The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

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Chapter 20 does not say that.

Chapter 20 confirms 1&2 Thessalonians, 1 John 2:18-19 and the Gospels

WAKE UP - Revelation is not giving Day by Day Hour by Hour details.

Jesus replied: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.


Revelation is coded and disguised and only discernable through the Holy Spirit and Scripture and is limited as by His Design.
Nope
It reads just fine.

You are so busted in your " no dead in christ meeting Jesus in the air" theory.

They actually are raised a day later.

Uh huh
 

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Put this to REST ALREADY = I have ALWAYS agreed wit Scripture = His Saints/His Bride are not appointed to God's wrath = NEVER.

CHRIST Comes Pre-Wrath for His Saints

and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

1.) Wait for His Coming
2.) the Resurrection
3.) Delivered from His Wrath
Oh no

You have the dead in Christ raised in rev 20


You erroneously invented it

You are defending it

You are actually teaching and promoting that the saints are raised from the dead a day after the second coming.

No white horses and no meeting Jesus in the air.
 

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Put this to REST ALREADY = I have ALWAYS agreed wit Scripture = His Saints/His Bride are not appointed to God's wrath = NEVER.

CHRIST Comes Pre-Wrath for His Saints

and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

1.) Wait for His Coming
2.) the Resurrection
3.) Delivered from His Wrath
....huh?

You have the dead in Christ ressurrected in Rev 20.

That is way post wrath..

I have always declared post trib rapture doctrine is poorly thought out.

Big time error of omission
 

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....huh?

You have the dead in Christ ressurrected in Rev 20.

That is way post wrath..

I have always declared post trib rapture doctrine is poorly thought out.

Big time error of omission
No, Christ is the Lamb and He brings with Him #1 the Saints #2 the Resurrection #3 the Wrath of the Lamb

This is why HE comes in the clouds = first the Resurrection and Gathering = Acts 1, Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and 2 Thess 2, James 5

Revelation - coded messaging with symbolism intertwined with literal events

Stop trying to figure out what you never will be able to - "It is not for you(anyone) to know" = Day or Hour

Humble yourself like a the Child of God we are to be and HE will give you REST and Understanding.
 

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so you are sticking to the threory that the dead in christ are raised a day after the second coming?

No meeting in the air.

Got it.
Apparently you aren't reading very well. The events in Re 20 occur WHEN Jesus returns to earth. Where did you make up the nonsense about a "day later"??? No one has said that.

Please quit making up stuff.
 

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Nope
It reads just fine.

You are so busted in your " no dead in christ meeting Jesus in the air" theory.

They actually are raised a day later.
Show us your supposed "day later" scenario.
 

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Let's take a peek at the full context and see how dishonest you are.

"What you need to do is address the verses I've laid out to prove my view, and refute my view by proving that they don't mean what they say.

But, you won't do that."

So, you see, you HAVEN'T "done that". You haven't addressed the verses I have shared with you. EVER.


Cop out. Dodge. You "hold back" because you cannot prove the verses mean something other than what they say.


Sure. How about ANY verse that shows Jesus taking believers to heaven.

Let's go. I can't wait for your evidence.
" like manner" acts 1.

What position agrees with that declaration ?
 
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Hi!
Even though the Bible very plainly calls it the First resurrection.
Yes, but what does this mean?

Because this is not a "first time mass" ressurrection

Matt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Matt 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

God Bless!
 

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No, Christ is the Lamb and He brings with Him #1 the Saints #2 the Resurrection #3 the Wrath of the Lamb

This is why HE comes in the clouds = first the Resurrection and Gathering = Acts 1, Matt 24, 1 Thess 4 and 2 Thess 2, James 5

Revelation - coded messaging with symbolism intertwined with literal events

Stop trying to figure out what you never will be able to - "It is not for you(anyone) to know" = Day or Hour

Humble yourself like a the Child of God we are to be and HE will give you REST and Understanding.
You are totally skipping rev 20 where you invented a post wrath , resurrection.

There is no resurrection or second coming after satan is chained.

You made that up.

Pssst...the dead in christ are resurrected and meet him in the air.

Rev 20 setting is AFTER THE AC IS DEFEATED.

BUT ...if you think teaching error is that important...
Go for it.
 

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Hi!


Yes, but what does this mean?

Because this is not a "first time mass" ressurrection

Matt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Matt 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

God Bless!
It is just saying who they are that is sitting on thrones and that they are part of the first resurrection, that happened previously.

Many, many people have fallen into the trap of thinking there is some post wrath resurrection a day after satan is chained.

That dog will not hunt
 

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You are totally skipping rev 20 where you invented a post wrath , resurrection.

There is no resurrection or second coming after satan is chained.

You made that up.

Pssst...the dead in christ are resurrected and meet him in the air.

Rev 20 setting is AFTER THE AC IS DEFEATED.

BUT ...if you think teaching error is that important...
Go for it.
Exactly as Scripture states = "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His Coming." 2 Thess 2

How do you know chapters 19 and 20 are not together as One and are not to be read as separate events.

If you reject your reliance on carnal reasoning and submit unto God = the spirit of error which has blinded, you will flee from you and God will grant you His Holy Spirit to SEE.
 

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The Saints are resurrected at His Coming = Revelation chapter 20 becuase chapter 19 is when HE Comes with the Saints who have died in Him just like it says in 1 Thessalonians 4

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Those on thrones in rev 20.

If you think the resurrection happens then. Them you are post wrath.

Rev 20 setting is post wrath and post 2nd coming, post white horses.
 

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Those on thrones in rev 20.

If you think the resurrection happens then. Them you are post wrath.

Rev 20 setting is post wrath and post 2nd coming, post white horses.
Refer to Post # 894 i made a coreection as i left out 'not' = fixed now
 
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It is just saying who they are that is sitting on thrones and that they are part of the first resurrection, that happened previously.
I know, but it seems as if some believe a ressurrection of the dead, in mass, cant happen until the 1st Ressurrection.
Which makes no sense, scriptture proves that...
 

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Exactly as Scripture states = "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His Coming." 2 Thess 2

How do you know chapters 19 and 20 are together as One and are not to be read as separate events.

If you reject your reliance on carnal reasoning and submit unto God = the spirit of error which has blinded, you will flee from you and God will grant you His Holy Spirit to SEE.
You still contending Rev 20 has a post wrath post white horses resurrection?

If so then they have no chance to meet Jesus in the air.
 
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Good Morning!
How do you know chapters 19 and 20 are not together as One and are not to be read as separate events.
I would ask you the same about the Rapture....
which is clearly a different event......

God Bless!
 

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Exactly as Scripture states = "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His Coming." 2 Thess 2

How do you know chapters 19 and 20 are not together as One and are not to be read as separate events.

If you reject your reliance on carnal reasoning and submit unto God = the spirit of error which has blinded, you will flee from you and God will grant you His Holy Spirit to SEE.
Show me how 19 ends and procede to read into 20.

Show me how they are not sequential and have nothing to do with each other