology was added by early Christians.

For thine is the kingdom,
the power and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.



I pray this quite often. It's our family prayer (family as in church family)

"At the heart of our prayers will be words that Jesus himself taught us. It is simple enough to be memorised by small children and yet profound enough to sustain a whole lifetime of prayer.

The Archbishops of Canterbury and York "
 

throughfaith

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“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.


And at some later point the doxology was added by early Christians.

For thine is the kingdom,
the power and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.



I pray this quite often. It's our family prayer (family as in church family)
Hmm I usually see it as a red flag any quote by a' Archbishop '
 

throughfaith

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“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.


And at some later point the doxology was added by early Christians.

For thine is the kingdom,
the power and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.



I pray this quite often. It's our family prayer (family as in church family)
None of it applies to non Jews after the cross .
 

throughfaith

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“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.


And at some later point the doxology was added by early Christians.

For thine is the kingdom,
the power and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.



I pray this quite often. It's our family prayer (family as in church family)
The disciples prayer is corporate. it is a Jewish prayer , before the cross . Before Jesus dealt with the sins of the world.
 

phil36

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“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,

Just as a further note. if we think about the blessing it is to be able to say 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name' in fact just those two words 'Our Father' what a privilege.

Because we are sons/daughters we can say 'Our Father'. That in itself is a wonderful truth that we could dwell on for a lifetime.