The Doctine of Oneness

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when i was reading your thread something came to me that jesus is the only being that was living before he took himself a mans body on this earth, thats why the devil put the religion of reincarnation on the earth to divert the world away from Jesus,that makes sense to me, thats my two cents worth
 
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when i was reading your thread something came to me that jesus is the only being that was living before he took himself a mans body on this earth, thats why the devil put the religion of reincarnation on the earth to divert the world away from Jesus, thats my two cents worth
Reincarnation is a doctrine of devils, you are correct.
 
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God has had a son even before the world was created because the son was with the father and all things were created through the son.


Can you say anything else at all beside everyone else believes it so I will too. Believe God not man.

That "everyone else" is 1700 years of Church history both apostolic and protestant which puts you in the same crowd as Jehovah's Witnesses , Oneness Pentecostals and other so-called "Christian" groups. The Trinity doctrine and difference in persons between Christ and the Father rings true for me and most Christians who read and study the bible for themselfs. Note that the only one really agreeing with your beliefs is a quack who doesn't believe in gravity and thinks NASA is a big conspiracy and hates Jews. You've certainly gone off-track somewhere.
 
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God has had a son even before the world was created because the son was with the father and all things were created through the son.





That "everyone else" is 1700 years of Church history both apostolic and protestant which puts you in the same crowd as Jehovah's Witnesses , Oneness Pentecostals and other so-called "Christian" groups. The Trinity doctrine and difference in persons between Christ and the Father rings true for me and most Christians who read and study the bible for themselfs. Note that the only one really agreeing with your beliefs is a quack who doesn't believe in gravity and thinks NASA is a big conspiracy and hates Jews. You've certainly gone off-track somewhere.
Which Gravity theory are you talking about; Newtonian or Einsteinian? Dosen't matter they are both equally flawed, but that is another debate really...
 

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well I might not beable to prove Anything and that is fine. I never figured out why people try to grasp spiritual things by reason of logic.
how can you break down something that you cannot master or create or study for that matter as in a lab setting? see we all Try to figure God out at one point or another but only God can reveal to us that which he would about himself. which is why its important to have a personal relationship with him otherwise all you have is a collection of ideas. how can you proclaim Faith in God if at every turn you Have to understand everything about him logically or Rationally within the limits of the human mind. God is above and beyond us and yet we constantly argue that we know all there is to know about him.
explain to me the logic in Always was because by logic everything has a Beginning and end yet God Always was meaning he did not have a start he just always Was.
or can you explain in detail the proven Facts that he was not and then he was. like the big bang theroy. my point is this if your going to beileve in God be it One God or three Gods in one. in no way can any of it be proven by man made Methods and so leave logic out of it and simply believe. Having faith ties in with trusting God and relying on him for everything but it has to start somewhere. the scriptures say worship God in spirit and in truth.
this is acording to spiritual principle. not something that we have seen work tryied and true to us the scriptures say lean not to your own understanding.
when it all comes down to it we are just to believe in him without proving him. just trust that he is able and that he is all that he says he is and trust that he knows what he is doing and how to do it and none of it is up to us. Rom 12:1-2
12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
KJV
we need to stop trying to put great thought into how God is God and instead focus on the fact that God is God without us and even if we do not believe in him he exsist anyhow. its like this Having to know God by our understanding = carnality Trusting in God without having to know = faith and that in turn responds to spiritual mindedness. my babbling is not important nor are any of yours because none of us can change the truth that God is God. he is spiritual and the only way to accept him is spiritually recieving Jesus in Heart, in thought and in action confessing him lord and remaining faithful to him for all your days. John 4:22-24
23 But the time is coming—indeed it's here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. 24 For God is Spirit , so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth."
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Matt 10:32-33
32 Every one therefore who shall confess me before men, him will I also confess before my Father who is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in heaven.
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Rom 10:9-13
9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. 11 As the Scriptures tell us, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced." 12 Jew and Gentile are the same in this respect. They have the same Lord, who gives generously to all who call on him. 13 For "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
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I can go on and on because for me it really does not make sense any other way than that three Gods are the one God almighty. yet I admit that is my own viewpoint and so I digress. If you get anything get this Rom 14:8-12
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
KJV

Keep Jesus as your focus and I trust that things will work out for you all.
 
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So that is why Oneness has throughout the ages been denounced as heresy? Of course I never said God in person has denounced Oneness, it would help for you to read the text. But He in His infinite wisdom Has shown us the truth of the Trinity that is in Scripture.


Soli Deo Gloria

Phil
The thing is I do not care what man says or denounces, only what God speaks through His word and Spirit matters to me.
 
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So that is why Oneness has throughout the ages been denounced as heresy? Of course I never said God in person has denounced Oneness, it would help for you to read the text. But He in His infinite wisdom Has shown us the truth of the Trinity that is in Scripture.


Soli Deo Gloria

Phil
What man say or denounces does not makes no diference to me, only what God says through His word and Spirit matters
 
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Watchmen's part of the "remnant" don't you know, they always get it right and have the absolute truth these "remnants". We should listen to him, or not. LOL.
 
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If the Father is the Son, and Jesus says that he doesn't know when he's coming back and only the Father knows, does that mean the Father doesn't know when Jesus is coming back, because afterall, the father is Jesus?
 

dscherck

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#1 I am not a modalist.
#2 The Oneness doctrine is the truth of scripture, you are the heretic.
#1. Modalist, monarchianism, Patripassionism. they're all variants of the same idea. Take your pick.
#2. Incorrect. I'm actually the one holding the Orthodox view. The Trinity is the orthodox Christian viewpoint of God. One God, three persons. It's found in Scripture and has been affirmed by several Councils, of which I believe even the Protestants recognize in validity (generally). The Trinity is affirmed in the Athanasian Creed, the Apostles Creed, and the Nicene Creed. So, since I'm holding the orthodox pov, I don't feel the heretic title belongs to me.

Oneness theology is heresy. *shrug*
 
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Watchmen's part of the "remnant" don't you know, they always get it right and have the absolute truth these "remnants". We should listen to him, or not. LOL.
Well at one time in history God sunk billions of people under the ocean and saved eight. Jus' sayin. As far as oneness goes, God is one God, and the bible talks about 3"somethings" (can't pick a word I'll be a heritic for them all lol ) of God. I'm not stradeling the fence, I do profess to believe in a "trinity doctrine." There goes not being a heritic... :)
 
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#1. Modalist, monarchianism, Patripassionism. they're all variants of the same idea. Take your pick.
#2. Incorrect. I'm actually the one holding the Orthodox view. The Trinity is the orthodox Christian viewpoint of God. One God, three persons. It's found in Scripture and has been affirmed by several Councils, of which I believe even the Protestants recognize in validity (generally). The Trinity is affirmed in the Athanasian Creed, the Apostles Creed, and the Nicene Creed. So, since I'm holding the orthodox pov, I don't feel the heretic title belongs to me.

Oneness theology is heresy. *shrug*
If Oneness is heresy according to the ''orthodox'' belief then I gladly accept the title heretic. I would rather be on God's side of the truth than believe what man call orthodoxy.
 

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I have only one thing to say on this subject.

Oneness = Heresy

Soli Deo Gloria

Phil
 
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I have only one thing to say on this subject.

Oneness = Heresy

Soli Deo Gloria

Phil
The opinion of another man, not the opinion of God.

1st Corintinas 4
3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
 
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The opinion of another man, not the opinion of God.

1st Corintinas 4
3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

A nice rebuff, only for the fact that your opinion is not of God! It is strange to say the least, that when someone following an already proven heretical stance they tend to tell people that they are reciting opinion?

Oneness, in its different guises has been shunned as heretical through the ages, and the recent plethora of Oneness revival is no different.

The best lies are built on TRUTH (deception is Satans greatest weapon).

Soli Deo Gloria

Phil
 
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A nice rebuff, only for the fact that your opinion is not of God! It is strange to say the least, that when someone following an already proven heretical stance they tend to tell people that they are reciting opinion?

Oneness, in its different guises has been shunned as heretical through the ages, and the recent plethora of Oneness revival is no different.

The best lies are built on TRUTH (deception is Satans greatest weapon).

Soli Deo Gloria

Phil
God has never denouce Oneness matter of fact His word teaches it. You are right about lies being built on truth. the Trinitarian belief has much truth within it, but it is not truth at all.
 

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God has never denouce Oneness matter of fact His word teaches it. You are right about lies being built on truth. the Trinitarian belief has much truth within it, but it is not truth at all.


So that is why Oneness has throughout the ages been denounced as heresy? Of course I never said God in person has denounced Oneness, it would help for you to read the text. But He in His infinite wisdom Has shown us the truth of the Trinity that is in Scripture.


Soli Deo Gloria

Phil
 
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If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were truly all separate persons ect....like taugh tby Trinitarian then that would make the Holy spirit Jesus' Father.

Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


The Holy Spirit impregnated Mary not the Father (according to the Trinity doctrine at least). So the Father is not even Jesus' Father, the Holy Spirit is.
 
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Question: Does beliving in one speculative interpretation of the nature of GOD, over another speculative interpretation of the nature of GOD something vital for salvation? Do we really need to understand the nature of a completely divine entity in order for Him to love and save us? He was pretty clear about what he wanted from us. To love Him, to love another, and to serve him. Why do we have to try to use our limited knowledge and limited language to try and put discriptive boundaries on something we can't even begin to understand? Maybe God is both, maybe He is Trinity and He is not Trinity. He's God, He can be whatever, whoever, or whenever He wants.
 
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