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In 2Cor5, Paul is talking about our bodies when he speaks of "if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved" (referring to "death" of the body [of a believer, of course, per context]), then says, "2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven "... surely it is not meaning that it is "from or located in our heart," right? 
Heb 12:
18For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom, and storm; 19to a trumpet blast or to a voice that made its hearers beg that no further word be spoken. 20For they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned.”b21The sight was so terrifying that even Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”c
22Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels 23in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the judge of all men, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
Paul doesn't seem to be talking about some place in space but a spiritual place right there with them.
David has described this place in Psalms 103 and it is no other place than his own soul.
TheDivineWatermark said:
In 2Cor5, Paul is talking about our bodies when he speaks of "if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved" (referring to "death" of the body [of a believer, of course, per context]), then says, "2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven "... surely it is not meaning that it is "from or located in our heart," right?
In 2Cor5, Paul is talking about our bodies when he speaks of "if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved" (referring to "death" of the body [of a believer, of course, per context]), then says, "2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven "... surely it is not meaning that it is "from or located in our heart," right?
I'm referring to Hebrews and many other places, even 2 Cor 5:2 doesn't say heaven is some place in the space far from earth, it just draws a distinction between heaven and earth but the distinction is mainly the temporariness of earth and all that is from earth and eternalness of heaven and everything from that is of heaven.
2 Cor 5:1Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is dismantled, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2For in this tent we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4So while we are in this tent, we groan under our burdens, because we do not wish to be unclothed but clothed, so that our mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5And God has prepared us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a pledge of what is to come.
Eph 2:21In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in Himyou too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.
1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.
1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people."
The eternal house in heaven being spoken of by Paul in 2 Cor 5 is nothing more than the hearts of living believers.
Eph 2:21In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in Himyou too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.
1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.
1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people."
The eternal house in heaven being spoken of by Paul in 2 Cor 5 is nothing more than the hearts of living believers.
Okay, so in Acts 1:10, where it says, "And as they were looking intently into heaven as He was going [G4198 - poreuomenou ] , then behold, two men in white apparel stood by them," this was well after His "[bodily] resurrection"...
and G4198 seems to carry the meaning of "journeying, traveling [/went]" (as opposed to when He had, some 40 days earlier ON FIRSTFRUIT/His Resurrection Day [well after His resurrection later that evening (so already having His resurrection-body)], "VANISHED" out of their sight [of the two Emmaus-road walkers, when He sat with them to eat, Lk24]). If that had been the case (in the Acts 1 setting), I could maybe follow your point, but Scripture distinguishes these clearly.
and G4198 seems to carry the meaning of "journeying, traveling [/went]" (as opposed to when He had, some 40 days earlier ON FIRSTFRUIT/His Resurrection Day [well after His resurrection later that evening (so already having His resurrection-body)], "VANISHED" out of their sight [of the two Emmaus-road walkers, when He sat with them to eat, Lk24]). If that had been the case (in the Acts 1 setting), I could maybe follow your point, but Scripture distinguishes these clearly.
The word heavens as used in the bible would carry two meanings;
1. The space above the earth's atmosphere
2. The heart of a believer
The bible doesn't loose the first meaning which was in the beginning - as in when God created the heavens and the earth maybe because there was no other word to describe space. In the new covenant, heaven majorly describes the heart of a believer which is also God's dwelling place forever. We are told the heavens and earth will pass away- this doesn't mean God's dwelling place will pass away together with the earth, God dwell's in the heart of a man and this shall be forever.
I agree with you that in Acts 1:10, space above earth is being described as heaven but this only because maybe there's no other word to describe space and from the context we can clearly tell that it is talking about space, the same space that was created in the beginning when it is said God created the heavens and the earth.
1. The space above the earth's atmosphere
2. The heart of a believer
The bible doesn't loose the first meaning which was in the beginning - as in when God created the heavens and the earth maybe because there was no other word to describe space. In the new covenant, heaven majorly describes the heart of a believer which is also God's dwelling place forever. We are told the heavens and earth will pass away- this doesn't mean God's dwelling place will pass away together with the earth, God dwell's in the heart of a man and this shall be forever.
I agree with you that in Acts 1:10, space above earth is being described as heaven but this only because maybe there's no other word to describe space and from the context we can clearly tell that it is talking about space, the same space that was created in the beginning when it is said God created the heavens and the earth.
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Thats the great white throne judgment
Believers will not be at that judgment, Only death and hades are there, and everyone who goes is sent to eternal death
They go through the Bema Seat judgment of 1 cor 3. This happens after the ressurection, And would need to be done BEFORE the return of Christ.
Believers will not be at that judgment, Only death and hades are there, and everyone who goes is sent to eternal death
They go through the Bema Seat judgment of 1 cor 3. This happens after the ressurection, And would need to be done BEFORE the return of Christ.
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^ Adstar, the following quote is from a post I made awhile back, but the two passages supplied are speaking of the point in time of His Second Coming to the earth (with a time period which follows)… So my point in the past posts has been, that ALL "saints" (of ALL time periods) will have been "resurrected" BY [the time of] and IN ORDER to be present FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom upon its commencement (commencing upon His Second Coming to the earth; meaning ALL "saints" will have been "resurrected" by that point, to enjoy it [not saying all saints are resurrected at that moment, mind you]), so here is that [partial] quote:
[quoting]
"... note additionally the TWO "PUNISH" words which are SEPARATED by "and after many days" (meaning, "punish" not only at His Second Coming to the earth BUT ALSO the later GWTj [the TWO "punish" words in Isa24:21-22(23)]) and correlating [time-wise] with that of Revelation 19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 at the time (context/setting) of His Second Coming to the earth. Meaning, there is still much "time" that will transpire on the earth following His Second Coming to the earth. So the verse that states "that there should be time no longer" simply means no more delay, not that it is indicating the cessation of "time" for we see that "time" continues on into the 1000 years (aka the "and AFTER MANY DAYS" of the parallel Isa24:21-23 passage)]"
[end quoting that post, which (keep in mind) was in the context of a different convo]
As ALL "saints" are resurrected by the time of the START of the MK age, and some [saints/the righteous only, of course] ENTER it in mortal bodies capable of bearing children/reproducing--(this is a separate set of passages that could be supplied, and have been--but their children and grandchildren [etc] are not "BORN automatically righteous/saved" and only the rebellious [/unsaved] DIE during the MK age, as death will be much more rare...), this leaves ONLY "the dead [/unsaved dead, and the unsaved-dead OF ALL TIMES]" to be present for the GWTj, and this is what we see in the wording of: "[the sea...death and hell] gave up the dead" in Rev20:13 [GWTj context]
This is all I have time for at the moment, but I hope it helps you see that perspective.
[quoting]
"... note additionally the TWO "PUNISH" words which are SEPARATED by "and after many days" (meaning, "punish" not only at His Second Coming to the earth BUT ALSO the later GWTj [the TWO "punish" words in Isa24:21-22(23)]) and correlating [time-wise] with that of Revelation 19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 at the time (context/setting) of His Second Coming to the earth. Meaning, there is still much "time" that will transpire on the earth following His Second Coming to the earth. So the verse that states "that there should be time no longer" simply means no more delay, not that it is indicating the cessation of "time" for we see that "time" continues on into the 1000 years (aka the "and AFTER MANY DAYS" of the parallel Isa24:21-23 passage)]"
[end quoting that post, which (keep in mind) was in the context of a different convo]
As ALL "saints" are resurrected by the time of the START of the MK age, and some [saints/the righteous only, of course] ENTER it in mortal bodies capable of bearing children/reproducing--(this is a separate set of passages that could be supplied, and have been--but their children and grandchildren [etc] are not "BORN automatically righteous/saved" and only the rebellious [/unsaved] DIE during the MK age, as death will be much more rare...), this leaves ONLY "the dead [/unsaved dead, and the unsaved-dead OF ALL TIMES]" to be present for the GWTj, and this is what we see in the wording of: "[the sea...death and hell] gave up the dead" in Rev20:13 [GWTj context]
This is all I have time for at the moment, but I hope it helps you see that perspective.
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I gave scripture..
1 cor is the passage on our trial by fire. If our work endures we will recieve reward. if it does not. It will burn, but even so, we will be saved even as through fire
Rev assage says death and hades were delivered to christ for judgement.
A child of God is not dead, He has been made alive, And he is not in hades, that is the place for the dead.
All who go to the great white throne judgment of Rev are cast into hell
But just in case you do not want to look it up.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.,
Notice is says they were delivers. Jesu ssaid he will raise us up. Not have us delievered to him. No believers will be at this judgment.
1 cor is the passage on our trial by fire. If our work endures we will recieve reward. if it does not. It will burn, but even so, we will be saved even as through fire
Rev assage says death and hades were delivered to christ for judgement.
A child of God is not dead, He has been made alive, And he is not in hades, that is the place for the dead.
All who go to the great white throne judgment of Rev are cast into hell
But just in case you do not want to look it up.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.,
Notice is says they were delivers. Jesu ssaid he will raise us up. Not have us delievered to him. No believers will be at this judgment.
