The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?

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Jackson123

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1. Jesus dies on the cross.

2. 3 days later is the 1st resurrection, at that time vs 52-53 happen.

3. Jesus ascends to the Father with the 144000, MNMCC, etc.

4. Jesus appears to many, confirming His authority.

5. Acts 1:1-11, Jesus ascends to heaven.

6. Jesus appears to Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus.

7. Jesus comes with clouds of Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem.

8. Jerusalem is destroyed and the times of the gentiles trampling begins Lk 21:20-24, 24. 70 AD (no resurrection in 70 AD)

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1967, Times of the gentiles trampling ends when Israel is restored to military control of Jerusalem.

The resurrection of His coming, the second time unto salvation Heb 9:28, is yet to come. (very close)

Then it is the end 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
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The sign of judgement is the angel measuring.

The number is perfection.

12 X 12 X 1000

1000 complete, all

12 is government, authority,... The 12 Apostles, The 12 Tribes, for example


Each of the 12 tribes complete, 12 X 1000 = 12,000,.......Israel complete 144000, perfect under the authority of Jesus.


It really doesn't matter that much if the number is literal or not, IT IS THE "SPIRIT" of the number that is important.

1. Can you show me the verse that say resurrection happen 3 daya after Jesus die?
Seem to me resurrection not happen 3 day after Jesus day, look like It happen when Jesus cried with a Lord voice

2. About 144000 that you believe AS symbol, you not give me a verse that state 144000 is symbol of perfection.

I think It is only your speculation
 

Bladerunner

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so It is not literally follow Jesus. If your argument is Holy Spirit Will be here, Holy spirit is omnipresent,
How you literally follow one that every where, all you do is not go any where.
I think you are trying to play words with me so this will be the last post on this subject with you.

If the Holy Spirit is everywhere and cannot be seen then He is in another dimension! RIght!,,,, When He steps through that curtain that separates our dimension and the dimension he is in, those present will be able to see him....

Case in point: Jesus suddenly appears among the disciples in the upper room (Luke 24:36, 37) and they were terrified... He did not walk through walls but suddenly appeared. This in itself suggest stepping through a curtain between two dimensions.

This type of appearing will be the way that Jesus will communicate with each of the 144,000 yet not be seen by anyone else.

Since He and the Holy Spirit are everywhere, then wherever the 144,000 are they are there also.

It is the same today. If you are truly reborn in Jesus Christ, He will sent the Holy Spirit to live within you forever everywhere you go.

Hope this helps....
 
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Jackson123

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I think you are trying play words with me so this will be the last post on this subject with you.

If the Holy Spirit is everywhere and cannot be seen then He is in another dimension! RIght!,,,, When He steps through that curtain that separates our dimension and the dimension he is in, those present will be able to see him....

Case in point is Jesus suddenly appear amongst the disciples in the upper room (Luke 24:36, 37) and were terrrified... He did not walk through walls but suddenly appeared.

This will be the way that Jesus will communicate with each of the 144,000 yet not be seen by anyone else.

Since He and the Holy Spirit are everywhere, then wherever the 144,000 are they are there also.

It is the same today. If you are truly reborn in Jesus Christ, He will sent the Holy Spirit to live within you forever.

Hope this helps....
Ok so It mean Holy Spirit in them, so not literally they follow Jesus any where Jesus go

Now can you give me verse that state 144000 are life during the 7 years tribulation?
 

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Ok so It mean Holy Spirit in them, so not literally they follow Jesus any where Jesus go

Now can you give me verse that state 144000 are life during the 7 years tribulation?
REV. 14:1...14 "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads"
 

Jackson123

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REV. 14:1...14 "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads"
The Lamb stood oN the mount Sion is not during 7 years of tribulation, It is after.
 

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lol,I think so too...
In Rev 14 http://images.slideplayer.com/32/9917356/slides/slide_65.jpg this would be the Greek of it,,, in the 4th line from the top there is a word that looks like the English word "Toop" which in Greek translates to "mountian/hill,,,,stood upon ect.", Strong's Greek: 3735. ὄρος (oros) -- a mountain

lol bare in mind your looking at a fragment of rev 13.14 so it's "as thouGH I Cut" off all the letter of the words on one side of the "tear" and then on the other and so what you are seeing is the last letters of one word and the first few of another,,,lol

lol,but it defiantly says "stood upon mount,,,,". lol but then who would know it's not as though I am one who speaks,,Iamsoandso instead.
 
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how many of u here believe that the book of revelation is in chronological order?

proof that its not?

proof that it is?
 

iamsoandso

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hmm,well I dunoh,,,in Revelation 17:8,,,,the beast that was and was not yet is he seems to have already come and at the present tense(at the time the Rev. is given) he was ,,"residing in the pit" now future tense to the time the Rev. he is seen as if he "would ascend up out of it",,(so future tense according to the way the angel says this to John as he saw the matter... hmm unless we remember Revelation 1;19... hmm but what a thing to ponder for another thread,,,
 
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yeah thats an interesting debate even among the brethren who agree on pre-trib rapture. some say chronological some say not.

ahwatukee bro can u chime in on this?
 

iamsoandso

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ok,here's a little more...

If you look at the fragment http://images.slideplayer.com/32/9917356/slides/slide_65.jpg (4th line) and then turn to Revelation 14:1 in your English bibles then what you are seeing is the word #3588 Strong's Greek: 3588. ὁ, (ho, hé, to) -- the and,,,the first 2 letters of the Greek word #3735 Strong's Greek: 3735. ὄρος (oros) -- a mountain and so you have "Toop" (fourth line in the fragment) which is the 8th and 9th words in your English bible,,lol oh but dont forget that the Greek letter Rho looks just like the English word "P",,,lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rho#Greek_Rho_symbols ,,,lol but then I am not one who speaks Iamsoandso,,,
 

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There is something not quit right about your allegations.
Israel was a person, not a place.
Allegations, So where have I claimed Israel is a place?

For the promises were re-promised, also, to Isaac and Jacob, whose name was changed
to Israel. Yes Israel was a person, and he adopted his grandsons, and gave then His name.

“And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in
the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine;

The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be
named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them
grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth” (verses 14-16).

In Genesis 48 Jacob first passed the birthright on to the two sons of Joseph jointly,
Then he spoke of them separately—Manasseh was to become the single great nation;
Ephraim, the company of nations.

The promise of a future great nation and a company of nations, together great for multitude,
rich in national material prosperity,fruits of the ground, possessing the “gates” of the Earth’s
other nations, and spreading north, south, east, and west. As many as like the sands of the sea-
shore, or as the stars above, applies to these lads and the two tribes which sprang from them.

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Then God raised up Moses,When they reached Mt. Sinai, God Himself was their King
and He ruled them by a system of judges. Israel the Nation was both church and state.

We read: the Israelites formed the church in the wilderness,“congregation”Acts 7:38
 

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Ephraim, the ten lost tribes? Judah or Israel?,,,"our father Abraham"?
 

Jackson123

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lol,I think so too...
In Rev 14 http://images.slideplayer.com/32/9917356/slides/slide_65.jpg this would be the Greek of it,,, in the 4th line from the top there is a word that looks like the English word "Toop" which in Greek translates to "mountian/hill,,,,stood upon ect.", Strong's Greek: 3735. ὄρος (oros) -- a mountain

lol bare in mind your looking at a fragment of rev 13.14 so it's "as thouGH I Cut" off all the letter of the words on one side of the "tear" and then on the other and so what you are seeing is the last letters of one word and the first few of another,,,lol

lol,but it defiantly says "stood upon mount,,,,". lol but then who would know it's not as though I am one who speaks,,Iamsoandso instead.
yep, Jesus not stood oN the mount Sion during 7 years tribulation
 

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There was no war with Israel unless Israel was at war with himself.
This tells me a lot, that you know very little about the Nation of Israel in the bible, or
you are just hostile towards that little [current man made nation] of Judahs decendents.

So you never heard of [the house of Judah] and [the house of Israel] ?
Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come
concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
Isaiah 17:7,Psalms 135:4,1 Chronicles 14:2,Isaiah 54:5,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt
very treacherously against me, saith the Lord.

For Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples; and Judah hath multiplied fenced
cities: but I will send a fire upon his cities, and it shall devour the palaces thereof.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow [the house of Israel]
and [the house of Judah] with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
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The sceptre shall not depart from Judah …” (Genesis 49:10).
But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).
For truly, the name “Israel” was named on the sons of Joseph! (Genesis 48:16)
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Moses wrote all the terms of this covenant—this agreement making these ex-slaves
God’s nation—this agreement which also was a marriage covenant,
with the Eternal as Husband, binding the wife (Israel) to obey her Husband.

Then they Rejected God as King as their civil Ruler.(1 Samuel 8) there greatest sin. They
suffered under Saul. They began prospering under King David, and in Solomon’s reign they
reached a considerable state of prosperity. And Solomon’s prosperity turned him to idolatry.

When Solomon’s son Rehoboam became king, he threatened to put still heavier tax burdens
on the people. Thereupon the nation rejected Rehoboam and set up Jeroboam, of the tribe
of Ephraim, as king. This caused division and Judah thereupon seceded. They formed a new
nation—the kingdom of Judah. No longer did they have the national name “Israel.”

Here's a short Bible history on the matter:

1. After Solomon, God split Israel into two kingdoms, one in the south with its capital
at Jerusalem (known as "kingdom of Judah" and "house of Judah"), and the other
in the northern holy lands with its capital at Samaria (known as "kingdom of Israel"
and "house of Israel").

God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be king over the ten tribe house of
Israel at Samaria. Solomon's son Rehoboam became king over the two tribe house
of Judah at Jerusalem. See 1 Kings 11 forward.

2. Jeroboam, king of ten tribe house of Israel setup golden calf worship in two cities in the north, to keep peoples in the north from going down to Jerusalem to worship. He made common priests of the people instead allowing the Levite priests to do their duties as God had setup. Because of this, small portions of the northern ten tribes went south and joined with Judah and Benjamin. The Levites in the north also went down to Jerusalem and joined with Judah and Benjamin.

3. The two kingdoms had war against each other.
And there was war between Rehoboam (king of Judah)
and Jeroboam (king of Israel) all their days. 1 Kings 14:30

4. Because of what Jeroboam had done with setting up idol worship over the ten tribes,
God rent the "kingdom of Israel" from him, bringing the kings of Assyria upon the ten tribes,
and removed them all out of the northern lands to Assyria in the north.

The Behistun Rock in modern day Iraq still stands as a record of the ten tribes
in captivity there, it's a huge carving of several plates upon a mountain side.
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The kingdom of Judah are the ones who became known as the Jews today. (2 Kings 17:18)
Jews are from Jacob (only one tribe)and there not called by the name (Isreal) in the bible .

the house or tribe of Judah” - Judah, or the Jews, Jerusalem as capital. The people of the
kingdom of Israel or [the house Israel], occupying the northern part of Palestine north of
Jerusalem, never were called Jews. In biblical prophecy, it is they—not the Jews—who are
called Israel!

recap of God’s Promises to Abrahams seed, or physical descendants.
¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation.
¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one.
¦Genesis 22:16-18|the birthright nations will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies.
¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven.
¦Genesis 27:26-29 | the birthright nations will become wealthy and rule over other nations.
¦Genesis 28:13-14 | the birthright nations will spread worldwide.
¦Genesis 35:11 | the birthright nations will become “a nation and a company of nations.”
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In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel,
and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land
that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.[Jeremiah 3:18

Israel was established as a nation in 1948. This was a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.
The current nation in the middle east is not the northern tribes of the House of Israel.
But those living there, they are the decendents of Judah, making up the House of Judah.
The Jews are prophesied to lose Jerusalem and the rest of their land in the latter days.

They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation;
that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
 

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lol,I think so too...
In Rev 14 http://images.slideplayer.com/32/9917356/slides/slide_65.jpg this would be the Greek of it,,, in the 4th line from the top there is a word that looks like the English word "Toop" which in Greek translates to "mountian/hill,,,,stood upon ect.", Strong's Greek: 3735. ὄρος (oros) -- a mountain

lol bare in mind your looking at a fragment of rev 13.14 so it's "as thouGH I Cut" off all the letter of the words on one side of the "tear" and then on the other and so what you are seeing is the last letters of one word and the first few of another,,,lol

lol,but it defiantly says "stood upon mount,,,,". lol but then who would know it's not as though I am one who speaks,,Iamsoandso instead.

Mt Sion, Heb 12:22-24.
 

abcdef

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1. Can you show me the verse that say resurrection happen 3 daya after Jesus die?
Seem to me resurrection not happen 3 day after Jesus day, look like It happen when Jesus cried with a Lord voice
Lk 24:1-9, 7


2. About 144000 that you believe AS symbol, you not give me a verse that state 144000 is symbol of perfection.

I think It is only your speculation

You are correct that there is no verse that says "the number 144000 means perfection."

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The thought is related to the measurements of the New Jerusalem in Rev 21:15-17.

Rev 21:27, The New Jerusalem is perfect, nothing that is imperfect, is allowed in the presence of God, to pollute the city or God.

The city is perfect, and the measurements of the city must also be perfect, to be in the presence of God.

Since 144,000, is the measurement of the perfect city of God, 144000, must be the number that is perfect or symbolic of perfection.