The new covenant with Christ Jesus

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chubbena

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Elin said:
Red herring.

It's not about taking out any part of the Bible,
it's about believing what was spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
regarding those parts.
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Same answer: Unless he is a rebellious son who not only overturned the Father's will but also ate his own words but that's not what the scripture says and definitely not what Hebrews 1:1-3 says: In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
 
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chubbena

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Elin said:
And so do I, including what was spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers regarding them.
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One must ask himself what is to believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets. To believe everything is not to believe everything?
 
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Elin

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just-me said:
Facetious as this is, it sure speaks volumes. According to post #18 is it any wonder why love is waxing cold? The old covenant is where love (in detail) is endorsed, yet we all say that we fulfill the law by loving God and each other.
By what standards do we exact that love if the instructions no longer apply because of a new covenant?
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Red herring.

You really don't know the NT, do you.

The standards are written on the hearts of those in the new covenant of Jesus Christ.

I don't need a written code to tell me not

to worship idols or take God's name in vain (of course saying Gee does not count),
to disrespect my parents,
to murder others,
to commit adultery with the spouses of others,
to steal from others,
to lie about others,
to lust after the possessions of others."old" scripture.I could name a lot more based on the heart disposition given in the new covenant.

And I don't need a written code to tell me to
drive my elderly neighbor to the doctor, or grocery store,
or invite her over to eat with us.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to take my neighbor's dog home when he gets out.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to care for my sick sibling.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to give my employer a full day's work.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to tutor a kid having trouble in school.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to be kind and patient.

Etc., etc., etc.

Do you?
 
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Elin

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just-me said:
So you're saying Jesus is not the creator of all things?
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Shoe horning again. . .

It's got nothing to do with the original creation.

And covenants are not creations.

Creation is to bring into existence from nothing but God's word spoken.

Covenants come into existence by shed blood.
 
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chubbena

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Elin said:
Not sure how you're relating that to

"This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." (Lk 22:20)
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Again, unless the son is a rebellious one who made His Will obsolete and ate His own word, and, unless the new covenant is not the new covenant spoke of by the prophets.
One cannot take a bite at the buffet table and leave what's remained there - the Word of God spoke the whole book of Jeremiah, not just chapter 31.
 
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Elin

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biscuit said:
That's why it is so important to have a solid understanding of both OT & NT. One represents the hand while the other is the glove. They co-exist & interwoven just like the Holy Trinity.

I am just appalled as to the number of Christians who are not familiar with the Bible (OT & NT).
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It's called Christian lite.
 
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Elin

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just-me said:
Then in your opinion
do you believe that God never had any grace until the fulfillment of Jesus Christ?
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Regarding the topic of discussion, the old covenant was based on law, not grace.

Expanding the discussion to Abraham, it was grace that credited faith to him as righteousness.

All unilateral covenants are of free grace, they require no performance by the participant.
 
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Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

Elin said:
Red herring.

You really don't know the NT, do you.

The standards are written on the hearts of those in the new covenant of Jesus Christ.

I don't need a written code to tell me not

to worship idols or take God's name in vain (of course saying Gee does not count),
to disrespect my parents,
to murder others,
to commit adultery with the spouses of others,
to steal from others,
to lie about others,
to lust after the possessions of others."old" scripture.I could name a lot more based on the heart disposition given in the new covenant.

And I don't need a written code to tell me to
drive my elderly neighbor to the doctor, or grocery store,
or invite her over to eat with us.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to take my neighbor's dog home when he gets out.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to care for my sick sibling.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to give my employer a full day's work.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to tutor a kid having trouble in school.

Don't need a written code to tell me
to be kind and patient.

Etc., etc., etc.

Do you?
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Look at moral decline. What has brought this to bear? Ya think it might be that some (such as yourself) have preached that the instructions concerning the love of God must be abolished because of the new covenant? Or are Christians suppose to be oblivious to reality in your opinion?
 
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Elin

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just-me said:
Glad you admit that.
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I don't "admit" that, I proclaim it.

Here's Paul speaking
Acts 24:13-14
13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers,
believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
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Red herring.

And so do I, including what was spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers regarding them.

It's not about taking out any part of the Bible,
it's about believing what was spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
regarding those parts.

You're ranting is telling on you. I believe as Paul did. You don't
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Not unless you believe the law of Moses is subordinate to the law of grace.
 
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Elin

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chubbena said:
Is one expected to be serious with scoffers of the scripture whom not only tear it into pieces but also bite back with what's remained?
They are following exactly the attitude of Israel which Isaiah recorded: Leave this way, get off this path, and stop confronting us with the Holy One of Israel.
This is what the LORD says through Jeremiah: "Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, 'We will not walk in it'."
Nothing could stop them if all they want is their own covenant with death.
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Which is precisely what the old covenant is (Gal 3:10).
 
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Elin said:
Shoe horning again. . .

It's got nothing to do with the original creation.

And covenants are not creations.

Creation is to bring into existence from nothing but God's word spoken.

Covenants come into existence by shed blood.
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Really? Do you actually look at creation as the ecological system only?

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created , *that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Now concerning being "born again."
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe , if I tell you of heavenly things?

So the covenants are not creations of Jesus Himself? Get real. Goodness gracious, Pun intended.

What part might you not understand about "all things?"
 
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Elin

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chubbena said:
Same answer: Unless the Son is a rebellious one who made His Will obsolete and ate His own word.
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Same answer:

Not sure how you're relating that to

"This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." (Lk 22:20)
 
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Elin

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Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

chubbena said:
One must ask himself what is to believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets.
To believe everything is not to believe everything?
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Are you believing the NT also?
 
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Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

Elin said:
Same answer:

Not sure how you're relating that to

"This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." (Lk 22:20)
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Blood, the cup of the testament of Christ. There is power in the blood. This goes right to the temple worship that you have a major problem with concerning the old and the new. The instructions of love still apply. The temple made by human hands has vanished, not the instructions in righteousness according to the old covenant.
 
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Elin

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Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

chubbena said:
Elin said:
chubbena said:
Unless the Son is a rebellious one who made His Will obsolete and ate His own word.
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Not sure how you're relating that to

"This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." (Lk 22:20)
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Again, unless the son is a rebellious one who made His Will obsolete and ate His own word, and, unless the new covenant is not the new covenant spoke of by the prophets.
One cannot take a bite at the buffet table and leave what's remained there - the Word of God spoke the whole book of Jeremiah, not just chapter 31.
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Non-responsive.
 
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Elin

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just-me said:
Look at moral decline. What has brought this to bear?
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One thing pure and simple, lack of rebirth into eternal life.
 
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Originally Posted by just-me

Look at moral decline. What has brought this to bear?

Elin said:
One thing pure and simple, lack of rebirth into eternal life.
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Please answer all the questions I have asked on post #49. Or you can take them rhetorically if you want.
 
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Elin

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Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

just-me said:
Elin said:
Shoe horning again. . .

It's got nothing to do with the original creation.

And covenants are not creations.

Creation is to bring into existence from nothing but God's word spoken.

Covenants come into existence by shed blood.
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Really? Do you actually look at creation as the ecological system only?
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Red herring. . .

Read it again. . .and pay attention.

The original creation is not just matter on earth.
 
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Elin

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Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

just-me said:
Elin said:
Not sure how you're relating that to

"This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you."
(Lk 22:20)
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Blood, the cup of the testament of Christ. There is power in the blood. This goes right to the temple worship that you have a major problem with concerning the old and the new. The instructions of love still apply. The temple made by human hands has vanished, not
the instructions in righteousness according to the old covenant.
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All covered in the NT law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40; Gal 5:6).
 
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