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A MESSAGE FROM PETER ** November 21, 2011

THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION
What Are Its Beliefs?​

11-20-11 C. Peter Wagner



Over the past few months, I have been gratified that, after 18 years of having recognized this notable movement of God, the media are now analyzing and critiquing the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). I greatly appreciate the discussions in vehicles running from the "NAR Watch" website to Time magazine and the Associated Press. For the most part, the research being done is thorough and accurate. Yes, there are some flaws and serious omissions, but generally speaking the facts are there. The differences come in the interpretation of the facts. The NAR paradigm for the church pulls many observers out of their theological comfort zones, and some of them are not reluctant to express their concerns in the strongest language possible. A number of them actually consider me a heretic!



Some readers will have seen the previous paper I did on this subject, "The New Apostolic Reformation: An Update," If you haven't seen it and you are interested, your search engine will quickly turn it up for you. In that paper, I attempted to respond briefly to several of the criticisms that were being verbalized. Here I intend to go into a bit more depth on just one of them, namely the beliefs of the NAR.



A number of the observers pointed out that, in their research, they could not discover a formal NAR statement of faith. The reason for this is that none exists. We must keep in mind that the NAR is a movement; it is not an organization that one could join. There is substantial tacit unity among participants in NAR on the fundamental doctrines of the faith, but there is enormous diversity as to the various interpretations and applications of those doctrines, as well as how they would be prioritized in each individual case.



What has fascinated me as much as anything about the NAR is the widespread tolerance of differences in belief and practice. My background is in the older denominational wineskin in which theological legalism tended to accentuate certain of these secondary issues. Some, for example, who believed in baptism of adults by immersion could not tolerate those who baptized infants by sprinkling. Some who believed in dispensational eschatology could not tolerate those who were amilennialists (spelling???) . Some who did not speak in tongues could not tolerate those who did. Some who believed in progressive sanctification could not tolerate those who believed in entire sanctification. Some who did not ordain women could not tolerate those who ordained women. And I could go on, but my point is that in the current NAR wineskin there is less and less of this kind of theological baggage.



The doctrinal unity of the NAR, frequently unexpressed, comes through the classical Christian creeds and through the theology of the Protestant Reformation. All would adhere to the Apostles' Creed and affirm that God is the Creator, Jesus is His Son who was born of a virgin, crucified, dead and buried and that He rose on the third day. They would believe in the Holy Spirit, the universal church, the forgiveness of sins, and the life everlasting. .Most would agree with the essential relationship of the three Persons of the Trinity as expressed in the Nicene Creed, although a few might prefer a more modalistic approach. All would agree on the Protestant principles of the authority of Scripture, justification by faith, and the priesthood of all believers.



Many, but not all, NAR apostolic networks and ministries have formulated their own statements of doctrines and beliefs. They would use different language, different formats, different priorities, and different attention to details. Most of them would be written by the apostolic leader of the group, and they would be subject to revision when and if necessary. None of them expresses the viewpoint of the entire NAR.



The apostolic network with which I am personally affiliated is Global Spheres, Inc. (GSI) of Corinth, Texas. Chuck Pierce is the President and I am Vice-President. As the apostolic leader, it would fall to the lot of Pierce to write the first draft of the statement of belief, which he did. He passed it by me for any revisions that I might have. Then it was released.



For the benefit of those seriously researching the NAR, I am going to make our statement of beliefs part of this paper. Let me be clear This is not a statement reflecting the entire NAR. Many will disagree, in different intensities, with some of the articles. But for those flowing in the stream of NAR, these disagreements will not be divisive. Each side will respect the other's point of view.



Here is our GSI statement:



Global Spheres, Inc.

Global Spheres Center: An Oasis for the Nations Glory of Zion International Ministries, Inc.: An Expression of One New Man



The Belief System ...

The Revelation That Advances the Above Kingdom Entities Forward and Constitutes the Foundations for our Future



WE BELIEVE IN...



1. A COVENANT-KEEPING GOD - He was before creation and ordered all of the processes in Earth. He formed a relationship with humans. Abraham was the first one with whom He "cut" covenant in the Earth. From His covenant with us He formed a land and a people, Israel, to fulfill His plans in the Earth. God will not violate His covenant.



2. ISRAEL, AS GOD'S COVENANT NATION AND PEOPLE - God came to His covenant people first to redeem and restore communion to Himself. The people of Israel, the Jews, even in times of unbelief, are still His covenant people. When they rejected Him, He came to the Gentiles. We, "wild olive branches," are grafted into the root of Abraham to share in Israel's blessings. God has promised great blessing to the land of Israel and its people (Dt. 28), and we can share in those blessings by faith. We have not replaced Israel, but are called to intercede for Israel's full restoration. God's goal is for Jew and Gentile to be united in faith as "One New Man," enjoying together the fullness of Abraham's blessings. As those who have been grafted into God's covenant, we are called to stand with God's covenant land. Every nation will be reconciled around this land (Ephesians 2:11-18).



3. OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN- The covenant keeping God is the Father of all humankind. The Father loves you and has a good plan for your life! God is the Father of your spirit (Hebrews 2:1). Your human bloodline may have issues, but your spirit comes from God. Though He used a male and female in your creation, He knit you together in your mother's womb (Ps 139). If you know that, you can overcome any adverse inheritance in your bloodline. God loves you enough and is committed to you to accomplish His plan for your life. If you will agree with God, He is faithful to bring you into the fullness of your unique, destined plan (Phil. 1:6).



4. JESUS, YESHUA, THE MESSIAH - God loves you so much that He sent His Son (John 3:16). He came and dwelt among us to reveal the Father. Yeshua, Jesus of Nazareth, for 40 days withstood the enemy and adversary of our soul, Satan, and overcame every temptation that would be known to humankind. He submitted Himself to the Father of creation and became a sacrifice upon a tree for all mankind. This liberated us from the curse of death and destruction. This also caused the schism between Father-God and mankind to be reconciled. Because of the shedding of His blood, we now have access to come boldly before Father. Jesus perfectly represented the Father of creation to the earth realm. Through our relationship with Yeshua, Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, we can now know our Father and have eternal Life.



5. HOLY SPIRIT - Jesus overcame death, hell and the grave, and ascended to sit at Father's right hand. In ascending, He left Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Trinity, here in the earth. The Holy Spirit comes to release the life and holiness of God to us. He points us to the fullness of Jesus. He desires to make us supernatural creatures, equipped to do the works of God in the earth. The Holy Spirit, working through humans, is the restraining force of evil in the earth realm. (To learn more about Holy Spirit we recommend you read The Book of Acts: A Commentary.)



6. THE WORD - Jesus was and is the Word incarnate. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. The whole Bible is ours. All Scripture (Old and New Testaments) is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for us today. The Old Testament is just as much a revelation of the Father's heart as the New Testament. Under the New Covenant, however, we relate the Scriptures through Grace. Our relationship with God is not based on an external, legalistic code, but on the life of God dwelling in us through His Spirit. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God (Romans 10).



7. LAW AND GRACE - The law was not given as a "works" system through which we could earn acceptance with God. Biblically, "Law" means "the teaching of God." Law was given as a picture of God's character and a window into God's heart. Because God knew we could never achieve the righteousness the Law described, He sent Jesus as the ultimate manifestation of His grace and love. Through the New Covenant, God's law is now written in and on our hearts. The path to righteousness is not through striving to keep an external standard, but in allowing Holy Spirit to produce His fruit in us. (You can read more about law and grace in Set Yourself Free.)



8. REDEMPTION AND RESTORATION - Your past does not have to control your future. You can disqualify yourself from ministry by choosing to violate God's Word, but if you truly repent, God will always open a path to restoration. Your destiny is not ruined when you make a mistake. A key to walking in restoration and blessing is the concept of firstfruits. If we bring God our best, then He will bless the rest. (To learn more about redemption and restoration, we suggest you read Redeeming the Time and Possessing Your Inheritance.)



9. CELEBRATING FIRSTFRUITS and GIVING - Giving and sacrifice are keys to worship. We give as He gave. He gave His best, His only son. Therefore, because of our gratitude for that gift, we are motivated and excited about giving our best. He gave us life, so with all that we have we want to honor Him first. Jesus said, "Seek the Kingdom first and all will be added to you!" Proverbs 3:9, 10 says, "Honor the Lord with your possessions, and with the firstfruits of your increase; so your barns will be filled with plenty and your vats with new wine!" God instituted the celebration of Rosh Chodesh at each New Moon (Lev. 23, Num. 28:11-15, Ps. 8:13). When we bring our best or firstfruits to Him and celebrate by worshipping Him, we will continue to move from harvest to harvest.



10. COMMUNION WITH GOD through DEMONSTRATIVE AND INTIMATE WORSHIP: A FAITH EXPRESSION - In the beginning, God planted a garden and made humans the tenders of that garden. This was God's place where He could commune with humans. That is still His goal. He told Moses to prepare a special place where He could dwell among His people. We are called to establish God's manifest presence and power in a place so that from that place we can be sent forth. This is God's principle of tabernacling with humans. Because of our belief in Jesus' resurrection, we are called to worship. Our worship is linked into His resurrection power. God wants the worship that takes place in heaven to be manifested in the earth. Our highest call is to be worshipers of the true and living Creator-God. As we worship Him, His presence is manifested in our midst. As we praise, He inhabits our being and our place. Our worship is an expression of faith. Worship unlocks revelation.



11. THE OPERATION OF SPIRITUAL GIFTS - When Jesus ascended He gave gifts to humankind. These gifts enable God's people to operate in supernatural dimensions and thereby accomplish the Father's purposes in the earth. God calls all His people to minister with these gifts - regardless of gender, race, identity or past sin. God provided a specific order and alignment for these gifts (first apostle, second prophet, third teacher...) so that His people can be equipped to function as a mighty army in the earth. The Holy Spirit is in the earth to manifest these gifts in God's people, from generation to generation. (We suggest you read Experiencing the Spirit and Your Spiritual Gifts Can Help Your Church Growto learn more about spiritual gifts.)



12. THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND APOSTOLIC GOVERNMENT - We serve a King who is advancing a Kingdom. The King has chosen to position His Kingdom within humankind. He sends those who have His Kingdom within them into every aspect of society's culture. The Kingdom of God is here now! The seven mountains of society are meant to be influenced and dominated by the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom has Jesus Christ as the cornerstone and apostles properly related to prophets form the foundation of the Kingdom. Apostles create and execute God's prototype plan in the earth and through each nation of the earth until there is a house of prayer built for every people group. Jesus taught us to pray that God's Kingdom would come to earth as it is in heaven. (To learn more about the Kingdom of God we recommend you read Apostles Today and Apostles and Prophets.)



13. PROPHETS AND PROPHECY - We believe God speaks today. Prophecy is an outflow of God's heart, nature and mind. We are called to seek all spiritual gifts, but especially to prophesy (1 Cor. 14:1). The privilege of every believer is to learn to hear and interact with the Father's voice. God promises if we will pay attention to His prophets, we will succeed! Knowing that God speaks is not enough; we must hear and respond to the voice of the one speaking! Prophets decree heaven's will. (To learn more about prophets and prophecy, we recommend you read The Future War of the Church, God's Unfolding Battle Plan, and Fighting for Your Prophetic Promises.)



14. SPIRITUAL WARFARE - Because we represent a Kingdom, we are at war to enforce Kingdom principles and plans in the earth. We are at war and must be equipped to stand against the enemy. Accomplishing God's purposes on earth is not without opposition. We are called to stand against the enemy and set his captives free. To enable us to stand in warfare, God provides His spiritual armor and weapons. We war from our abiding place in God. We ascend in worship and then descend in war. When you have conquered one enemy, the warfare for that season ends and you enter the REST of the land (Hebrews 4). (To learn more about spiritual warfare, we recommend you read Prayers that Outwit the Enemy, Restoring Your Shield of Faith and Spiritual Warfare Strategies.)



15. THE COMMISSION TO DISCIPLE and HEAL NATIONS - From the beginning of God's covenant with Abraham, His plan was to bless all the nations. One of the purposes of the nation of Israel was to show the other nations how they could relate to God. They were to live in such a way that the glory of the Lord would be on them and Gentiles would be drawn to them (Is. 60). His House was to be a joyful House of Prayer for all the nations (Is. 56:6-7). When the Jews rejected Jesus, they missed fulfilling this portion of their destiny. But that did not negate God's plan for all the nations to be blessed. Through Jesus, the Messiah, there is a remnant that has formed, called the Church. This group is called to be a light to the nations to all that unredeemed Israel did not reach. Through the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit, the Church can display the power and glory of God for sinners to be drawn to salvation and equipped to do the works of Jesus in the earth. God promised Abraham that all the nations of the earth would be blessed through him. Before He ascended, Jesus sent His disciples out to fulfill this promise and commanded them to disciple the nations - helping whole nations to be disciples of the Lord. From generation to generation, the Lord develops His Church to disciple the nations until the fullness of His plan has been completed and all nations have been restored. This is the outworking of God's covenant promise to Abraham. Because Gentiles are grafted into this covenant, we can fulfill our commission.

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So you believe there are still apostles?
 
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MaggieMye

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Absolutely! Can you find ANYWHERE in Scripture where is says that they were to come to an end and WHEN they were to come to an end?

No, you can't because it is not there.

Maggie
 

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THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND APOSTOLIC GOVERNMENT - We serve a King who is advancing a Kingdom. The King has chosen to position His Kingdom within humankind. He sends those who have His Kingdom within them into every aspect of society's culture. The Kingdom of God is here now!

The seven mountains of society are meant to be influenced and dominated by the Kingdom of God.

Apostles create and execute God's prototype plan in the earth and through each nation of the earth until there is a house of prayer built for every people group.

God promises if we will pay attention to His prophets, we will succeed!

Knowing that God speaks is not enough; we must hear and respond to the voice of the one speaking! Prophets decree heaven's will.

we are at war to enforce Kingdom principles and plans in the earth.
DOMINIONISM: secret societies

To most effectively propagate their agenda, dominionist leaders first developed new ecclesiologies, eschatologies and soteriologies for targeted audiences along the major denominational fault lines of evangelical Christianity.

Then the 1990s Promise Keepers men’s movement was used as a vehicle to “break down the walls”, i.e., cross denominational barriers for the purpose of exporting dominionism to the wider evangelical subculture.7

This strategy was so effective that it reached into the mainline Protestant denominations.

Dominionists have carefully selected leaders to be trained as “change agents” for “transformation” (dominion) in an erudite manner that belies the media stereotype of southern-talking, Bible-thumping, fundamentalist half-wits.

Since the latter half of the 1990s the three major dominionists sects have openly converged into an ecumenical force.These three branches of dominionism are linked historically at many levels, and there is solid documentation to support the idea that the current convergence was planned and intentional.17

While Leftists focused their attentions on political dominionists in American politics and what was going on in Iraq, the three movements went global. This new confederation of dominionists has been rapidly advancing its kingdom across the globe through “economic, social, political and spiritual transformation.”18

To achieve this paradigm shift, the global dominionists have employed sophisticated psycho-social methodologies, statistical research, socio-economic development tools, marketing research, strategic planning, assessments, databanking and monitoring, and technical assistance.

They are also aggressively forming alliances with national and international governments, corporations, individuals, private agencies, philanthropic groups and other entities.

COR (the Coalition on Revival) “determined that it is mandatory for all Christians to implement that worldview in society, particularly as it applies to the dominionist interpretation of the Great Commission.”19

These spheres didn’t disappear when COR began to fade off the radar screen. They have a new life. The worldview sphere documents have now gone global by becoming incorporated into mission agendas.

Mission groups are now partnering with national and international governments, business corporations, NGOs, humanitarian entities and others to build their kingdom in the cultural spheres of selected nations around the globe

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2. The 3-legged stool.The dominionist’s kingdom must be advanced on Earth by gaining control of governments (State), utilizing business (Corporations) and partnering with social sector (Church) institutions. New bridges are being built based on triangular relationship between all three sectors of society. The Church is forming partnerships (or collaborations) with State and/or Corporate interests in order to implement dominion. Peter Drucker, the management guru, was instrumental in overseeing the implementation of this agenda – to create a three-legged “healthy society” globally – via Rick Warren of purpose-driven fame.

Warren was mentored by Drucker, as were a number of other evangelical leaders such as Bob Buford of Leadership Network. Buford trained an entire generation of aspiring megachurch pastors in Drucker’s social philosophies. The megachurches are based on the Drucker corporate business model. Drucker’s ideas also undergird the faith-based (Church-State) movement which has been politically championed by the neoconservatives in Washington.21

Dominionism is significantly breaking down the walls between Church and Corporations (see point 4 below). In brief, the three-legged stool of dominionism looks like this:


CORPORATE + STATE = Fascism


STATE + CHURCH = Faith-based


CHURCH + CORPORATE = Fusion: the Merchant Church



Drucker’s 3-legged stool model

. . .[The Peter F. Drucker Foundation for Nonprofit Management], created ten years ago to honor Peter Drucker’s contributions to management and leadership, believes that a healthy society requires three vital sectors: a public sector of effective governments; a private sector of effective businesses; and a social sector of effective community organizations, including faith-based organizations. It furthers its mission to lead social sector organizations toward excellence in performance by providing educational opportunities and resources.22

Leadership Network


http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/sarah-leslie/dominionism.htm

COMMUNITARIANISM
 

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Communitarianism, Amitai Etzioni, and the Kabbalah


Communitarianism is a “Third Way” compromise between Capitalism and Communism.Communitarianism is not Fascism nor is it Communism, but a synthesis of these opposing ideologies which preceded it.It draws government-business partnerships from Fascism and employs group decision-making from Communism.Communitarianism will resemble a corporate state (Fascism) in which the elite will work under capitalist rules to continue generating wealth while the working class will be controlled by Communist model laws.The Communitarian synthesis incorporates not only elements of Fascism and Communism, but also Globalism.

The impending economic collapse of the United States along with the financial markets of the world will create the conditions necessary for a global Communitarian society. U.S. President Barack Obama is a Communitarian whose Cabinet and staff will function as a Third Way governing board.It is significant that Barack Obama’s base as a “community organizer” was Chicago’s churches: “President Obama began his career on the South Side of Chicago, working with a coalition of churches to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods. During the election, people all across the country talked about feeling a new sense of civic engagement and got involved in politics for the first time. Now, President Obama and Vice President Biden are counting on Americans from all walks of life to serve the nation and help address the problems we face—and they're committed to building the infrastructure and providing the resources that will make it possible.” [FONT=Times New Roman,serif]2. [/FONT]

Shortly after he took office, President Obama signed an Executive Order establishing the White House Office for Faith-Based and Community Partnerships. Churches who sign on with this faith-based initiative will be required to compromise in many ways, such as refraining from sharing the Gospel and employing non-believers in their programs. It appears there will be serious legal consequences for refusal to employ whomever may apply, even Muslims, Satanists, homosexuals and pedophiles:

“On February 5, 2009, President Barack Obama signed an executive order establishing the new White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships (‘Faith-Based office’) which is intended to ‘work on behalf of Americans committed to improving their communities, no matter their religious or political beliefs.’ Per President Obama, ‘the White House Office for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships will be a resource for nonprofits and community organizations, both secular and faith based: looking for ways to make a bigger impact in their communities, learn their obligations under the law, cut through red tape, and make the most of what the federal government has to offer.’

“Obama’s overriding reason for establishing this office is because he believes that ‘our problems require an ‘all hands on deck’ approach, and that the federal government should enlist effective faith-based and community groups to help solve them.’ Of course, Obama’s strong support of faith-based and community partnership initiatives stems from his early years as a hands-on community organizer on Chicago’s South Side...

“The President’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based & Neighborhood Partnerships...will be overseen by a 25-member advisory board of ‘religious and secular leaders and scholars from different backgrounds’ appointed to one-year terms. The Faith-Based Advisory Council will be headed by Rev. Joshua DuBois, the 26-year-old Pentecostal pastor who served as director of religious affairs for Obama’s Presidential campaign. Included on the influential Council are [Evangelical and Baptist ministers including]... Rev. Jim Wallis, President & Executive Director, Sojourners..., Dr. Frank S. Page, President emeritus, Southern Baptist Convention...” 3.

The following description of Communitarianism from the Rockefeller expose, [FONT=Times New Roman,serif]Thy Will Be Done; The Conquest of the Amazon[/FONT], shows how central the apostate church will be in the coming Communitarian global government: “…communitarianism, a system of church-centered community ownership of property that vaguely would include private ownership of homes and land.” 4. Authors Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett documented the tragic outcome of communitarianism in Latin America — a genocidal campaign conducted by death squads that were funded by Evangelical churches in the United States. (“Antipas: CIA Connections”)

According to Niki Raapana, co-founder of the Anti-Communitarian League, “The leader of the unheralded transition to a communitarian system in the U.S. is the Israeli Zionist founder of the Communitarian Network, Dr. Amitai Etzioni.” 5. Amitai Etzioni, born a German Jew named Werner Falk, is a former member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the founder of American Communitarianism, the founder and director of the Communitarian Network, and possibly the most influential man in American politics today.

According to Amitai Etzioni, “Nationalism must be ended. It is a creed that has come to burden the expansion of globalism.” 6. “The communitarian agenda is to eliminate all nations and establish an all-powerful, central global government.” 7.

Amitai Etzioni was a student of Martin Buber at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. 8. Martin Buber was a German Zionist Jew and a Kabbalist who embraced the teachings of Hasidism.“In addition to studying Kabbalah with Gershom Scholem, Etzioni worked with Buber himself…” 9. “…he [Amitai Etzioni] studied the Kabbalah and the Hegelian dialectic.” 10.

Why did Werner Falk change his name to Amitai Etzioni?Niki Raapana explains: “The Kabbalah is often described as The Truth Tree or The Tree of Knowledge (Amitai Etzioni means Tree of Knowledge from Zion).” 11. “Communitarian legal theory is based in part in the Kabbalah.” 12. <!--[if !supportFootnotes]--> <!--[endif]-->

“Etzioni's new communitarian idea of ‘community [FONT=Times New Roman,serif]spirit[/FONT]’ is based in the Talmud, Hegel, and the theosophical ideas expressed by Madame Blavatsky and Aleister Crowley. They, along with many other gurus, introduced Americans to the worship of Lucifer as the ultimate ‘light being.’ One Thousand Points of Light is a whole program based on Satanic ‘community oriented’ principles.” 13. The Talmud is the textbook of Jewish Rabbis and the basis of Judaism.The Kabbalah is the “blood and bone” of the Talmud.


The Talmud and the Noahide Laws


Niki Raapana wrote in “The Role of Religion in the Communitarian Synthesis”: “The theory of Communitarianism has its own Law, its own guru, its own theoretical basis, and another set of laws based in the Talmud, which is being taught to American lawyers and judges at the Judaic Law Institute in Washington D.C. Communitarian and Talmudic Law supersedes all other national and religious laws.” 14.

http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org/communitarianism.htm
 

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Peter Drucker, the Kabbalah, and Total Quality Management (TQM)



Communitarians refer to the creation of a world government as the effort to create a &#8220;healthy society.&#8221;The goal of the church growth movement (CGM) is to manipulate Christians and churches into this healthy society.&#8220;Health-based&#8221; language is sometimes used in the CGM.Some church growth leaders desire &#8220;healthy churches&#8221; and &#8220;healthy congregations&#8221; made up of &#8220;healthy Christians.&#8221;A healthy church would be one in which all members are willing to compromise the Word of God for the common good.

Communitarians believe that attaining a healthy society involves the successful merger of the 3 sectors of society.It requires a merger of the government sector, the private sector (business) and the social sector (which includes the churches).This merger is also known as &#8220;Drucker&#8217;s 3-legged stool,&#8221; named after its main proponent, Peter Drucker, who is considered to be the &#8220;father of modern management.&#8221;Peter Drucker, like Amitai Etzioni, was a Communitarian and was also a student of the Kabbalah.

According to Roger Oakland&#8217;s &#8220;Bob Buford, Peter Drucker, and the Emerging Church,&#8221; Peter Drucker, like Amitai Etzioni, shared a bond with the Kabbalist, Martin Buber.Roger Oakland stated, &#8220;Drucker felt a strong bond&#8230;with a panentheist/ mystic named Martin Buber (1878-1965), who embraced the teachings of Hasidism (Jewish mysticism).&#8221; In his book, &#8220;Between Man and Man&#8221; (New York, NY: Routledge Classics, 2002, first published in 1947), p. 219, Buber states, &#8216;Since 1900 I had first been under the influence of German mysticism from Meister Eckhart [a mystic] ... then I had been under the influence of the later Kabalah [Jewish mysticism] and of Hasidism.&#8217;&#8221; 32.

Communitarianism
 

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I AM AGAINST THE N.A.R.

 

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A MESSAGE FROM PETER ** November 21, 2011

THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION
What Are Its Beliefs?

11-20-11 C. Peter Wagner-
Galatians 1:9
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
 

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you're teaching heresy and satanism maggie.
i'm not letting you get away with it.

you go to the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN if you want to.

i'll fight you every step of the way if you try to take anyone with you.
 
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I'm content withe the revelation Jesus gave the apostles and prophets 2000 years ago.
 
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Unity of the Faith means to mind the same things, speak the same things. There is some points of doctrine (teaching) that do not faithfully reflect true Apostolic doctrine as was taught by Jesus and his Apostles.

If a teaching is contrary to scripture, we can not, repeat, can not respect any opinion other than the word of God, to do otherwise constitutes confusion and falsehood.
 

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A MESSAGE FROM PETER ** November 21, 2011

THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION
What Are Its Beliefs?

11-20-11 C. Peter Wagner
Roots of the NAR and NOLR: Jane Leade & The Philadelphian Society


Jane Leade and her followers are premier spokesmen.

When JL speaks forward the doctrines of the Manifestation of Christ upon the Earth in the Nazarite Sons and Daughters of God” she is summing up a series of doctrines including spiritual alchemy, astrology, Kabbalah, hermeticism etc. that also mirrors Rosicrucian doctrine.

I have good reason to believe that at least some of the PS members were Rosicrucians in the fullest sense of the word. The PS as well as their 21st-century Word-of-Faith and NOLR (New Order of the Latter Rain) followers are promoting and practicing all the Rosicrucian beliefs in one form or another however cleverly they are wrapped in Christian terminology.

Just as Rabbis who tell us there are four levels of interpreting scripture that result in “levels” or difference definitions for the same terms used in scripture, the leaders of the NOLR can express an outwardly orthodox Christian Gospel while simultaneously believe and practice the Gospel using the Kabbalah and hermetic doctrines as interpretive lenses.

This is one of the main reasons why these people are able to appear as “angels of light” and evil manifests through them as well. Questioning the leaders as to the meaning of biblical terms they use is what they cannot stand....

...The writings of Jane Leade and the rest of the PS members spells out exactly what they mean and why they believed it.

That Chuck Pierce, C. Peter Wagner, Robert Heidler, Barbara Wentroble and many others are teaching Christian Kabbalah in conferences such as Glory of Zion Ministries: Starting the Year Off Right” Conference on Jan. 2-6, 2008 in Denton, TX shows they are finally coming out of the closet with what they formerly hid during the formation of their theosophical enterprise that now has evolved using grandiose titles such as the United States Apostolic Alliance (USAA) “The Next Phase of the [Reincarnated] Apostolic Reformation.”

http://www.usapostolicalliance.org/

Knowing full well that the Sharon Brethren and others that formed an entire movement on Rosicrucian and British Israel doctrines stemming from embracing occult Kabbalist doctrines of Reincarnation, namely, Gilgul and Tikkun Olam, just amazes me.

Doesn’t God state that he will bless or curse a nation based upon what they do with His Son’s offer of redemption as in II Chron 7:14 as well as turning from their wicked ways?

I believe He does and if He does, then Wagner, Sheets, Weiner, Broocks, Hamon, Joyner, Bickle, etc. are bringing down the USA by causing Christians to submit themselves to leaders who embraced the occult doctrine of reincarnation!! We get one chance in life to respond to the message of the Cross.

We don’t have the past souls of Israel transmigrating in our bodies to fulfill yet another chance at “perfection.”

Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and not the temples of the souls of the original Apostles and Prophets that transmigrated through time and subsequently into our bodies. These hidden beliefs are what is behind British Israelism, Mormonism, Freemasonry and the New Order of the Latter Rain as formed through the North Battleford Saskatchewan Revival circa 1947-1953.

Does Kissinger see the Latter Rain’s infiltration of the church as a sign that because of this infection, now is the time to eliminate the US Constitution and implement the New World Religion of the Illuminati?

It sure looks like that is his plan and Wagner and Co. are doing their best job of playing “Judas Goat” in leading the American, Canadian and European church straight into it by indoctrination into the Christianized Mystery School religions.

Bickle, Joyner, Engle and their whole entourage are pulling from the Rosicrucian doctrines of Count von Zinzendorf...

Both of these people, along with the Philadelphians, embraced the Lurian Kabbalah to form a hybrid religion we now know as Christian Kabbalah.

http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/roots-of-the-nar-and-nolr-jane-leade-the-philadelphian-society/
 
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CrimsonFlames

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Um wow., just wow., which heresy do I refute first.., that is offtap!!

And yes., as Zone said.., straight up witchcraft!!
 
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CrimsonFlames

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Absolutely! Can you find ANYWHERE in Scripture where is says that they were to come to an end and WHEN they were to come to an end?

No, you can't because it is not there.

Maggie

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the TWELVE APOSTLES of the Lamb.

2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in SIGNS, and WONDERS, and MIGHTY DEEDS.

Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many SIGNS AND WONDERS WROUGHT among the people;

Such "signs" or evidences that they were divinely commissioned
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the TWELVE APOSTLES of the Lamb.

2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in SIGNS, and WONDERS, and MIGHTY DEEDS.

Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many SIGNS AND WONDERS WROUGHT among the people;

Such "signs" or evidences that they were divinely commissioned
revelation 21:14 notwithstanding we know that there were more than twelve apostles... paul and barnabas were also apostles...

that doesn't prove that there are apostles today...but it does mean revelation 21:14 cannot be used to argue against modern apostles since the bible does name other apostles in addition to those twelve...

and i am pretty sure that the 'new apostolic reformation' churches do attribute miracles to their apostles...so they would argue that their movement is in agreement with acts 5:12 and 2 corinthians 12:12
 
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AnandaHya

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  1. Matthew 24:24
    For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
  2. Mark 13:22
    For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

  3. John 4:48
    Then Jesus said to him, &#8220;Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will by no means believe.&#8221;
2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,


ever notice that signs and wonders don't save? how many ate the fish and bread Jesus gave to the multitudes? yet only 120 disciples endured...


John 6
26 Jesus answered them and said, &#8220;Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.
 
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Laodicea

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Also there may be some which say they are apostles and are not
Revelation 2:2
(2) I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: