THE HOLY SPIRIT IS AN ANGEL!?!?
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I would never blashemy the Holy Spirit. Atleast intentionally. Let's use common sense. I say that the Holy Spirit is an angel. Not just any angel but the angel who bares the Word of God. But if it is an angel, then that would mean possession! But by your own definition, a being, who is NOT AN ANGEL but God manifested as the Holy Spirit, is the one who dwells within us! Is that not also POSSESSION! HEAVEN FORBID! FOR WE MUST LET THE BIBLE INTERPRET ITSELF! We are told in Exodus about the Lord's wonders in the land of Egypt and how He used His mighty Hand to do it!
Exodus 7:19
And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and stretch out thine hand upon the waters of Egypt, upon their streams, upon their rivers, and upon their ponds, and upon all their pools of water, that they may become blood; and that there may be blood throughout all the land of Egypt, both in vessels of wood, and in vessels of stone.
Exodus 8:16
And the LORD said unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch out thy rod, and smite the dust of the land, that it may become lice throughout all the land of Egypt.
Exodus 9:13-18
And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
14For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth. 15For now I will stretch out my hand, that I may smite thee and thy people with pestilence; and thou shalt be cut off from the earth.
Exodus 9:22-24
And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch forth thine hand toward heaven, that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, upon man, and upon beast, and upon every herb of the field, throughout the land of Egypt.
23And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the LORD rained hail upon the land of Egypt. 24So there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation.
We see that through Moses, the Lord executed all His plagues upon Egypt. But how did the Lord do it? Was this the manifestation of the Holy Spirit you were talking about? The Bible explains it!
Psalms 78: 43-49
How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink.
45He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts. 49He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, BY SENDING EVIL ANGELS AMONG THEM.
What does it mean to be filled with the Spirit. Let us let the Bible determine that. Let me give some examples:
Ezekiel 2:1-7
And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.
2And the spirit entered into me WHEN HE SPAKE UNTO ME, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.
The spirit entered upon hearing the Word spoken by God.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.
4For they are impudent children and stiffhearted. I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD.
5And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them.
6And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. 7AND THOU SHALT SPEAK MY WORDS UNTO THEM, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.
He was then told to speak the words of God.
8But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
9And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; 10And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.
He was told to hear what God said to him. To OPEN HIS MOUTH AND EAT WHAT GOD HAD GIVEN HIM!
And he beheld, a hand was sent to him that held a BOOK, written within and without. And there was written therein lamentations, mourning, and woe. Was this some strange hand detatched from a body? NO! This was an angel!
Ezekiel 3:1-4
Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
2So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. 4And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.
Have YOU ever tried to EAT a book? Ezekiel was told to eat and fill his bowels with the roll given him. He did eat and that it was in his mouth as honey for sweetness. Then he was told to SPEAK HIS WORDS UNTO THEM!
SO TO HAVE THE SPIRIT ENTER INTO YOUR LIFE IS SIMPLY TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD.
TO BE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT( AS EZEKIEL WAS TOLD TO FILL HIS BOWELS) IS TO READ OR TO TAKE IN KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORD OF GOD. IT WAS IN HIS MOUTH AS SWEET AS HONEY BECAUSE BECAUSE THE WORD OF GOD IS LIFE! THE HAND WHO HAD GIVEN EZEKIEL THE BOOK TO EAT WAS AN ANGEL, WHO WAS SENT AFTER HEARING THE WORD OF GOD!
Now I admit that what I wrote, might be misinterpriting in a sense that Gabriel is NOT the Comforter mentioned by Jesus. But we know that the physical was written to teach us the spiritual! Gabriel said in Daniel 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of TRUTH: and there is NONE that holdeth with me in these things (SCRIPTURE OF TRUTH), but MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE.
In Joshua 5:13-15
And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, AND DID WORSHIP, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, LOOSE THY SHOE FROM OFF THY FOOT;FOR THE PLACE WHEREON THOU STANDETH IS HOLY. And Joshua did so.
Acts 7:35
This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the HAND OF THE ANGEL which appeared to him in the bush.
This angel DID ACCEPT WORSHIP! Why? Because he spoke not of himself! He was God's spiritual spokesman on earth! The angel in the burning bush told Moses that he was on Holy ground and spoke as the Lord. This angel who called himself the Captain of the Lord's host told Joshua the same.
The word, Angel, can't mean two different things. And if this Angel is indeed Michael our prince then what does that tell us? That Michael is Jesus? Heaven forbid! For which of the angels did the Father have to sit at His right hand? We must then see this angel for what he is. In the Old testament YHWH said that his name was in Him. In the New testament Yeshua said He came in the Father's name as well. Yeshua is NOT an angel. The Spirit of Truth is now given more abundantly because this same angel NOW COMES IN THE NAME OF THE SON, YESHUA! HIS NAME MEANS YHWH'S SALVATION! As it is Yeshua who defeats the evil kings and armies on this earth, it is MICHAEL who goes to war with Satan and his army in Heaven. They are two seperate beings!
Exodus 7:19
And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and stretch out thine hand upon the waters of Egypt, upon their streams, upon their rivers, and upon their ponds, and upon all their pools of water, that they may become blood; and that there may be blood throughout all the land of Egypt, both in vessels of wood, and in vessels of stone.
Exodus 8:16
And the LORD said unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch out thy rod, and smite the dust of the land, that it may become lice throughout all the land of Egypt.
Exodus 9:13-18
And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
14For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth. 15For now I will stretch out my hand, that I may smite thee and thy people with pestilence; and thou shalt be cut off from the earth.
Exodus 9:22-24
And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch forth thine hand toward heaven, that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, upon man, and upon beast, and upon every herb of the field, throughout the land of Egypt.
23And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the LORD rained hail upon the land of Egypt. 24So there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation.
We see that through Moses, the Lord executed all His plagues upon Egypt. But how did the Lord do it? Was this the manifestation of the Holy Spirit you were talking about? The Bible explains it!
Psalms 78: 43-49
How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.
44And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink.
45He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
46He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.
47He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.
48He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts. 49He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, BY SENDING EVIL ANGELS AMONG THEM.
What does it mean to be filled with the Spirit. Let us let the Bible determine that. Let me give some examples:
Ezekiel 2:1-7
And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.
2And the spirit entered into me WHEN HE SPAKE UNTO ME, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.
The spirit entered upon hearing the Word spoken by God.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.
4For they are impudent children and stiffhearted. I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD.
5And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them.
6And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. 7AND THOU SHALT SPEAK MY WORDS UNTO THEM, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.
He was then told to speak the words of God.
8But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.
9And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; 10And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.
He was told to hear what God said to him. To OPEN HIS MOUTH AND EAT WHAT GOD HAD GIVEN HIM!
And he beheld, a hand was sent to him that held a BOOK, written within and without. And there was written therein lamentations, mourning, and woe. Was this some strange hand detatched from a body? NO! This was an angel!
Ezekiel 3:1-4
Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
2So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. 4And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.
Have YOU ever tried to EAT a book? Ezekiel was told to eat and fill his bowels with the roll given him. He did eat and that it was in his mouth as honey for sweetness. Then he was told to SPEAK HIS WORDS UNTO THEM!
SO TO HAVE THE SPIRIT ENTER INTO YOUR LIFE IS SIMPLY TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD.
TO BE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT( AS EZEKIEL WAS TOLD TO FILL HIS BOWELS) IS TO READ OR TO TAKE IN KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORD OF GOD. IT WAS IN HIS MOUTH AS SWEET AS HONEY BECAUSE BECAUSE THE WORD OF GOD IS LIFE! THE HAND WHO HAD GIVEN EZEKIEL THE BOOK TO EAT WAS AN ANGEL, WHO WAS SENT AFTER HEARING THE WORD OF GOD!
Now I admit that what I wrote, might be misinterpriting in a sense that Gabriel is NOT the Comforter mentioned by Jesus. But we know that the physical was written to teach us the spiritual! Gabriel said in Daniel 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of TRUTH: and there is NONE that holdeth with me in these things (SCRIPTURE OF TRUTH), but MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE.
In Joshua 5:13-15
And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, AND DID WORSHIP, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, LOOSE THY SHOE FROM OFF THY FOOT;FOR THE PLACE WHEREON THOU STANDETH IS HOLY. And Joshua did so.
Acts 7:35
This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the HAND OF THE ANGEL which appeared to him in the bush.
This angel DID ACCEPT WORSHIP! Why? Because he spoke not of himself! He was God's spiritual spokesman on earth! The angel in the burning bush told Moses that he was on Holy ground and spoke as the Lord. This angel who called himself the Captain of the Lord's host told Joshua the same.
The word, Angel, can't mean two different things. And if this Angel is indeed Michael our prince then what does that tell us? That Michael is Jesus? Heaven forbid! For which of the angels did the Father have to sit at His right hand? We must then see this angel for what he is. In the Old testament YHWH said that his name was in Him. In the New testament Yeshua said He came in the Father's name as well. Yeshua is NOT an angel. The Spirit of Truth is now given more abundantly because this same angel NOW COMES IN THE NAME OF THE SON, YESHUA! HIS NAME MEANS YHWH'S SALVATION! As it is Yeshua who defeats the evil kings and armies on this earth, it is MICHAEL who goes to war with Satan and his army in Heaven. They are two seperate beings!
L
It is obvious He is not and angel, usually these strange beliefs come about because someone is off track in some weird way to begin with and then use scripture to defend their position, and they are rarely under any godly leadership or have accountabilty with anyone, if they were they would be able to discuss these kinds of topics with a teachable spirit and listen to reason instead of holding a position that is totally illogical and strange. I cant ephasize enough the need to be submitted to leadership and in Godly order. Thats how we get into delusion and get lost...theres safety i numbers 
It is obvious He is not and angel, usually these strange beliefs come about because someone is off track in some weird way to begin with and then use scripture to defend their position, and they are rarely under any godly leadership or have accountabilty with anyone, if they were they would be able to discuss these kinds of topics with a teachable spirit and listen to reason instead of holding a position that is totally illogical and strange. I cant ephasize enough the need to be submitted to leadership and in Godly order. Thats how we get into delusion and get lost...theres safety i numbers
Well, if u so have the spirit to teach, then I have the spirit to learn! I am listening.....
The Holy Spirit is not a angel. The Father- the Son- the Holy Spirit they are all God. The Holy Spirit is God that can live right inside of you if you believe in Jesus. Jesus is sitting up in heaven next to the Father. The Holy Spirit God is inside of the believers. Angels are angels. People are people. When people die and go to heaven they don't turn into angles as many people believe. God 3 in one- people and angels.
S
I believe that is 'Lifelike's point, my friend. You are the teacher here. A significant amount of scriputure and opinion has been posted. You have not come to learn, but to teach.
The belief that Gabriel is the Holy Sprit is Islamic belief. I have supported that with references from the Quran, in my previous post.
The belief that Michael the Arch Angel is Jesus, is the belief of Jehovahs Witnesses.
Anyone with access to a library or computer, can find these things easily. If you were Christian, you would reject heretical suggestions such as these, as these beliefs are not consistent with the fundamental teachings of Christianity. This may not be the 'blasphemy of the Holy Ghost' referred to by Jesus, in Matthew 12:31, but it is both heresy and blasphemy.
I will not say that you are a muslim, or that you are JW, but I will say that while you claim to have a belief in a god, your teachings do not support that Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, is your Lord. I have often wondered what a conversation would be like if I had ever invited one of those young men with the white shirts and black ties, carrying their 'watch tower' publications, into my home. I suppose the content would be much like what is being discussed here.
One who is unsure, 'searches'. One who is sure, 'teaches'. You, my friend, are both defending and teaching a very heretical belief system, which attempts to remove both the Holy Spirit and Jesus from their place in the Trinity. If you are concerned about your spiritual wellbeing, in the slightest, I strongly recommend turning from this false, pluralistic belief system and submitting to the truth that has already been provided.
The fact that you introduced your belief, that the Holy Spirit is an angel, as a question from someone seeking understanding, only to later reveal a 2nd belief that Jesus is also an angel, reveals an agenda.
The belief that Gabriel is the Holy Sprit is Islamic belief. I have supported that with references from the Quran, in my previous post.
The belief that Michael the Arch Angel is Jesus, is the belief of Jehovahs Witnesses.
Anyone with access to a library or computer, can find these things easily. If you were Christian, you would reject heretical suggestions such as these, as these beliefs are not consistent with the fundamental teachings of Christianity. This may not be the 'blasphemy of the Holy Ghost' referred to by Jesus, in Matthew 12:31, but it is both heresy and blasphemy.
I will not say that you are a muslim, or that you are JW, but I will say that while you claim to have a belief in a god, your teachings do not support that Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, is your Lord. I have often wondered what a conversation would be like if I had ever invited one of those young men with the white shirts and black ties, carrying their 'watch tower' publications, into my home. I suppose the content would be much like what is being discussed here.
One who is unsure, 'searches'. One who is sure, 'teaches'. You, my friend, are both defending and teaching a very heretical belief system, which attempts to remove both the Holy Spirit and Jesus from their place in the Trinity. If you are concerned about your spiritual wellbeing, in the slightest, I strongly recommend turning from this false, pluralistic belief system and submitting to the truth that has already been provided.
The fact that you introduced your belief, that the Holy Spirit is an angel, as a question from someone seeking understanding, only to later reveal a 2nd belief that Jesus is also an angel, reveals an agenda.
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Repent and all will be well. When bad teachings get onto us it is a job to get that out of you. I deal with false teaching all the time. Strong believing Christians who have some falsehood embedded into them from years and years of the false teaching. We are warned of this and we must make sure what we learn is from the word.
Truthseeker, Have you repented of your sin and asked for Gods forgiveness through the blood shed in Christ Jesus for you? Once you acknowledge and receive Christ as your salvation then and only then will you fully understand what is meant by being indwelled by the Holy Spirit. This is not posession because He does not control us. This is not posession because we willfully ask Christ to indwell us. We are still fully and completely in control but the Spirit convicts us.... YOu in no way can understand this as just words on paper or on a screen. You need to receive it and partake in it to understand. I applaud songster, lifelike, pastor Keith and others who have tried to articulate this to you. This is something that learning can not explain... spiritual matters are spiritually discerned. I pray one day you will be in a place where you are open to receiving the gift of salvation given by the Lord & Savior Christ Jesus and the gift of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the fullness of life received upon accepting Jesus as Lord and truly discovering God in a way that is not just words on a page but an existance altering transformation. Peace in Christ be with you...Praise the Lord!
Why do I need prayer (although all of us need prayer in something), because I simply state what the Bible says? whether I'm right or wrong atleast it's articulated by the Bible. Am I arrogant or pridefull when I ask what does it mean to have the Holy Spirit dwell in us when the Bible says that we were told all things? Am I wrong for questioning the status quo? I pray for understanding and read this book almost everyday. And when Im not reading, I meditate on it continuously. I ask your definition in all humility. What does it mean to have the Holy Spirit dwell in you/
L
When a person receives Jesus Christ they are quickened in their spirit and made alive, alive to God, able to know God again, to commune with Him. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, the power of God that comes to dwell within the believer. But He is also the person of God. He makes it possible for us to commune with the Father and with Jesus, and sheds the love of God abroad in our hearts. Just like we have a spirit, soul and a body, the Holy Spirit is Christs Spirit and knows all things and teaches us all things, He searches the depth of God, where no man can Go so the we can know the truth, he reveals Jesus to us. This all takes place on the inside of us, it is not an external experience although what He does within us affect the natural realm and is the power of God to change external things. Obviously there is slot more to this and slot of scripture to back it all up but there's a start
To a christian that would be a beautiful definition. And really, Im not trying to sound arrogant or boastful in any way, but most christians I know say something similar. But how does defining the meaning of the Holy Spirit dwelling in you by simply changing the name to the Spirit of Christ? Does the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Christ trully know all things? Is He really the person of God? Does all of this take place only on the inside of a person?
John 16:13
13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
In this verse, the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of Truth. he is to guide us unto all truth. We also see that he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear. It was the same with Jesus. He also did not speak of Himself but what He heard from the Father.
John 14:15-18
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for \
er;
17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Now we are told that if we love Him to keep his commandments. He didn't say simply believe! But After keeping his commandments He prays to the Father to send ANOTHER Comforter to abide with us forever.
Again, he is called the Spirit of Truth whom the world (who does not keep the commandments of God) cannot receive. "but ye know him (because they keep the commandments); for he dwells WITH YOU, AND SHALL BE IN YOU. He states that He won't leave us comfortless and that HE will come for us. So what happened to sending ANOTHER COMFORTER?
John 14:25-26
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME, he shall teach you all things, and bring ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Now we see what HE meant by saying that He (Jesus) would come. When Jesus came, He did in His Father's Name. Now when He leaves we see that Jesus is sending another that would be sent in His (Jesus) Name.
He would bring ito remembrance ALL THINGS THAT JESUS SAID TO THEM.
You said that when the Spirit enters us that we are quickened and made alive. But it has to be more of a meaning than simply having the Spirit of Christ in you.
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE.
So now the picture becomes a little clearer. Jesus says that His words are Spirit, that they are Life and that it is THIS Spirit that Quicken a man!
So on earth, Jesus Had this Spirit of Truth dwell in Him which were simply the Words that He Spoke! Simply put, Jesus was born of the TRUE Word of God to speak the TRUE Word of God to people.
His Words is the Spirit of Truth but He said that when He left that He would send the Spirit of Truth that dwelled in ANOTHER COMFORTER. This Comforter would Not speak of himself but only what he heard. And coming in Jesus' Name now gives he the Authority as if he was Jesus Himself. But how does that Spirit of Truth get sent to man?
Exodus 23:20-22
20Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: FOR MY NAME IS IN HIM. 22But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and I will be an adversary unto thine adversaries.
Please don't be stubborn as they were in the wilderness towards this Angel whis is the Spirit of Truth. In Exodus He spoke as if he was God himself because God's name was in him.
Isaiah 63:8-10
For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. 10But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth it was an angel who was the messenger of it.
This angel abides with us after we obey the commandments and directs us to the True Word of God.
The Holy Spirit then dwells in us by not only taking in a True Knowledge of the Word of God, but holding on to it. It is then that knowledge or Spirit that quickens us to life.
L
your a tripper haha, so I guess this "angel" abides with each of us all at the same time because he's a super angel or something? half of what u just said doesn't even make sense and the scriptures u were using don't even relate. Like I said previously stop being a lone ranger n thinking that u alone are the vessel of truth, trying to bring strange doctrine and get accountable, submit yourself to leadership like the word teaches and see how u go. This subject aside u do know that God wants u in fellowship so that u can be healed and loved correctly hey? That is what the gospel is really about, relationship with God and with others. Best of luck mate, I don't think ur gonna convince any one here of your "idea" but I do hope u get what u need from God and that u come to really know His love for u..
I am not alone.
Romans 1-5
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Yoe believe that Satan is an Angel. You also believe that he deceives the whole world. So why doesn't the same principle apply to God? Angels or rather holy angels, are sent to minister to those of salvation. What does it mean to minister? Angels are spirits. Jesus said that those that are of spirit is like the wind.
And I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just doing my part to witness to the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
1corinthians 1:18-31
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
S
By simply quoting the word and developing a personal interpretation, an interpretation which as I said previously, rivals the basic beliefs of nearly every Christian denomination, this does not ensure that you are quoting with understanding, and this understanding comes from the very Spirit you have denied a place in the Trinity.
I do have to apologize for one misunderstanding, on my part, I thought that you were also claiming that Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael, but I misread your post. In any event, we are living in a time where men are permitted to take advantage of the grace of God. What this means is, you are permitted not only to be an unbeliever, but you are also permitted to develop philosophies, religions and heretical doctrines without the ground collapsing around you.
My personal feeling is that you are affiliated with some form of organized religion, though you don't care to reveal it's name. You seem to be somewhat settled in these strange beliefs and haven't wavered, even in the face of truth, love and even rebukes, contained in these posts.
In one post you typed:
"And I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just doing my part to witness to the testimony of Jesus Christ".
You consider yourself a witness, and one who bears the testimony of Jesus Christ, yet your profile indicates that you are not only unsure of your own spiritual status, but you also don't believe that anyone can be saved until Christ appears. You have the advantage here. You were smart not to reveal your true affiliation. This undoubtedly protects your doctrine from exposure.
I do have to apologize for one misunderstanding, on my part, I thought that you were also claiming that Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael, but I misread your post. In any event, we are living in a time where men are permitted to take advantage of the grace of God. What this means is, you are permitted not only to be an unbeliever, but you are also permitted to develop philosophies, religions and heretical doctrines without the ground collapsing around you.
My personal feeling is that you are affiliated with some form of organized religion, though you don't care to reveal it's name. You seem to be somewhat settled in these strange beliefs and haven't wavered, even in the face of truth, love and even rebukes, contained in these posts.
In one post you typed:
"And I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just doing my part to witness to the testimony of Jesus Christ".
You consider yourself a witness, and one who bears the testimony of Jesus Christ, yet your profile indicates that you are not only unsure of your own spiritual status, but you also don't believe that anyone can be saved until Christ appears. You have the advantage here. You were smart not to reveal your true affiliation. This undoubtedly protects your doctrine from exposure.
M
SlimFrinky Post #7: Do you think Jesus would succumb to using sarcasm? He would not. It is a sign that a spirit of anger is at work within a person that uses sarcasm.
"The Angel of the Lord" in OT often, but not always, refers to the PRE-incarnate Christ. This is NOT Holy Spirit, the 3rd personality of the Triune God. Use a concordance or go online and reference original Hebrew and Greek to find specific meaning.
Maggie
"The Angel of the Lord" in OT often, but not always, refers to the PRE-incarnate Christ. This is NOT Holy Spirit, the 3rd personality of the Triune God. Use a concordance or go online and reference original Hebrew and Greek to find specific meaning.
Maggie
I honestly tell you that I am not affiliated with any church, or for that matter church dotrines. I haven't been to a church to worship in over 10 years. I probably wouldn't know a doctrine or, better yet, a doctrine of a particular church, if it fell out of the sky and hit me in the face! A little humor but seriously, I am not concerned with a doctrine of a church; only what the bible states. My profile states that I am unsure and this is true. But look at the catergories I have to choose from. Christian, other, and unsure. I don't want to be categorized. Why can't I just be led by the Spirit? You are correct. I don't believe that anyone is saved right now. By definition, to have those who are saved means also to have those that are ****ed. And how can anyone be saved or ****ed, when the day of Judgement is yet to happen. I believe that I am sealed unto the day of our salvation. But I have a couple of questions for you. You believe the Holy Spirit is something different from what I wrote. I don't know if you believe that he is God but if so then he should be in Revelation somewhere. Could you give me a few verses out of Revelation that can point me to Him? And also what to you think of the 4th commandment of the Sabbath?
A little humor but seriously, I am not concerned with a doctrine of a church; only what the bible states. My profile states that I am unsure and this is true. But look at the catergories I have to choose from. Christian, other, and unsure. I don't want to be categorized. Why can't I just be led by the Spirit? You are correct. I don't believe that anyone is saved right now. By definition, to have those who are saved means also to have those that are ****ed. And how can anyone be saved or ****ed, when the day of Judgement is yet to happen. I believe that I am sealed unto the day of our salvation. But I have a couple of questions for you. You believe the Holy Spirit is something different from what I wrote. I don't know if you believe that he is God but if so then he should be in Revelation somewhere. Could you give me a few verses out of Revelation that can point me to Him? And also what to you think of the 4th commandment of the Sabbath?- Status