The law of the land says ok does G-d?

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mcubed

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Is murdering your child in utero murder according to G-d? The law it is legal, in the US to murder your child, but does that make O.K. by G-d to murder your baby in a woman's womb, in urto?
 

notuptome

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Render unto Cesar what is Cesar's and unto God what is God's.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

NayborBear

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Render unto Cesar what is Cesar's and unto God what is God's.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Totally agree with your comment. I would like to "update" the first part of Jesus' declaration to the pharisee's. "Render unto Cesar what is Cesar's." "WELCOME...TO THE "GRAND ILLUSION!" Tis, someone ELSE'S "fantasy!" (meaning) NOT God's "reality!"

Tis been THIS way? Since "cain!" Even before, with the "graden of Eden" incident.

Unless we all live "off the grid", we are CONSTANTLY being "forced" to engage/disengage from the "empirical/spiritual" realities, without becoming so "enamored, seduced, beguiled" in the illusion, to lose the spiritual TO the empirical! :)
 
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UnderGrace

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Render unto Cesar what is Cesar's and unto God what is God's.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I really do not see how this even relates to abortion being legal:confused:
 

wolfwint

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In one Side we should Obey the gouverment(Romans 13,1) In the other Side we have to Obey God more the men(Acts 5,29) If it is against Gods Law, then we have to Obey God and not the gouverment. Abortion is Murder a Child and is no Law from God!
 
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SpoonJuly

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Is murdering your child in utero murder according to G-d? The law it is legal, in the US to murder your child, but does that make O.K. by G-d to murder your baby in a woman's womb, in urto?
Why do yo and others continue to misspell God?
 

breno785au

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I'm not sure why the OP is in the form of a question. We are not like unbelievers, forming what's right or wrong by laws and laws changing. As we live our lives, people will see that we belong to a higher government, with a higher law and standard. Some will hate us for it, some will come to give God the glory for it.

I remember reading once that the Christians faced such persecution from Roman Emporer because they didn't submit themselves to the laws and ways of Romans because recognised that they lived a higher law... Or something like that.
 

prove-all

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"Abortion" - The law of the land says ok , does G-d?
The laws that God gave the ancient nation of Israel after the exodus included the following:
“If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm
follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him;
and he shall pay as the judges determine.

But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life” (Exodus 21:22-23).

In other words, if there was no injury caused to the infant, the perpetrator had only to pay
damages because of whatever inconvenience or hardship might have been imposed on the
parents. However, if his actions caused the unborn child to die, then he was sentenced to death!

Clearly, God considers the life of an unborn child equal to that of an adult.

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The Apostle Paul told Timothy that “in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves [very selfish and self-centered] …
disobedient to parents … Without natural affection … incontinent [without self
-control], fierce [or brutal] … [lovers of pleasures] more than lovers of God”
(2 Timothy 3:1-4).

These are the very attitudes that lead to illicit sex, unwanted babies and
brutal abortions—all signs that confirm we are living in the last days.


Is Abortion Really Murder? Yes
https://www.thetrumpet.com/65-is-abortion-really-murder
 

oldhermit

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“You shall not murder.”

Murder is a world magnitude. There is no corner of the globe where this command has not suffered violence. This commandment is laid across the entire spectrum of killing but, the command discriminates because not all killing is murder. Murder is arbitrary, willful, malicious, it is without legitimate purpose, and there is no inherent necessity for it. Murder can be either planned or spontaneous, but neither effects the nature of the action.

The context of the meaning of murder is the will of God, not situation and not circumstance. By this single commandment, God hereby legitimizes human existence and attaches meaning and value to human life. Murder is an attempt to delegitimize and devalue human life. God has said you shall not do this.

Murder is an assault on the dignity of man and the nature of God himself because man is created in the image if his Maker. It is an unwarranted violent reaction to circumstances of whatever kind.

There is no such thing as the right to murder. The right of murder has not been extended to governments nor to individuals. With these commandments, God is putting a cleavage between the power to do something and the right to do something, and these are not the same thing. This cleavage is an eternal prohibition against many types of human behaviors.

Man attempts to use legal power to overturn the laws of God. Today for example, the fetus is denied protection from being murdered in the womb. From the legal point of view, the unborn has been fully delegitimized and devalued. It has been decreed by law that the fetus has no rights, not even the right to live. Thus, the power of deciding the right of life has been taken out of the hands of the Almighty and placed into human courts. The fetus has been labeled by the courts as a non-person, thus it is argued that it is not murder to kill an aggregate of protoplasm. It has been completely dehumanized. This is the rationalization of the value of a human life verses the convenience or inconvenience of another.

This philosophy of human life has also affected the old and terminally ill who have become subject to euthanasia when life becomes burdensome or inconvenient, especially to others. They have simply been pushed aside and marginalized as having no intrinsic value. The idea is a very simple one, murder the Ten Commandments, then murder the people. We are witnesses to more than one holocaust emerging in our time. Murder is a crowning human overreach of power over the will of God. This command “You shall not commit murder” generalizes to situations where one has the power to act but not the right to act. This inherently implies that man has the power to murder, but that this power must be controlled, regulated and be made to conform to a divine will. The commandment forbids the exercise of this power to all.
 

Nehemiah6

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Is murdering your child in utero murder according to G-d? The law it is legal, in the US to murder your child, but does that make O.K. by G-d to murder your baby in a woman's womb, in urto?
Hopefully Christians do not imitate the world in this matter.
 
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Is murdering your child in utero murder according to G-d?
The important is, firstly, what pleases Jesus, and as it said in Malachi 2.16, He hates who covers violence with their garment, that is, abortion.
 

OneFaith

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Is murdering your child in utero murder according to G-d? The law it is legal, in the US to murder your child, but does that make O.K. by G-d to murder your baby in a woman's womb, in urto?
Abortion is murder. It doesn't make a difference to God whether you murder your child before or after its under your stomach, just like it doesn't matter whether or nor your child's under a blanket when you murder them- ether way it's still murder. A covering don't make a difference when you take human life without God's permission.
 

OneFaith

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Abortion is murder. It doesn't make a difference to God whether you murder your child before or after its under your stomach, just like it doesn't matter whether or nor your child's under a blanket when you murder them- ether way it's still murder. A covering don't make a difference when you take human life without God's permission.
Let's say I'm laying on the top bunk of a bunk bed, and you are laying on the bottom. Technically you are under my stomach and under a blanket- does that give me the right to take your life? Abortion is just as ridiculous.
 

mcubed

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I am moved to know G-d's people still believe in righteousness!!!...

With that said, I do not want to forget the LOVE AND COMPASSION of MESSIAH!!!!

When my sister had her abortion, I begged her to have the child and let me adopt the baby. She refused and and wanted me (of all people) to go with her. I prayed, and prayed, and prayed.... G-d finally spoke to me and said, "I AM the G-d of the living and the dead,.... your sister is the living".... I realized at that moment my niece/nephew was going to move home to heaven (my sister will not change her mind (human will)). So, I went with her, probably the hardest thing I ever did; I took her home and loved her.

She knows I believe she is a murder but she knows a little more Messiah now too.

What burdens my heart greatly is Non-Christians and CHRISTIANS ALIKE still murder their children EQUALLY!!! But ALL Non-Christians and CHRISTIANS ALIKE need MESSIAH MORE!!!!

Hopefully the "MORE" can be before but definitely still after!!!!
 

preston39

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"Why do we leave out the "o" when referring to G-d? According to Jewish tradition we do not write out the Creator's name in any language, unless as part of a printed book which we know will be preserved with dignity and treated as holy. Refraining from writing out His name is a sign of reverence and awe for the Creator. If this name were to be written out and then, the paper on which it was written would become lost or destroyed, or even if it was brought into an unclean place, this would be showing disrespect and it would be a desecration of His name".
 
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it can be very beneficial to try to concentrate on the message inside of someone's reply
instead of the way they choose to write their words -
it opens the heart to perhaps learning something...
 

preston39

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Is murdering your child in utero murder according to G-d? The law it is legal, in the US to murder your child, but does that make O.K. by G-d to murder your baby in a woman's womb, in urto?
m...,

Abortion is abortion. Not ok with G-d.

What difference are you trying to establish?