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[John146]

In your post 178 you are saying that people till KJV lived without complete and perfect Word of God and it was OK, because His gifts are not equal to everybody. This is how I understand your rather long post, at least.

1. So when it was OK for apostles with their Greek, why exactly do YOU need to use something special and perfect like if YOU were the center of the Universe?

2. How do you prove that KJV is the perfect version and not for example Luther Bibel or Chinese Bible? Why KJV?

God gave them exactly what they needed at the time. How did David live for the Lord? He didn't have the completed word of God? But what David had is exactly what God needed David to have to live for Him. Adam's "Bible" did not contain very much, but what Adam had is every word that he needed to live right with God.

Can you provide facts to prove that it's not the perfect word of God?

 

[hornetguy]

So would you at least admit that what you read and study is not the word of God? Would God's word contain errors? Would the word of God need correcting? Would the word of God not have the right words, every one? At least admit what you've got cannot be considered the word of God but something close but not perfect. At least be honest with yourself and the world that, although you can get the salvation message when reading this book, you cannot trust it completely. Yes?

Absolutely NOT. What I read and study IS the word of God, no matter whether it's the NASB, NLT, ESV, KJV, NKJV, or NIV.

 

[trofimus]

God gave them exactly what they needed at the time. How did David live for the Lord? He didn't have the completed word of God? But what David had is exactly what God needed David to have to live for Him. Adam's "Bible" did not contain very much, but what Adam had is every word that he needed to live right with God.

Can you provide facts to prove that it's not the perfect word of God?

So why do YOU need to have something more than apostles and church had till 1500? What special revelation was added during that time?

Yes, I can prove KJV is not perfect and I have already did, you just always ignored my link
Quick ref - KJV Infallibility Refuted

Can you prove your:
a) theory of (only) one perfect translation
b) theory that it is KJV
?

 

[John146]

Absolutely NOT. What I read and study IS the word of God, no matter whether it's the NASB, NLT, ESV, KJV, NKJV, or NIV.

Exactly my point. They all can't be the word of God when they all say different things and even contain different doctrines.

 

[eph610]

Exactly my point. They all can't be the word of God when they all say different things and even contain different doctrines.

This is such a narrow minded, foolish and absurd comment....

 

[John146]

This is such a narrow minded, foolish and absurd comment....

When it comes to the word of God, I will not be open minded. Eve was open minded. Brother, if you truly believed that you had the perfect words of God without error, you would not be open minded either. You too, would be "narrow minded." You know, it's a good thing to be narrow minded in things of God. Are you "narrow minded" in regards to salvation? Are you open minded in regards to salvation?

 

[Dino246]

So would you at least admit that what you read and study is not the word of God? ...

No. Read the Preface to the 1611 KJV; it clearly refutes this idea.

... Can you provide facts to prove that it's not the perfect word of God?

This is a logical fallacy, known as a burden-of-proof reversal. You claimed that the KJV is the perfect word of God. It is up to you to prove it, not up to your audience to disprove it.

 

[eph610]

When it comes to the word of God, I will not be open minded. Eve was open minded. Brother, if you truly believed that you had the perfect words of God without error, you would not be open minded either. You too, would be "narrow minded." You know, it's a good thing to be narrow minded in things of God. Are you "narrow minded" in regards to salvation? Are you open minded in regards to salvation?

Its gonna be cute watching all you guys at the end of Age, standing there with your little KJV Bibles and telling Jesus how perfect they were and him rolling his eyes at you.....and you guys mistaking it for validation....

 

[John146]

Its gonna be cute watching all you guys at the end of Age, standing there with your little KJV Bibles and telling Jesus how perfect they were and him rolling his eyes at you.....and you guys mistaking it for validation....

Brother in Christ, it doesn't have to come to insults and slander. I believe God has preserved His words for us in the KJV. That's all. I'll defend that position. You defend your beliefs, I'll defend mine. Let's just not go to name calling and remember we serve the same risen Saviour.

 

[eph610]

Brother in Christ, it doesn't have to come to insults and slander. I believe God has preserved His words for us in the KJV. That's all. I'll defend that position. You defend your beliefs, I'll defend mine. Let's just not go to name calling and remember we serve the same risen Saviour.

According to you anyone that reads a different Bible is headed for hell.....because it has other doctrines and stuff in it...and stuff

 

[John146]

According to you anyone that reads a different Bible is headed for hell.....because it has other doctrines and stuff in it...and stuff

That never came from me. Check the record. Different doctrines, yes, but the doctrine of salvation in Christ's death, burial and resurrection can be found in most other versions as well. I would never claim that it doesn't. I apologize if that's what got out of reading my posts.

 

[eph610]

That never came from me. Check the record. Different doctrines, yes, but the doctrine of salvation in Christ's death, burial and resurrection can be found in most other versions as well. I would never claim that it doesn't. I apologize if that's what got out of reading my posts.

ok

 

[fredoheaven]

You can't just throw away the relevant evidence. That's not how it works.

Hi Tin Tin,

Acts1:3 To whom he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

Infallible proofs not fallible proof of men’s opinion as Jesus has shown to his apostles and his followers the many unquestionable evidence regarding him and the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. Here we see not only convincing proof, since one can convince others but is all not the truth. In order the evidence is concrete or proven true, it carries materiality, relevance and reliability of the witness. The prima facie evidence must come out from the words of God. And as the manner of Apostle Paul, he convince his hearers “out of the scriptures” Acts 17:2

Interjecting irrelevant, immaterial and unreliable evidence is useless, baseless and mere hearsay does not adequately substantiate information or assertions and will be dismissed properly. Such case is a waste of time and effort.

God bless you

 

[Tintin]

Hi Tin Tin,

Acts1:3 To whom he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

Infallible proofs not fallible proof of men’s opinion as Jesus has shown to his apostles and his followers the many unquestionable evidence regarding him and the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. Here we see not only convincing proof, since one can convince others but is all not the truth. In order the evidence is concrete or proven true, it carries materiality, relevance and reliability of the witness. The prima facie evidence must come out from the words of God. And as the manner of Apostle Paul, he convince his hearers “out of the scriptures” Acts 17:2

Interjecting irrelevant, immaterial and unreliable evidence is useless, baseless and mere hearsay does not adequately substantiate information or assertions and will be dismissed properly. Such case is a waste of time and effort.

God bless you

Another verse ripped from its context to justify your inane stance. The preface to the 1611 KJV is neither irrelevant, immaterial or unreliable. Nor is it useless, baseless or hearsay to suggest that it's completely relevant to the topic at hand.

 

[fredoheaven]

Another verse ripped from its context to justify your inane stance. The preface to the 1611 KJV is neither irrelevant, immaterial or unreliable. Nor is it useless, baseless or hearsay to suggest that it's completely relevant to the topic at hand.

Well, i do understand yours. But you haven't yet substantiate your claim so far in the NASB is "far more accurate and truthful" than KJB. How is that? What I need is "INFALLIBLE PROOFS" please.

Now let me give you some irrelevance off the topic and how it will goes. You know, you've been here for longer time than me as evidence in your Avatar. You have more rep power than me. You're more in your posts.But count on me, you're still young and tender when it come to this issue. You have nothing to offer but mere opinions.

Okay???....

 

[hornetguy]

Most opinions I've read lean toward the NASB as being the most accurate "word for word" translation....

YMMV, of course.

 

[Tintin]

Well, i do understand yours. But you haven't yet substantiate your claim so far in the NASB is "far more accurate and truthful" than KJB. How is that? What I need is "INFALLIBLE PROOFS" please.

Now let me give you some irrelevance off the topic and how it will goes. You know, you've been here for longer time than me as evidence in your Avatar. You have more rep power than me. You're more in your posts.But count on me, you're still young and tender when it come to this issue. You have nothing to offer but mere opinions.

Okay???....

Ouch. No, that's not okay. There are stupid old people and wise young people. It depends on the person. And facts don't play favourites with people more experienced in their years. While I'm a teachable person, I also have something to offer. I don't care about rep power and all of that stuff. I don't even care much for the NASB translation (because while it's very accurate it doesn't flow well when you read it). There are plenty of studies to back up the claim that the NASB is a more accurate translation than the KJV and there's been 400+ years of biblical scholarship since 1611 to improve upon the KJV translation. It's a no-brainer.

 

[fredoheaven]

Ouch. No, that's not okay. There are stupid old people and wise young people. It depends on the person. And facts don't play favourites with people more experienced in their years. While I'm a teachable person, I also have something to offer. I don't care about rep power and all of that stuff. I don't even care much for the NASB translation (because while it's very accurate it doesn't flow well when you read it). There are plenty of studies to back up the claim that the NASB is a more accurate translation than the KJV and there's been 400+ years of biblical scholarship since 1611 to improve upon the KJV translation. It's a no-brainer.

Yes, something that will not goes well if it is off the topic and irrelevance and I agree age is not the issue when it regards to the interpretation of the Bible. In fact I don't even mention your age in my off topic example and bet your a teachable person. I don't know if this will be accepted by you:

Good day and God bless you!

 

[fredoheaven]

As posted, at least there are thirteen verses out of 29 verses with keywords or phrases which have been updated by the Crossway which may have vindicated the so called “outdated” English of the KJV of 1611.Others will be posted later

Permanent Text (2016) ESV Text (2011)
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Exodus 38:11
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]And for the north side there were hangings of a hundred cubits; their twenty pillars and their twenty bases were of bronze, but the hooks of the pillars and their fillets were of silver.
[/TD]
[TD]And for the north side there were hangings of a hundred cubits, their twenty pillars, their twenty bases were of bronze, but the hooks of the pillars and their fillets were of silver.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Note: This is actually restoration of the word “and” which has been omitted in the ESV Text of 2011, which is a clear vindication of the KJV reading.

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Numbers 14:42
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Do not go up, for the LORD is not among you, lest you be struck down before your enemies.
[/TD]
[TD]Do not go up, for the Lord is not among you, lest you be struck down before your enemies.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Note: A clear vindication of the KJV of using “LORD” and not “Lord”.

 

[hornetguy]

As posted, at least there are thirteen verses out of 29 verses with keywords or phrases which have been updated by the Crossway which may have vindicated the so called “outdated” English of the KJV of 1611.Others will be posted later

Permanent Text (2016) ESV Text (2011)
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Exodus 38:11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]And for the north side there were hangings of a hundred cubits; their twenty pillars and their twenty bases were of bronze, but the hooks of the pillars and their fillets were of silver.[/TD]
[TD]And for the north side there were hangings of a hundred cubits, their twenty pillars, their twenty bases were of bronze, but the hooks of the pillars and their fillets were of silver.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Note: This is actually restoration of the word “and” which has been omitted in the ESV Text of 2011, which is a clear vindication of the KJV reading.

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Numbers 14:42[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Do not go up, for the LORD is not among you, lest you be struck down before your enemies.[/TD]
[TD]Do not go up, for the Lord is not among you, lest you be struck down before your enemies.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Note: A clear vindication of the KJV of using “LORD” and not “Lord”.

THOSE are your "glaring errors" in the ESV??? Grammar and punctuation??

That's it..... I'm going to BURN my copy of the ESV immediately... oh, wait, it's on my Nook... Hmmmmm... I guess I'll just remain a heretic..

Honestly, you KJV only folks are, well... something. When given examples of errors in the KJV, you blow it off as being grammatical or spelling errors, but you are like a chicken on a junebug when a grammatical error is found in one of the "heretical" versions (anything OTHER than KJV)

I suppose everyone has to believe in something.... I think I'll just stick with believing in Jesus, and not worry about whether my translation of the Word was approved by an earthly king.