The End of a Nation

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dcontroversal

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God is consistent....His way of dealing with men, families, nations etc. remains consistently the same based upon his Holy nature and character. For example, when the Northern Kingdom of Israel has sold itself out to pure idolatry God moved against it and destroyed it while using the Assyrians. This is exactly why Jonah did not want to preach to Nineveh, because he knew the prophecies and understood that if Nineveh repented, God would spare them and then use them to destroy the Northern Kingdom. Nineveh was the capital of Assyria....

Fast forward a little over a century and a half, after numerous warning from history and a call to look North and learn a lesson from history, God finally moves against the Southern Kingdom of JUDAH due to spiritual adultery and brings another chapter of history to a close with the Babylonians marching across the land. After three subsequent invasions and a siege that resulted in cannibalism God decimates Southern Kingdom of JUDAH and it is not until some 2,484 years later that Israel is reborn as a nation and recognized in the world as a "STATE"......

What does this have to do with the OP you might ask......or not......

The following verses testify to what GOD would do to this NATION before HE JUDGED JUDAH........and I find it interesting that the same thing is happening to the U.S......Surely, a nation that has allowed the murder of over 65 million babies in the womb, a nation that embraces sexual perversion, a nation that is oppressive for the sake of national interest, a nation that is ostracizing the truth and believers while embracing occultism and satanism, a nation that knew GOD in truth at one time but will not be healed, is not long for judgement......Judgement begins in God's house and this nation is viewed world wide as a Christian NATION in some form or fashion......and history is replete with many nations that lasted a little over 200 years....give or take.

"I will make youths their leaders, and unstable rulers will govern them." The people will oppress one another, man against man, neighbor against neighbor; the young will act arrogantly toward the old, and the worthless toward the honorable.

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. My people, those who lead you cause you to err, and destroy the way of your paths.
 

Zmouth

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Surely, a nation that has allowed the murder of over 65 million babies in the womb, a nation that embraces sexual perversion, a nation that is oppressive for the sake of national interest, a nation that is ostracizing the truth and believers while embracing occultism and satanism, a nation that knew GOD in truth at one time but will not be healed, is not long for judgement.
Listen dude, it is obvious that you don't subscribe to the same values that this Nation was founded upon so you can save your psudeo patrotic rhetoric about this Nation you abhor while hiding behind the cloke of self righteousness because the founding fathers revealed your hypocrisy with the truths declared to be self-evident.

But then again reprobrates don't grasp the doctrine of Christ since they are not subject to principles of truth neither can they be since they are liars from the beginning who refuse to abide in the truth.

So you allowed the murder of 65 million babies in the womb? You embrace sexual perversion? You are oppressive for the the sake of your own interest? So you ostractize the truth and believers which embracing occultism and satanism? So you knew God it truth at one time but will not be healed, and is not long for judgment?

Well buddy, we the People are this Nation so whatever you say about this Nation is nothing more than an honest reflection of one's self, so thank you for letting us see real you.

Not to derail your thread but where did you get that accent, "Surely, a nation"?
 
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Listen dude, it is obvious that you don't subscribe to the same values that this Nation was founded upon so you can save your psudeo patrotic rhetoric about this Nation you abhor while hiding behind the cloke of self righteousness because the founding fathers revealed your hypocrisy with the truths declared to be self-evident.

But then again reprobrates don't grasp the doctrine of Christ since they are not subject to principles of truth neither can they be since they are liars from the beginning who refuse to abide in the truth.

So you allowed the murder of 65 million babies in the womb? You embrace sexual perversion? You are oppressive for the the sake of your own interest? So you ostractize the truth and believers which embracing occultism and satanism? So you knew God it truth at one time but will not be healed, and is not long for judgment?

Well buddy, we the People are this Nation so whatever you say about this Nation is nothing more than an honest reflection of one's self, so thank you for letting us see real you.

Not to derail your thread but where did you get that accent, "Surely, a nation"?
Do what?????
 

Hevosmies

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Those scriptures match USA and Europe to a T!

Good OP! I saw a statistic that said that about 20% of the people who did abortion said they were born-again christians. WOW!
I cant remember the number i'd have to look it up, it was mentioned by a pastor in a sermon.

Regardless, are christians so severely outnumbered that they cant do anything about it? Or do they just not vote?
 

JaumeJ

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The vast majority of citizens of the USA do not have a clue as to the conts of the Bill of Rights and the Constituion. Actually they never did or there would never have been slavery.

The same know nothing of the history of our country yet they tell all what they do not know as truth.

There is a big lie pemeating the populace of the US that they are or have returned to the old ways when the church took care of everyone. This is a very enormous falsehood.

Nowadays they call the democratic party communist, socialist and worse whil exercising a very extreme right wihg, perhaps even fascist, demanor wherever they weild any power.

If people knw their own history, they would know that the most progress for the majority was under the Democratic party. They tended to the health education and welfare of themajority while business and industy thrived.

Yes we are being fed a steady diet of revisionist history but I am on a fst regarding SCH.

These are observations for I have nothing to dow with any party……….theyi have all proved to have evolved into nothing more than self-serv ing, self-appointed elite, all the parties….and not just in the US...…….get ready……..the Beast is near.
 

JaumeJ

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He looks so wise...…..we need more just as he.
 

dcontroversal

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Listen dude, it is obvious that you don't subscribe to the same values that this Nation was founded upon so you can save your psudeo patrotic rhetoric about this Nation you abhor while hiding behind the cloke of self righteousness because the founding fathers revealed your hypocrisy with the truths declared to be self-evident.

But then again reprobrates don't grasp the doctrine of Christ since they are not subject to principles of truth neither can they be since they are liars from the beginning who refuse to abide in the truth.

So you allowed the murder of 65 million babies in the womb? You embrace sexual perversion? You are oppressive for the the sake of your own interest? So you ostractize the truth and believers which embracing occultism and satanism? So you knew God it truth at one time but will not be healed, and is not long for judgment?

Well buddy, we the People are this Nation so whatever you say about this Nation is nothing more than an honest reflection of one's self, so thank you for letting us see real you.

Not to derail your thread but where did you get that accent, "Surely, a nation"?
I suggest you lay off the juice before you post..........!!

P.S. I am no where near your "buddy" PAL......!!
 

dcontroversal

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Those scriptures match USA and Europe to a T!

Good OP! I saw a statistic that said that about 20% of the people who did abortion said they were born-again christians. WOW!
I cant remember the number i'd have to look it up, it was mentioned by a pastor in a sermon.

Regardless, are christians so severely outnumbered that they cant do anything about it? Or do they just not vote?
Good OP for those not blind or ignorant of history.....I see a few are still choking on gnats while swallowing camels whole.......
 

luigi

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I think the U.S. who is part of the G-7 represents one of the seven heads of the beast.
It isn't until one of these heads (the he-goat) in Daniel 8 secedes into four kingdoms (four horns), when the seven headed beast will then comprise the ten horns in Revelation 13. Currently only seven horns (powers), to the seven heads.

Things have to get a lot worse before the beast rises from the sea.
 

trofimus

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Several apocalyptic threads about the U.S. :) If the U.S. are as bad as Sodom, there is one chance - to pray and to be righteous:

"And the Lord said, If there should be in Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole city, and the whole place for their sakes...
...And Abraam said, Will there be anything against me, Lord, if I speak yet once? but if there should be found ten? And he said, I will not destroy it for the ten's sake. And the Lord departed..."

Gen 18:33, Septuagint

What can we learn from that:

a) God is merciful to a sinful city for the sake of few righteous there.
b) God, because of prayers, can lower His requirements.
 

garee

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My Mom raised 9 of us .I can still hear her....."fight nice children" some how that worked we never got into a physical fight (5 boys) practice yes.

Because the kingdom of God is not of this world we have nations of people in respect to when two or three people, a family gather together, in the name of Jesus. In that way the idea of non denominational it is not a truism. To declare as prophecy the incorruptible seed of His word "Christ" the spiritual born again seed . God chose a man named Abram, meaning exalted father (singular) whose father was an Amorite, and mother an Hittite.

When calling him out from the religion of his own family to be used to represent His own self as a type .His name was changed to Abraham meaning; "The father of many" or a multitude nations as denominations or sects. Never in respect to one nation.

When we see the phrase; "Bosom of Abraham" we know he is talking an bout the invisible Holy Place where our unseen God stands alone not seen...…….. but heard by words of His faith .

I think the Holy Spirit would perform that division of the nations to protect his plan of brother not murdering brother(Cain Abel) and to carry it to the end of the plan , or sister murdering sisters because of one religious difference. Not that we should praise our difference but be glad he would find a way for brother and sister to walk together. without murdering each other .As did Saul (asked of God) before he was converted by faith whose name became Paul (little humbled).with a attitude change.
 

dcontroversal

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Several apocalyptic threads about the U.S. :) If the U.S. are as bad as Sodom, there is one chance - to pray and to be righteous:

"And the Lord said, If there should be in Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole city, and the whole place for their sakes...
...And Abraam said, Will there be anything against me, Lord, if I speak yet once? but if there should be found ten? And he said, I will not destroy it for the ten's sake. And the Lord departed..."

Gen 18:33, Septuagint

What can we learn from that:

a) God is merciful to a sinful city for the sake of few righteous there.
b) God, because of prayers, can lower His requirements.
The thread is not necessarily apocalyptic about the U.S. per se.......it is more indicative of the fact that the U.S. is ripe for judgment and when Judah was ripe for judgment the scriptures indicate clearly the type of people that will be ruling and or appointed by God to rule....we see within the ranks of the people who rule us right now the same scenarios and types that were found in every nation or kingdom before they fell....Rome, Greece, and or Judah.......base, foolish, immature, immoral, liberal, etc.............leader against leader and violence in the land precedes a civil war........

And for the MOUTH above (not the poster of who I am replying)......I am a honorably discharged patriotic MARINE that served my country, I fully embraced the ideals, freedoms and rights this country afforded MOST who lived here....having said that MY loyalty is to the KING of HEAVEN and HIS WORD.....and ONLY a FOOL would look at our society today and deny the fact we have grown base and in essence call for the judgment of GOD.......
 

TabinRivCA

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Several apocalyptic threads about the U.S. :) If the U.S. are as bad as Sodom, there is one chance - to pray and to be righteous:

"And the Lord said, If there should be in Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole city, and the whole place for their sakes...
...And Abraam said, Will there be anything against me, Lord, if I speak yet once? but if there should be found ten? And he said, I will not destroy it for the ten's sake. And the Lord departed..."

Gen 18:33, Septuagint

What can we learn from that:

a) God is merciful to a sinful city for the sake of few righteous there.
b) God, because of prayers, can lower His requirements.
Also, Thes 2:6-7 says 'The Restrainer' is holding back the full-on 'lawless one' and when 'The Restrainer'' is lifted then comes the wrath of God because of utter sinfulness.
 

7seasrekeyed

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I agree

yet God is merciful and I find myself praying for His mercy

history is largely forgotten by so many Christians but the same thing is played out over and over and over

we are not above it all

"I searched for a man among them who would build up the wall and stand in the gap before Me for the land, so that I would not destroy it; but I found no one.

Ezekiel 22:30
 

dcontroversal

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Also, Thes 2:6-7 says 'The Restrainer' is holding back the full-on 'lawless one' and when 'The Restrainer'' is lifted then comes the wrath of God because of utter sinfulness.
A good study when the words are evaluated from the Greek

Letteth--> Hold down, retain, seize, possess

Let-->Have or HOLD FAST

TAKEN-->cause to be, come into being, be assembled and or brought forth, to arise, brought to pass

Now read it.....

ONLY HE who know retains or possess will hold fast until he comes into BEING or ARISES

MY view....it is TIME that is restraining......WHO is the power behind the man of sin? SATAN

When the time COMES he will ARISE or COME into being.....the Mystery of iniquity is already at work and has been-->Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome <---they (the leaders) have all been worshiped as gods.....and we know by what JESUS said to the church at Pergamos that ZEUS was SATAN......He has been attempting from day one to be worshiped in a man as GOD, hindered by God because it was not yet TIME......

Just something to ponder.
 

Zmouth

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The vast majority of citizens of the USA do not have a clue as to the conts of the Bill of Rights and the Constituion. Actually they never did or there would never have been slavery.
Actually, forced servitude existed in the world before the United States ever became a Nation. (I get what you are saying, the following is not directed at you or anyone else specificially but rather us all in general)

While other Nations abolished slavery before the United States, the United States Constitution had set a definitive date that would prevent any further importation of human beings as slaves years before any King had issued a decree upon their Kingdom abolishing any human being from being subject of forced servitude to any other human being.

So if this Nation did not prohibit slavery with its Christian majority when had it in it's power, then let us hear the Gospel that affirms that it was not supported by the Christain religions then since they claim that the Word is the same yesterday, today and forever. If they could argue against it then they could argue against it now. And if they argued against then let's hear what they said then since those who claim to know the doctrine of Christ should have no problems showing were forced slavery always was and will always be contrary to the true faith.

If a person doesn't hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then it is little wonder that there is no truth in them.
 

Zmouth

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I suggest you lay off the juice before you post..........!!

P.S. I am no where near your "buddy" PAL......!!
What, you think my commentary on your opinion was inaccurate?
 

dcontroversal

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What, you think my commentary on your opinion was inaccurate?
Obviously....you did not understand my points and you judged me and my motive.........

I posted this just for you a few posts above....

And for the MOUTH above (not the poster of who I am replying)......I am a honorably discharged patriotic MARINE that served my country, I fully embraced the ideals, freedoms and rights this country afforded MOST who lived here....having said that MY loyalty is to the KING of HEAVEN and HIS WORD.....and ONLY a FOOL would look at our society today and deny the fact we have grown base and in essence call for the judgment of GOD.......