The End is Near for Dispensationalism - it's cracking apart..

[Locutus]

Read the post above you - I hit post rather than preview so had to edit.

 

[iamsoandso]

Read the post above you - I hit post rather than preview so had to edit.

Just give the FP answer to the question about the mark,AOB ect. lay it out for us Lucy...

 

[Locutus]

Just give the FP answer to the question about the mark,AOB ect. lay it out for us Lucy...

I could quote a few authors - but let's go about this another way.

Answer me this honestly:

If I or some other FP'er could explain to your satisfaction that the mark was a 1st century AD phenomena would you accept FP?

 

[iamsoandso]

I could quote a few authors - but let's go about this another way.

Answer me this honestly:

If I or some other FP'er could explain to your satisfaction that the mark was a 1st century AD phenomena would you accept FP?

well duhh,,,the point is that you cannot,and I know you cannot. This is why I know you are only standing back to back with me with an empty gun.

 

[Locutus]

I thought so...

 

[iamsoandso]

I thought so...

Florus,,,do you know who he was and what Josephus wrote about him? It would kind of snatch the rug out from under FP would it not?


Still waiting for Lucy she's got some tall splainin about that mark...

 

[Bladerunner]

Since nothing of substance has been presented to refute Dispensationalism, it is the opponents of Dispensationlism who have been getting hammered (through self-inflicted wounds).

No serious student of Scripture can deny that God has been dealing with humankind at different times in different ways, but all those who believed God since Abel were justified by grace through faith (Hebrews 11).

Also, no serious student of Scripture can deny that only certain portions of the Abrahamic Covenant have been fulfilled, or that the Rapture of the Church has always been imminent, or that the second coming of Christ will be preceded by the Great Tribulation followed by a stupendous shaking of the heavens and the earth.

What is frequently lacking -- and this is shocking -- is the absence of total honesty by those who attack Dispensationalism. Therefore they resort to ad hominem attacks on genuine Christians such as Darby, Scofield, etc.

Also, while many evangelicals and fundamentalists hold to Dispensationalism, everyone is not in total agreement about everything (and this is not necessarily an issue). For example, many Dispensationalists believe that there was a "Dispensation of Innocence" (Genesis 1 & 2). Well the impression we receive from Scripture is that no sooner had God settled Adam and Eve in Eden than Satan entered into the garden and ruined everything. So was this really a dispensation? The word "dispensation" is equivalent to "stewardship" but we see no stewardship by Adam whatsoever.

Also some Dispensationalists believe in the Gap Theory (a period of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2), but again, there is no evidence of any such gap, or any other creatures on earth before the six days of creation.

However, the fundamental principle of recognizing different covenants (and their related time spans) as different dispensations is sound, and there is no question that Revelation is progressive. That is why we see the tree of life on earth in Genesis, but the same tree of life in Heaven in Revelation. We see the Ark of the Covenant on earth in Exodus and the same Ark of the Covenant in Heaven in Revelation.

Would like to know what your definition is for a couple of your ideas. please.

1. "that only certain portions of the Abrahamic Covenant have been fulfilled"?????????????????

2. "We see the Ark of the Covenant on earth in Exodus and the same Ark of the Covenant in Heaven in Revelation".???????

The Ark of C built here on earth was/is a copy of the original in Heaven. The Bible tells us not to worry about finding the Ark but of something much more valuable...The Mercy Seat.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Would like to know what your definition is for a couple of your ideas. please.

1. "that only certain portions of the Abrahamic Covenant have been fulfilled"?

You will find a fuller explanation of this in the epistle to the Galatians. (a) The coming of Christ as "the seed" of Abraham has been fulfilled (Gal 3:16) and (b) the heathen have been justified by faith (Gal 3:8) as promised to Abraham. However the Land of Promise will be occupied by redeemed and restored Israel only after the second coming of Christ.

2. "We see the Ark of the Covenant on earth in Exodus and the same Ark of the Covenant in Heaven in Revelation".??????? The Ark of C built here on earth was/is a copy of the original in Heaven.

What we see in Heaven is the throne of God (also called the Mercy Seat) with the Cherubim and the Seraphim surrounding the throne. That was the pattern for the Ark of the Covenant. But when Revelation mentions that the Ark of the Covenant is seen in Heaven, it clarifies the issue as to what happened to the Ark of the Covenant. It has not been on earth for a very long time, just like the tree of life. BTW the words "covenant" and "testament" mean the same thing.

Strong's Concordance

diathéké: testament, will, covenant​

Original Word: διαθήκη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: diathéké
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ath-ay'-kay)
Short Definition: a covenant, will, testament
Definition: (a) a covenant between two parties, (b) (the ordinary, everyday sense [found a countless number of times in papyri]) a will, testament.

King James Bible (Rev 11:19)
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

New American Standard Bible
And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.