the lake of fire

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As I have said this in other posts the OT is filled with imagery (types and shadows) that point to larger principles than themselves.
The promised land is a physical land but it represents the heavenly country - HEAVEN.
The grave and hades are physical places but they represent Hell - Lake of fire.

The pharisees at the time are smarter than we are at times because none of them ever question Jesus or raise concerns with Jesus on his use of Hell in this respect. He equates fire with it. He equates destruction with it.
Nor with words being different in places, do they even have a problem with the concept of Hell fire destruction, even though it is rarely spoken plainly in the OT as such. In the OT, it is mostly spoken of in physical terms (same as the promised land), such as, God will destroy the wicked, burn them, turn them into Hell (you can say grave if you'd like), and on and on. However, you will note words and passages which hint something greater, such as, burn them forever, even though the act of God's physical destruction of an enemy in the passage is not forever. These are subtle points throughout the OT but are consistent with subtleties of God's word revealed in the NT and even the people, at the time of Jesus, understood without debate that these existed.
It is the same for resurrection. Some sects of the Jews believed in the resurrection before Jesus, but it is not preached in the OT as often and openly as it is in the NT, but it is hinted through pictures of the language used. Hebrews 4 likewise reveals the use of the "rest" language that it was bigger than the physical objective and promise of its time. The same is true for the tabernacle which was made according to what God had shown Moses, however, the NT makes it clear that God showed Moses a heavenly pattern of greater things.


However, put all that aside and based on the other posts thus far, perhaps some of you should pull out your permanent pens and add to Psalm 139 that there is no place I can go and no place I can hide from you, that you are not there "except the lake of fire." "You can hide from God there."

(which btw may just be a lake of gasoline);)
Tongue firmly planted in the side of the cheek.
 
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Several times on this website I have heard it said that hell is eternal separation from the Lord. Which Scripture substantiates that?
 
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Several times on this website I have heard it said that hell is eternal separation from the Lord. Which Scripture substantiates that?
Seeing as the Spirit/Soul is eternal and the non-believer isn't going to be united with God. doesn't it make sense they are separated from God?
 
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Seeing as the Spirit/Soul is eternal and the non-believer isn't going to be united with God. doesn't it make sense they are separated from God?
1Covenant has shown us a Scripture, Psalms 139:8, that says we are never separated from the Lord. It says this (“Old” Revised Standard Version):

If I ascend to heaven, thou art there!
If I make my bed in Sheol, thou art there!


I’m just asking if there is a Scripture that refutes THIS Scripture.
 
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1Covenant has shown us a Scripture, Psalms 139:8, that says we are never separated from the Lord. It says this (“Old” Revised Standard Version):

If I ascend to heaven, thou art there!
If I make my bed in Sheol, thou art there!


I’m just asking if there is a Scripture that refutes THIS Scripture.
Umm that would be king David? A believer is not going to be separated from God... Sheol isn't the lake of fire, it is a place of torment and used to be separated into two parts the second part was Abraham's bosom. Abraham's bosom is where the righteous went before Christ came (like king David).. The punishment part is still there and that will be casted into the lake of fire, as seen in Revelation. But Abraham's bosom does not exist anymore so now Sheol is ONLY a place of punishment.
 
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Umm that would be king David? A believer is not going to be separated from God... Sheol isn't the lake of fire, it is a place of torment and used to be separated into two parts the second part was Abraham's bosom. Abraham's bosom is where the righteous went before Christ came (like king David).. The punishment part is still there and that will be casted into the lake of fire, as seen in Revelation. But Abraham's bosom does not exist anymore so now Sheol is ONLY a place of punishment.
You are using an idea to explain what the context is not saying.
The context is one of where can I flee, run, escape, etc from your presence. A believer would not want to truly escape but the psalmist is making use of imagery to prove a point that there is no where he could flee from God's presence.
The psalmist is also contrasting extremes, Heaven and Hell, heights and depths, darkness and light.
 
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I really doubt that King David is thinking about spending eternity in a lake of fire with God's loving presence with him, when he wrote that psalm. God is not present with those in the lake of fire, it is separation. King David is talking about the grave, his death bed, not a future place of torment. David was saved!
 
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I really doubt that King David is thinking about spending eternity in a lake of fire with God's loving presence with him
Oh my. That is the opposite of his point! He saying that there is no place that he could escape God's spirit in all these places. He is not saying I'd like to go to all these place with my God's spirit.
 
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read my post about heaven being hotter than hell, I think it will explain my view on the lake of fire quite well
 
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read my post about heaven being hotter than hell, I think it will explain my view on the lake of fire quite well
Did you intend to rhyme, perhaps you just had the time?
 
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