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GodMyFortress

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Islam God say Jesus is not God
Catholic say Islam god is Abraham God

So to this doctrine is satanic, embrace the god that say Jesus is not God
Well as a Catholic, I can tell you with absolute certainty that Catholics believe in the Trinity, Muslims do not. So the God of Islam cannot be the God of Christianity. I’ve never met a Catholic ever that thinks Islam’s God is the same God we worship.
 

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Well as a Catholic, I can tell you with absolute certainty that Catholics believe in the Trinity, Muslims do not. So the God of Islam cannot be the God of Christianity. I’ve never met a Catholic ever that thinks Islam’s God is the same God we worship.
Did you read ccc 841.

CCc is official catholic doctrine,

I hope you not agree with official catholic doctrine

CCc is Catechism of the Catholic Church, official teaching from Catholic Church, please read ccc841
 

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Did you read ccc 841.

CCc is official catholic doctrine,

I hope you not agree with official catholic doctrine

CCc is Catechism of the Catholic Church, official teaching from Catholic Church, please read ccc841
You have read WAY too much into that. Both Jews and Muslims say that the God they worship is the same one Abraham worshiped. CCC 841 is just acknowledging what Muslims “profess” to believe so that when a Catholic talks about their faith with a Muslim there is a natural starting point for trying to convert them to Christianity.

Since Muslims deny Christ is God, they are not going to heaven. The God they worship is not our God.
 

Jackson123

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You have read WAY too much into that. Both Jews and Muslims say that the God they worship is the same one Abraham worshiped. CCC 841 is just acknowledging what Muslims “profess” to believe so that when a Catholic talks about their faith with a Muslim there is a natural starting point for trying to convert them to Christianity.

Since Muslims deny Christ is God, they are not going to heaven. The God they worship is not our God.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Read one more time.
That is not what you say, there is not word "since they deny Jesus so they aren't go to heaven " in that paragraph so you add and modified your own official doctrine
That is good, you start know how catholic lie to you
 

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841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Read one more time.
That is not what you say, there is not word "since they deny Jesus so they aren't go to heaven " in that paragraph so you add and modified your own official doctrine
That is good, you start know how catholic lie to you
Wow, you had a Catholic explain what something in the Catholic Catechism says and you claim to know better. That is about as ignorant as it gets.

In reality, we know that Jesus Christ is the God of everyone including Muslims. It’s our responsibility as Christians to find ways to convert them, so understanding what faith they “profess” to have is important so we know where to start.
 

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Wow, you had a Catholic explain what something in the Catholic Catechism says and you claim to know better. That is about as ignorant as it gets.

In reality, we know that Jesus Christ is the God of everyone including Muslims. It’s our responsibility as Christians to find ways to convert them, so understanding what faith they “profess” to have is important so we know where to start.
Read one more time. How lie is catholic

Every body can read what it say

Plan of salvation includ...muslim

Than it say why

Because.....adore/ worship.....mankind's judge on the last day/jesus

I am from Muslim country, I know for sure Muslim deny Jesus as God.
So your doctrine is nothing but lie and satanic.
 

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Well as a Catholic, I can tell you with absolute certainty that Catholics believe in the Trinity, Muslims do not. So the God of Islam cannot be the God of Christianity. I’ve never met a Catholic ever that thinks Islam’s God is the same God we worship.
the pope says differently
 

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Read one more time. How lie is catholic

Every body can read what it say

Plan of salvation includ...muslim

Than it say why

Because.....adore/ worship.....mankind's judge on the last day/jesus

I am from Muslim country, I know for sure Muslim deny Jesus as God.
So your doctrine is nothing but lie and satanic.
What you don’t seem to grasp is that statement in the Catechism (CCC 814) comes from the council of Vatican II and that there is a further explanation that Vatican II wrote concerning CCC 814.

NO Catholic believes Muslims can believe what Islam teaches and still go to heaven. I’m not sure you’re aware that Catholics fought 3 holy wars against Muslims.
 

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So you believe your first statement or second?

It seem at first you said Muslim god is not Christian God/jesus
Than you say Jesus is god of Muslim.
I believe both. You don’t believe Jesus Christ is the God of all people, regardless of whether those people accept that truth?
 

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What you don’t seem to grasp is that statement in the Catechism (CCC 814) comes from the council of Vatican II and that there is a further explanation that Vatican II wrote concerning CCC 814.

NO Catholic believes Muslims can believe what Islam teaches and still go to heaven. I’m not sure you’re aware that Catholics fought 3 holy wars against Muslims.
and lost them too.
 

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Wow, you had a Catholic explain what something in the Catholic Catechism says and you claim to know better. That is about as ignorant as it gets.
Not if it's merely recognizing that the official documents supersede the explanations of individual Catholic adherents.
 

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Not if it's merely recognizing that the official documents supersede the explanations of individual Catholic adherents.
Fist off, ccc 814 is not a dogma. It’s a pastoral statement about how we should approach a dialogue with Muslims. Secondly, the church can make statements and provide explanations for the statements it makes. Which is what they did. Third, you cannot be an adherent to Islam and go to heaven.
 

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What does the outcome have to do with the fact that they were fought? Saying Catholics believe you can reject Christianity, accept Islam, and still go to heaven is absurd.
because they fought the war because they lost the power of God by becoming a religious-political power. They abandon the gospel message. and remember the crusaders were not all Christian in the true essence of the word or experience they killed Jews too. In WWII the Pope was very much involved with Mussolini and the holocaust. The many Jewish people still hate them for that.
 

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because they fought the war because they lost the power of God by becoming a religious-political power. They abandon the gospel message. and remember the crusaders were not all Christian in the true essence of the word or experience they killed Jews too. In WWII the Pope was very much involved with Mussolini and the holocaust. The many Jewish people still hate them for that.
You’re something else man. I don’t agree with you obviously. I hope you’re anti-Catholic point of view brings you closer to God.