The imminent Demise of the United States of America

[Sub-Zero]

Jude writes that some should be saved by fear and that we should judge the difference...it appears that some are so reprobate in mind that they are unable to repent? But one thing is for sure. We are never called to approve and promote evil.

The state recognizing a gay marriage licensing isn't the same as "promoting" gay marriage. Neither is the government allowing someone to binge drink to the point of intense intoxication a "promotion" to alcoholism.

It's part of our Heavenly Father's plan to give us our free will. It's up to us (individually) to exercise it in righteousness. God allows us to sin, the government should allow people to do so as well provided they aren't taking anyone else's liberty away. The government should promote liberty, not be our moral police. That should take place IN THE HOME. Sometimes liberty means allowing things we don't necessarily agree with.

 

[Mitspa]

The state recognizing a gay marriage licensing isn't the same as "promoting" gay marriage. Neither is the government allowing someone to binge drink to the point of intense intoxication a "promotion" to alcoholism.

It's part of our Heavenly Father's plan to give us our free will. It's up to us (individually) to exercise it in righteousness. God allows us to sin, the government should allow people to do so as well provided they aren't taking anyone else's liberty away. The government should promote liberty, not be our moral police. That should take place IN THE HOME. Sometimes liberty means allowing things we don't necessarily agree with.

Of course its promoting homosexual perversions
And beyond that it has made this sexual sin a protected civil right by the force of law.

 

[Pumicestone]

This nation is going to collapse. That's not hyperbole, that's reality.

Your own certainty about the imminent collapse of the USA may well have merit -
but it should still be posited as an "I believe that" rather than a "that's reality". You are not God.

Doesn't matter what I believe; it's reality. Read Scripture.....

Oh for such omniscience !
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way ... la de da

If you don't hold Scripture as reality, why sow discord amongst those who do....
The reality of which Utah spoke was of it's reality in Scripture... which is the Truth which supports reality itself.
If you disagree, then how can we debate you? We express Bible, not philosophy, and Bible is the only valid data source on this forum.

LOL. You know what's funny? I initially wrote, "I thank God I'm not omnipotent and omniscient because I couldn't handle the responsibility," but it seemed disrespectful to God.
I wish I was wrong, but the hard Truth is, these are God's word's and its God's will.
Tribulation isn't only coming to America. You'll see it as well.

That last line changes the ball-game.
If you are talking about the 'last days' or 'end times' whatever ...... then that's a different story.

PREVIOUSLY - and what I was responding to - you alluded only to "This nation" and the "reality" of its imminent collapse.
Like Solid Ground, I would like to see the biblical evidence of that assertion (sorry, that 'reality')

 

[Sub-Zero]

Of course its promoting homosexual perversions
And beyond that it has made this sexual sin a protected civil right by the force of law.

So if merely allowing someone to exercise their free will is synonymous with "promoting" said activity, does God promote murder, rape, incest, homosexuality, adultery, etc...? I think we can both agree our free will has come from Him and He allows for us to exercise it righteously and/or unrighteously.

This does not mean God promotes sin, nor does it mean the government is promoting gay-marriage by recognizing gay marriage licenses. The government is (and ought to be) apathetic towards heterosexual and homosexual marriages. They are not in the moral business but the legal/civil business.

 

[Sub-Zero]

And beyond that it has made this sexual sin a protected civil right by the force of law.

Homosexuality has been a "protected civil right" for a long time now. Are we talking about homosexuality or the recognition of gay marriage licensing? I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Mitspa]

So if merely allowing someone to exercise their free will is synonymous with "promoting" said activity, does God promote murder, rape, incest, homosexuality, adultery, etc...? I think we can both agree our free will has come from Him and He allows for us to exercise it righteously and/or unrighteously.

This does not mean God promotes sin, nor does it mean the government is promoting gay-marriage by recognizing gay marriage licenses. The government is (and ought to be) apathetic towards heterosexual and homosexual marriages. They are not in the moral business but the legal/civil business.

What ..do you know Christ? How could you even suggest such a question? God has never promoted evil in any way!

And all law is based on morality and that morality is a reflection of the will and desires of the society that laws are supposed to protect. And of course the government is in the business of morality thats what our justice system does, its supposed to defend honest folks form criminal and immoral people. I don't think you have much understanding of our constitutional republic and the purpose of a constitutional government?

 

[Mitspa]

Homosexuality has been a "protected civil right" for a long time now. Are we talking about homosexuality or the recognition of gay marriage licensing? I have no idea what you're talking about.

No its has not been a protected civil right under our legal system until the supreme court just made it that. No one has had a special civil right to be a sexual deviant until now.

 

[prove-all]

The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season,
and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations,
and thou shalt not borrow.

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He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head,
and thou shalt be the tail.​

​

 

[Utah]

That last line changes the ball-game.
If you are talking about the 'last days' or 'end times' whatever ...... then that's a different story.

PREVIOUSLY - and what I was responding to - you alluded only to "This nation" and the "reality" of its imminent collapse.
Like Solid Ground, I would like to see the biblical evidence of that assertion (sorry, that 'reality')

My bad. I was thinking globally but specifically stated America. Sorry for the mix-up.

 

[just-me]

When the U.S falls, (and it's in the process right now because that's what the current administration desires) the economy worldwide will fall which will usher in the mark of the beast. It all fits.

Revelation 13:1-4
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.[SUP]
2 [/SUP]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

IMO......The beast is not a man, and neither is the dragon. The mark of the beast is not a dynasty rule from an individual per-Se'. It's a satanic influence of deception like its always been.

 

[Shadow-THI]

You Can’t Quote Leviticus to Prove God Hates Homosexuality | Bible-Thumping Liberal

Why not? Just exactly what is a "BIBLE THUMPER" that you refer to?

 

[Brother_Don]

[SUP]1 Timothy 1

8 [/SUP]But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[bondservant]

The main reason I posted this story was to show the ripple effect it has on family's. The reason I started it out with get real is that it seems some of you saints want to judge and others want to love and we are looking to see how much ammo we have in the word to do the right thing. The real is what do we do? I posted another thread in another forum entitled "through the eyes of Jesus"so saints as we stradle the fence again being heavenly minded to no earthly good what has anyone of us done? I would like to hear from some saints that have been on the front lines and hear their story. What has the Lord shows them? Who has witnessed to these people, what was the outcome?

 

[Shadow-THI]

Why are you assuming I don't know or that I don't agree with what the bible says about it? You are going off on a tangent again. Furthermore, I was saying "it was legal to practice homosexual behavior prior to the decision" NOT legal in the eyes of God. I guess that was over your head...

What did the Supreme Court ruling do other than recognize gay marriage? What else changed legally?

We mutually agree that people would still practice homosexuality regardless of it being recognized or not. The recognition isn't the sin, the act is the sin.

Say good bye Zero, you just won your own spot on my ignore list with Pumice.

 

[crossnote]

Awesome article! God please grant me the Grace this Pastor has on this issue, in Jesus name I pray:


Some Advice on Same-Sex Marriage for US Church Leaders From a Canadian - Carey Nieuwhof

He seemed to skirt the issue, that marriage as defined by God has been redefined by man.

 

[Mitspa]

He seemed to skirt the issue, that marriage as defined by God has been redefined by man.

Its just cover for the unlawful act of our courts and a whitewash of the degradation of our society...If Canada wants to embrace the culture of Sodom, then let them have it. This country and society belong to the people not the courts and those who are telling us to just lay down and take this attack on our society, don't understand what God has called us to be in this world.

 

[Sub-Zero]

What ..do you know Christ? How could you even suggest such a question? God has never promoted evil in any way!

And all law is based on morality and that morality is a reflection of the will and desires of the society that laws are supposed to protect. And of course the government is in the business of morality thats what our justice system does, its supposed to defend honest folks form criminal and immoral people. I don't think you have much understanding of our constitutional republic and the purpose of a constitutional government?

I'm asking a question based on your premise that "allowing equates to promoting". I've read your posts, I know you're intelligent enough to understand what I'm asking... Why are you deflecting the point I'm making? If you agree God allows us the free will to sin and He DOESN'T promote sin, how then is the Supreme Court promoting "gay marriage" by allowing all marriages to be recognized by the states?

One can say it's "immoral to kill" and of course they are correct. However, murder is taking someone's liberty away... THAT is why it's illegal... NOT because it's "immoral in the eyes of God". When it comes to things that God has declared as sinful but it doesn't take anyone (other than your own) liberty away, the government often times allows it (people can get drunk, get a prostitute in certain locations in the US, etc...) The government and God view things entirely differently. You have to know and believe this... right?

What have I said that is inaccurate about our government? If you want to discredit my knowledge, don't be so vague... point out what is factually inaccurate. lol

 

[Mitspa]

I'm asking a question based on your premise that "allowing equates to promoting". I've read your posts, I know you're intelligent enough to understand what I'm asking... Why are you deflecting the point I'm making? If you agree God allows us the free will to sin and He DOESN'T promote sin, how then is the Supreme Court promoting "gay marriage" by allowing all marriages to be recognized by the states?

One can say it's "immoral to kill" and of course they are correct. However, murder is taking someone's liberty away... THAT is why it's illegal... NOT because it's "immoral in the eyes of God". When it comes to things that God has declared as sinful but it doesn't take anyone (other than your own) liberty away, the government often times allows it (people can get drunk, get a prostitute in certain locations in the US, etc...) The government and God view things entirely differently. You have to know and believe this... right?

What have I said that is inaccurate about our government? If you want to discredit my knowledge, don't be so vague... point out what is factually inaccurate. lol

Again you seem to miss the fact that the court has now defined sexual perversion as a protected civil right..by the force of law.
And all law is based on morality, now that morality should be based upon the desires of the society for the society...and Christians have every right as citizens to desire a moral society and use their lawful rights to influence the laws to have a society that reflect there moral values.
Now biblically this sin is described as a sin that represents those who have entered into a reprobate condition and Sodom is a example of how God sees this sin.

Also im not interested in playing word games...most people can figure out the difference between hunting gays down and promoting their ungodliness.

 

[Sub-Zero]

No its has not been a protected civil right under our legal system until the supreme court just made it that. No one has had a special civil right to be a sexual deviant until now.

There are "enumerated" and "unenumerated" civil rights and that are not directly expressed. Practicing homosexuality was unenumerated. Gay marriage is now enumerated.

There is no law that says you can't jump rope 10 times and then eat chicken nuggets every day in the morning. However, due to our individual liberties, we can jump rope 10 times and eat chicken nuggets every morning as it's an unenumerated right. Similarly, gay people could legally practice homosexuality immediately before the Supreme Court ruling and it's obviously considered legal. Because the Supreme Court made it's ruling, it is an enumerated right for gay people to get married.

Regardless, prior to the Supreme Court ruling, everyone had the right to be "sexual deviants" as you say. The ruling doesn't NOW grant people to be "sexual deviants", it's been legal.

 

[Mitspa]

There are "enumerated" and "unenumerated" civil rights and that are not directly expressed. Practicing homosexuality was unenumerated. Gay marriage is now enumerated.

There is no law that says you can't jump rope 10 times and then eat chicken nuggets every day in the morning. However, due to our individual liberties, we can jump rope 10 times and eat chicken nuggets every morning as it's an unenumerated right. Similarly, gay people could legally practice homosexuality immediately before the Supreme Court ruling and it's obviously considered legal. Because the Supreme Court made it's ruling, it is an enumerated right for gay people to get married.

Regardless, prior to the Supreme Court ruling, everyone had the right to be "sexual deviants" as you say. The ruling doesn't NOW grant people to be "sexual deviants", it's been legal.

They had all the rights of other citizens..the right to privacy, to work etc... But they should not get a special right for being a sexual deviant and get special protection and power to force others to accept their own sexual lust.