The Gift Of Tongues

[Blain]

I have been watching some videos on youtube, fighting for the faith, is the channel.
All these big evangelists on tv, getting away with flagrant false prophecy, and all of them supposedly filled with the Holy Spirit, also call themselves speaking in tongues. How does the charismatic churches rectify this?

People like that infuriate me false prophets false tongue and gift users all of them have mno regard to God and have no issue blaspheming the holy spirit by pretending to be working in his power. With no fear of the Lord they just speak with lying tongues speaking for him as if his words are just words, if I give a prophecy or in my poems speak as if God is speaking through me in that moment I just follow the flow and it feels solid in truth at the time it is written even though most of the time I have no idea what I am saying or why but I am always afraid afterwards of if I was just speaking with my own voice or tongue and at the very least if I am acting as a false prophet I accept God's punishment for it because unlike all those disgusting false prophets speakers and users of the gifts yo me his words his spirit and his gifts are holy and sacred and are not to be touched with defiling and lying lips

I don't care if I am a prophet or a teacher or if I am gifted in supernatural gifts and power of the holy spirit I just want him to use me for anything and everything but I think this is also the kind of heart he is looking for in these things after all I find that those who do not seek power or glory are best fit for it. However even in the church today anyone claiming to give a prophecy or speak in tongues or even if they are prophets are often times afraid of acting in their roles because these kind of people have tarnished the calling and thus often times attacked even and especially by other Christians.
I know the fruits of a prophet and have met some on here but also have seen them viciously attacked because of the dogma standards such people have set and most of the time it isn't a thus saith the Lord or God gave me a vision or prophetic dream he tends to speak with a flow the fruits bring joy and life in others and quicken the spirit within others but so many who claim this role have no idea of the signs fruits and role of the prophet and trust me they will be held accountable for every word and while I am a very tender and loving soul I truly hope they recieve double what they did against him this in particular just creates rage in me

 

[JaumeJ]

I have been watching some videos on youtube, fighting for the faith, is the channel.
All these big evangelists on tv, getting away with flagrant false prophecy, and all of them supposedly filled with the Holy Spirit, also call themselves speaking in tongues. How does the charismatic churches rectify this?

It is quite strange that one preaching from a pulpit would suddenly begin to speak in tongues, but perhaps. All I know is I do believe all the gifts remain which are to pass when no longer in use, but I believe that will not occur until the Kingdome comes.
It has been my displeasure to witness in various denomination churches preacher preaching politics, racism, zelophobia, and many other prejudices. Because of this witness, I stopped attending any of the churches I had previously at about the age of fourteen.


I believe the Word, Jesus-Yeshua, God. I know I do not know all the truth of the Word, that is to say, understand all well enough to impart it, but what I have shared with many has brought people to Jesus. I do not rest on that because those works were only through me, not by me. All glory to God, all love to Him and His caldron everywhere, and friend and foe alike. Only when He finishes the work He has begun in each of us will we understand all perfectly and be perfect. Praise God, amen..

 

[throughfaith]

God can cause someone to speak in a language today of course. This makes sense in light of spreading the Gospel to people who don't speak the same language. Do we see this today? Maybe not . Can God do this ? Of course . But the other issue is that signs were for Jews .

 

[Nehemiah6]

Do we see this today? Maybe not .

Let's be honest about this. No one speaks foreign languages supernaturally today. The gift of tongues was meant to be temporary (as Paul already noted), and it was not until the early 20th century that glossolalia came into existence. The Montanists may have also made ecstatic utterances.

 

[Nehemiah6]

"In a certain village in that part of Mysia over against Phrygia, Montanus, they say, first exposed himself to the assaults of the adversary through his unbounded lust for leadership. He was one of the recent converts, and he became possessed of a spirit, and suddenly began to rave in a kind of ecstatic trance, and to babble in a jargon, prophesying in a manner contrary to the custom of the Church which had been handed down by tradition from the earliest times." Eusebius of Caesarea, History of the Church, v. xvi. 7

 

[throughfaith]

Let's be honest about this. No one speaks foreign languages supernaturally today. The gift of tongues was meant to be temporary (as Paul already noted), and it was not until the early 20th century that glossolalia came into existence. The Montanists may have also made ecstatic utterances.

That's a good argument.

 

[jb]

remember, we are to worship the Gift Giver not the gift.

Obviously! Matt 22v37,38

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

So from what I have witnessed, it seems that charismatic churches have the role of the Holy Spirit wrong as well. It's like the Holy Ghost steals the spot (which can not be) light from Jesus. Which is not the truth, Jesus said when the Holy Ghost comes he will lead into all truth, convict of sin and righteousness, and bring Glory to Jesus. Rather they use rules and regulations, laws if you will to establish righteousness, ie the dress code for women and men, spouse many false prophecies, and they glorify the Holy Ghost. This convinces me it is wrong.

 

[Dino246]

That's a good argument.

It's not an argument at all; it's an assertion with absolutely no evidence, with exactly the same validity as "The moon is made of green cheese."

 

[Lanolin]

I guess some people dont gather in cosmoplitan areas and have zero exposire to anybody that speaks a different, unknown tongue.

They must feel its weird, its an everyday thing in cities, really its not that big a deal that some people try and make it to be.

 

[Lanolin]

Put yourself into Jewish peoples shoes for a moment when they lost their langauge, Hebrew and had to learn the langauge of all the countries they were scattered in.
It didnt come natural to them.

 

[JaumeJ]

So from what I have witnessed, it seems that charismatic churches have the role of the Holy Spirit wrong as well. It's like the Holy Ghost steals the spot (which can not be) light from Jesus. Which is not the truth, Jesus said when the Holy Ghost comes he will lead into all truth, convict of sin and righteousness, and bring Glory to Jesus. Rather they use rules and regulations, laws if you will to establish righteousness, ie the dress code for women and men, spouse many false prophecies, and they glorify the Holy Ghost. This convinces me it is wrong.

It seems all named denominations under the umbrella name of Christianity have implemented each's new set of regulations, statutes and commandments, otherwise they would not work so hard on condemning others, and listen to our Savior on having mercy on all in order to receive said mercy. God bless you, good posting always.

 

[throughfaith]

It's not an argument at all; it's an assertion with absolutely no evidence, with exactly the same validity as "The moon is made of green cheese."

Thats not a good comparison. There are plenty of transitions to notice in the scriptures. Some things do cease . I believe certain things accompanied the message at different times for different purposes . We should not have an issue with God dealing with things differently as they apply.

 

[CS1]

Thats not a good comparison. There are plenty of transitions to notice in the scriptures. Some things do cease . I believe certain things accompanied the message at different times for different purposes . We should not have an issue with God dealing with things differently as they apply.

something do cease yet not in the context found in 1cor chapter 12 through 14 . Also we should never assume God will do anything that HE said in HIS word that HE would not do. Because God said HIS word will be accomplished

 

[Dino246]

Thats not a good comparison. There are plenty of transitions to notice in the scriptures. Some things do cease . I believe certain things accompanied the message at different times for different purposes . We should not have an issue with God dealing with things differently as they apply.

The post to which you responded did not present an argument, but you stated that it was "a good argument". Again, it was not an argument at all, regardless of the larger topic under discussion. It was essentially an opinion without any supporting evidence.

Anyway, this isn't the place for a lesson in sound argumentation. However, I would encourage you to do some research on the subject.

 

[Pilgrim]

Paul wrote, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels." 1Cor. 13 and "There are many kinds of voices in the world but none of them is without signification." It becomes impossible as a result for any of us to deny that speaking in tongues (Languages) is not real but the aim and use of all God's gifts is to be the edification of His people. This is why Paul also insists that a message in tongues must be interpreted for the congregation, such interpretation is also a gift of the Spirit so that the tongues speaker is told to pray that he may interpret. 1 Cor. 14. If we do this we will acting in love. It is my belief that every believer can operate each of the gifts at different times and that the Holy Spirit will direct us in the use of these nine gifts mentioned by Paul in 1 Cor. 12. Consider prayerfully.

 

[CS1]

Paul wrote, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels." 1Cor. 13 and "There are many kinds of voices in the world but none of them is without signification." It becomes impossible as a result for any of us to deny that speaking in tongues (Languages) is not real but the aim and use of all God's gifts is to be the edification of His people. This is why Paul also insists that a message in tongues must be interpreted for the congregation, such interpretation is also a gift of the Spirit so that the tongues speaker is told to pray that he may interpret. 1 Cor. 14. If we do this we will acting in love. It is my belief that every believer can operate each of the gifts at different times and that the Holy Spirit will direct us in the use of these nine gifts mentioned by Paul in 1 Cor. 12. Consider prayerfully.

no he did not insist if that was the case he would not have said if there is no interpretation the member id be quiet and speak to himself. The is edification , comfort and building up of for the body and personal edification when you pray read the Bible who does that help mostly? You or those outside your home? The context is corporate worship and individual devotion

 

[Pilgrim]

no he did not insist if that was the case he would not have said if there is no interpretation the member id be quiet and speak to himself. The is edification , comfort and building up of for the body and personal edification when you pray read the Bible who does that help mostly? You or those outside your home? The context is corporate worship and individual devotion

no he did not insist if that was the case he would not have said if there is no interpretation the member id be quiet and speak to himself. The is edification , comfort and building up of for the body and personal edification when you pray read the Bible who does that help mostly? You or those outside your home? The context is corporate worship and individual devotion

no he did not insist if that was the case he would not have said if there is no interpretation the member id be quiet and speak to himself. The is edification , comfort and building up of for the body and personal edification when you pray read the Bible who does that help mostly? You or those outside your home? The context is corporate worship and individual devotion

Dear Moderator you appear to be offended by my comment and while I agree that Paul did use those words If there be no interpreter in the church let him keep silent. in 1 Corinthians 14 I would only ask you to read the whole chapter and allow the theme of edification of the Church to be your guiding principle because I could also be an evanjellyfish an sting with verse 39 which states "Covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in tongues but let all things be done decently and in order. But that is not loving you and the greatest is love. May God bless you for I know you mean well.

 

[CS1]

Dear Moderator you appear to be offended by my comment and while I agree that Paul did use those words If there be no interpreter in the church let him keep silent. in 1 Corinthians 14 I would only ask you to read the whole chapter and allow the theme of edification of the Church to be your guiding principle because I could also be an evanjellyfish an sting with verse 39 which states "Covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in tongues but let all things be done decently and in order. But that is not loving you and the greatest is love. May God bless you for I know you mean well.

not offend at all just disagree I have read the whole chapter and the truth is chapter 12 through 14 are known as unit chapters they are contextually together. the subject matter is the gifts of the Holy Spirit found in chapter 12, the mode of operating them in chapter 13 IN love and the impact of the gifts used properly in chapter 14 they will edify , comfort , and build up.

 

[Pilgrim]

not offend at all just disagree I have read the whole chapter and the truth is chapter 12 through 14 are known as unit chapters they are contextually together. the subject matter is the gifts of the Holy Spirit found in chapter 12, the mode of operating them in chapter 13 IN love and the impact of the gifts used properly in chapter 14 they will edify , comfort , and build up.

Yes I agree concerning these chapters but perhaps see more for the whole first book of Corinthians was written as one complete letter and although it does deal with many matters I believe it should be seen as a unit and not broken down into segments. This perhaps is the weakness of exegesis that we are only able to deal with small portions at a time as I said in my introduction to the group I believe we can disagree and yet still talk it over that was something I learned through the time of revival in Rhodesia. You have got a good grasp of this subject for truly chapter 12 gives us an understanding of the Trinity at work in the Church, with the 5 ministry gifts of our Lord Jesus Christ (better explained in Ephesians 4), the operations of the Father (better understood in Romans 12) and the gifts of the Spirit clearly listed here. With the operation of all through faith hope and love, of which the most important is love and the purpose which is edification, exhortation and comfort. Thank you for your encouragement.