The Modern “Grace Message” — Revolution or Rebellion?

[oldethennew]

the fruit of GRACE always leads to VIRTUE,., this is an unquestionable standard for living for God -
and once we begin to incorporate virtue into our daily lives by the GRACE of God,
then we know in our own hearts that He is real and that He is our King and Saviour
and that He is drawing us to come closer and closer to Him through our own
actions and deeds and words...

11PETER 1:5-6-7-8.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful
in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

Jesus didn't rebuke them because they were doing "righteous deeds" but because they were teaching for doctrines the commandments of men, and because they were blind guides and Hypocrites. Look up the definition of hypocrites, the man made church system is filled with them.

Let's stay on topic...with your posts #21 and #37...that is what we were talking about..

So, the Pharisees were telling the people to go and sin all you want like the false accusations against believers in the grace of Christ are slanderously said to be doing?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Let's stay on topic...like your posts #21 and #37

So, the Pharisees were telling the people to go and sin all you want like the false accusations against believers in the grace of Christ are slanderously said to be doing?

You said that, not me.

 

[Grace777x70]

You said that, not me.

You better read your post #21 again...

Here is a quote from it below...is sure sounds like you said they were turning the grace of God into lasciviousness. This is what is being addressed - this false accusation which is untrue and Paul calls it what it is in Romans 3:8

Quote: Post #21

It is the false doctrine of this new modern "Hyper grace" message that is turning a clean obedient faithful grace into a "greasy" unclean, and unfaithful grace message.

They in effect have done as is also written "turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness"

Unquote:

Then you said in post #37 that Jesus spoke to the Pharisees he was talking about the grace believers in response to Gr8grace's post:

Originally Posted by Gr8grace

Where is Jesus Christ's "sermon on the greasy grace crowd?" I have yet to find it.


I just like to deal with these false accusations and get them out in the open.

 

[Ariel82]

The modern "greasy" grace message is all about what you can get from Jesus Christ, but without the message of what you have to be willing to give up in order to be His disciple.

Some people do teach this heresy. You find it in the Word of faith movement where you can "claim your blessings" cuz God really wants you to have that car, just give the preacher some seed money for his jet..


It is a false gospel being taught to steal from God's people.


However I don't know too many on this forum who believe it's lies.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You better read your post #21 again...

Here is a quote from it below...is sure sounds like you said they were turning the grace of God into lasciviousness. This is what is being addressed - this false accusation which is untrue and Paul calls it what it is in Romans 3:8

Quote: Post #21

It is the false doctrine of this new modern "Hyper grace" message that is turning a clean obedient faithful grace into a "greasy" unclean, and unfaithful grace message.

They in effect have done as is also written "turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness"

Unquote:

Then you said in post #37 that Jesus spoke to the Pharisees he was talking about the grace believers in response to Gr8grace's post:

Originally Posted by Gr8grace

Where is Jesus Christ's "sermon on the greasy grace crowd?" I have yet to find it.


I just like to deal with these false accusations and get them out in the open.

What I said in my own words was true, but what you implied I said is not, as you suggested here...

So, the Pharisees were telling the people to go and sin all you want like the false accusations against believers in the grace of Christ are slanderously said to be doing?

Satan and his disciples are a little more cunning with their false doctrine than that, don't you think?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Some people do teach this heresy. You find it in the Word of faith movement where you can "claim your blessings" cuz God really wants you to have that car, just give the preacher some seed money for his jet..


It is a false gospel being taught to steal from God's people.


However I don't know too many on this forum who believe it's lies.

And if they sow to the flesh, they shall also of the flesh reap corruption.

 

[Depleted]

[h=2]The Modern “Grace Message” — Revolution or Rebellion?[/h]Tiresome for those of us that are inundated with Grace/Anti-grace fights on here.

 

[Grace777x70]

What I said in my own words was true, but what you implied I said is not, as you suggested here...

Satan and his disciples are a little more cunning with their false doctrine than that, don't you think?

It was very clear what you were saying and it is these types of false accusations that need to stop. They are divisive and are spreading slander. Please conduct yourself in a proper manner with this issue. Thank you.

I completely agree with you about satan and how he deceives people.

Satan and his horde do not come to the believer in Christ and say "Sin all you want" because no one would for fall for such a lie. Instead they come as "ministers of righteousness".

They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.

This cuts us off from receiving the grace of God in our lives.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( notice that is "their" works )

This below is what satan is really after...this is why he has false teachers in our midst. He wants us to fall away from grace and depend on our own performance.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[Ariel82]

And if they sow to the flesh, they shall also of the flesh reap corruption.

True but I would rather spend my time praising God and meditating on good and peaceable things.

Perhaps pray for those so entrapped or gather verses to help them break free of the lies...

Though while they have wealth and health they will not want to break free.

 

[Ariel82]

[h=2]The Modern “Grace Message” — Revolution or Rebellion?[/h]Tiresome for those of us that are inundated with Grace/Anti-grace fights on here.

Both sides have gotten good at erecting strawmen and watching the,bonfire.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It was very clear what you were saying and it is these types of false accusations that need to stop. They are divisive and are spreading slander.

Evidently it was not clear enough for you because you tried to imply and inject your own words and your own ideas in my posts which I did not say, in order for you to bring false accusations against me. Nice try though.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

We don't work out our salvation alone, we have the Holy Spirit who teaches and guides us.

See that's how words get in the way. We also aren't saved by grace alone by faith alone by Jesus alone etc etc etc. We are part of the process too. That was my whole point.

 

[valiant]

See that's how words get in the way. We also aren't saved by grace alone by faith alone by Jesus alone etc etc etc. We are part of the process too. That was my whole point.

no you love your false righteousness

thank God I rest on the righteousness of God given in Christ Jesus. . the only true righteousness available to man

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Let's take a poll....how many people in this thread actually read the original article?

Just curious to see how many actually want to have a conversation or just want to hear themselves speak.

I believe a lot of misunderstanding and false accusations would be avoided if people spent more time reading what others actually post and less tell others what others say or think.

Cut out the gossip, get it straight from the source.

The original article doesn't preach a works based salvation....so why erect a straw man and burn it?

Did you think the article was good?

 

[JGIG]

Oh yes, because it is God Who first works in us His good pleasure.
I suppose how effectual is His work in us is the question.

Yes, but the beauty of the Good News is this:

6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. (from Phil 1)​

God never gives up on us, ever. He will keep working in us even if it takes until the day of Jesus Christ to 'be effectual'! God is faithful to finish what He started in us \o/!

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

I didn't call God's grace "greasy". It is the false doctrine of this new modern "Hyper grace" message that is turning a clean obedient faithful grace into a "greasy" unclean, and unfaithful grace message.

They in effect have done as is also written "turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness"

And your proof that lasciviousness is actually happening because of the 'hyper-grace' message is where???

Those I know who are resting in the finished Work of Christ and are being taught by His Grace are bearing the Fruit of the Spirit, walking uprightly, loving and serving others well, and are joyful while doing it.

Hyper-grace, hyperperisseuō (see Romans 5:20, check it out!) IS a clean, obedient, faithful grace!

-JGIG

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

And your proof that lasciviousness is actually happening because of the 'hyper-grace' message is where???

You will know them by their fruit=words and actions.

 

[gb9]

You will know them by their fruit=words and actions.

by this all will know that you are My disciples that you show love for one another - Jesus.

we have to prove to each other how saved we are - false teachers.

 

[JGIG]

It is the difference between being a faithful Bride dressed in white, or playing the Harlot with the ways of the world, thus being disobedient and unfaithful.

God's grace is given to those who truly love Him, and keep His commandments...

Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 5:10
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;


John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

This kind of love for God is what Hyper grace calls "legalism" or "works Salvationism" or DIY "self righteousness".

Beg pardon, but not ONE of the verses above supports your assertion, "God's grace is given to those who truly love Him, and keep His commandments..."

Mercy ≠ Grace

And Grace cannot be earned, or it is not Grace:

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. (from Rom. 11)​

-JGIG