THE NEW COVENANT

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Abiding, I like you, don't start getting rude. You've always been humble and respectful, don't lose that. By the way, both of those chapters start with, "In the latter days" I know for a fact that they haven't been fulfilled, I suggest you re-read them. Just claiming they are fulfilled isn't going to cut it. You show me where Israel has ever beat there swords into pruning hooks. And that they will know war no more. My country has never been in this position.
Both are correct; The country you desire to be in peace is in a land where people hate their neighbors. The land you should be looking for is the one you will find peace in. There is no peace on this earth. There is no peace in the flesh because there is a constant warring in our members. What you seek is a spiritual matter, and you will not beable to see it because it is something done within a person. Even Moses said the kingdom of heaven is near to your mouth. What do you believe Jesus meant when He asked for the coin of two parts that comes from the mouth of a stranger? It is the fulfillment of a law, and you have chosen not to believe this? These two things are directly related to one another.
 
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Im not sure You want opposing views Avina, either im wrong or you seem a tad grumpy lately.
Even In acts 1:6-8 it seems that some Jews can see only the physical things. If ya cant see
what Abraham saw. Then theres nothing I can share.By ill stop by and say Hi! :) now and then. Peace
 
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Im not sure You want opposing views Avina, either im wrong or you seem a tad grumpy lately.
Even In acts 1:6-8 it seems that some Jews can see only the physical things. If ya cant see
what Abraham saw. Then theres nothing I can share.By ill stop by and say Hi! :) now and then. Peace
I won't deny I've been a little grumpy the last couple days, lol. But that doesn't change what scripture says, it is a fact that God does everything in the physical first and then the spiritual, it is easy to see that in God's Word. But you still have not answered my questions. And I've asked them twice now.
 
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The country you desire to be in peace is in a land where people hate their neighbors.
Yes you're right, all the Arab countries around my country do hate us. But that is something that stems back to Isaac and Ishmael, and Jacob and Esau.

There is no peace in the flesh because there is a constant warring in our members. What you seek is a spiritual matter, and you will not beable to see it because it is something done within a person. This is good, but not what I'm talking about, nor seeking. I know my peace is in me, has nothing to do with Israel.

Even Moses said the kingdom of heaven is near to your mouth. What do you believe Jesus meant when He asked for the coin of two parts that comes from the mouth of a stranger?
Where is this in scripture, and also would you ellaborate on what you mean?

It is the fulfillment of a law, and you have chosen not to believe this? These two things are directly related to one another.
so as not to make assumptions, also need you to explain please. Thank You, Shalom
 
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Ramon

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#45
I'm probably just retarded this morning, but can you elaborate on what exactly you're wanting on these multiple questions? lol
Well, a covenant is something that involves great detail. There needs to be a reason for the covenant, and many other things go into it.

Could you answer these questions for both the old and the new covenant?

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Well, a covenant is something that involves great detail. There needs to be a reason for the covenant, and many other things go into it.

Could you answer these questions for both the old and the new covenant?

May Jesus bless you.
All I can say is God doesn't need witnesses to make a covenant, He's God, what He says is final. No notary public needed. lol The existing covenant now is the one made through Abraham and renewed through Yeshua, Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are ABRAHAM'S SEED, and HEIRS according to the PROMISE.
Now if that covenant was done this scripture wouldn't be here. As for the New Covenant, as my main post says with all the scripture attached to it, it is yet to come when Yeshua returns. Shalom
 

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All I can say is God doesn't need witnesses to make a covenant, He's God, what He says is final. No notary public needed. lol The existing covenant now is the one made through Abraham and renewed through Yeshua, Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are ABRAHAM'S SEED, and HEIRS according to the PROMISE.
Now if that covenant was done this scripture wouldn't be here. As for the New Covenant, as my main post says with all the scripture attached to it, it is yet to come when Yeshua returns. Shalom

Jesus already came. When we believe in Him through faith, we are born again. He replaces our heart of stone with a heart of flesh. He puts His Spirit into us. We become His People and He becomes our God. That is the New Covenant. That is what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for me.

God Bless You
 
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If i were to spend alot of time writing about all the OT prophecies explaining their fulfillment, I would be blamed
for spiritualizing scripture. But Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world. And some of the prophecies extend past
this age to the eternal state.

A good portion of OT prophecies have to be spiritualized unless your heart was truly made of real stone. :)
 
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If i were to spend alot of time writing about all the OT prophecies explaining their fulfillment, I would be blamed
for spiritualizing scripture. But Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.
But Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.A good portion of OT prophecies have to be spiritualized unless your heart was truly made of real stone. :)
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That's all you can come up with, the fact of the matter is, you can't come up with one verse that explains away the scriptures I've put.
But Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.
This is not the topic of discussion.
Basically you have side stepped all my questions, why don't you just admit you can't refute it, because you're trying to refute God's written Word?
 
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All I can say is God doesn't need witnesses to make a covenant, He's God, what He says is final. No notary public needed. lol The existing covenant now is the one made through Abraham and renewed through Yeshua, Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are ABRAHAM'S SEED, and HEIRS according to the PROMISE.
Now if that covenant was done this scripture wouldn't be here. As for the New Covenant, as my main post says with all the scripture attached to it, it is yet to come when Yeshua returns. Shalom
Sorry. Maybe I wasn't clear.

I am asking the details of the covenant. The inns and outs. Sure we say this covenant, or that covenant. But there are clauses to the covenant, and conditions. Things like that. There is a type of politic in making covenants, even with God.

I was wondering if you can explain the old covenant, and also, the new covenant, answering the questions I put up before.

Thank you.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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yaright

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Yes you're right, all the Arab countries around my country do hate us. But that is something that stems back to Isaac and Ishmael, and Jacob and Esau.

There is no peace in the flesh because there is a constant warring in our members. What you seek is a spiritual matter, and you will not beable to see it because it is something done within a person. This is good, but not what I'm talking about, nor seeking. I know my peace is in me, has nothing to do with Israel.

Where is this in scripture, and also would you ellaborate on what you mean?

so as not to make assumptions, also need you to explain please. Thank You,
Shalom
In the Book of Two Laws, chapter 30, you will find that Moses said the Word of God is near to your mouth; and with his life, Moses revealed that when we wait on our Lord, He will put in our mouth the things which need to be spoken. The fulfillment of these things are given according to law and hidden in parable language of the New Testament. Jesus gave witness in a hidden language, so that we would seek Him, that we would understand these laws on a personal plain, being instilled within us that we, from the heart know Him because of His love for us, and not because law said we must. There is a void between these two plains. In the first came the teaching according to the flesh, which you understand. The second first is according to the spirit of a man which you seem to have difficulty seeing because you look outwardly according to the flesh for answers. The Book of Two laws (Deuteronomy) speaks on two plains. One you can see, and the other is hidden from us until the day we understand we are made blind in our sin.
 

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And some of the prophecies extend past
this age to the eternal state.



Abiding, name one.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
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Abiding, name one.
I consider you as a friend. I consider you to be a strong witness of God's work in your life. The things I write are not meant to offend, I mean that sincerely. There are many others who have not considered the depth of your witness, and hopefully I complement that with the things I've been shown. There is a much greater purpose in our lives than who we think we are. You asked about the fulfillment of a law. It wasn't until I examined why Jesus said , "Abba" that I came to know how we should consider the One who created me in His image. When I became the father of two sons, and they became curious about everything they saw, touched, tasted, and thought of. When I carefully considered this, I began to understand what Jesus meant when He said, "Unless you become like one of these children, you will in no way enter into the Kingdom of Heaven"

From that Day, the way I considered who I thought I was, changed.
 
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Abiding, name one.
Avinu all the scriptures that are used as land promises. Im not wanting to just come in and
mess with you and then just leave. But im getting the idea that i dont belong in these forums
Its hard to discuss things with people with different views. So i should back out. But im not
running. To answer the question for instance the two prophecies you first gave me will
do. Think they were Isa2 and hmmm forgot the other.

You look for instance that beating your plowshares into pruning hooks is a literal thing, here on earth
probably with a nation and physical land. And I dont. And im not sure I want to spend the time
explaining a view that will just tick people off. I may just start my own threads. And stay out of others.
 
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Ramon

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I consider you as a friend. I consider you to be a strong witness of God's work in your life. The things I write are not meant to offend, I mean that sincerely. There are many others who have not considered the depth of your witness, and hopefully I complement that with the things I've been shown. There is a much greater purpose in our lives than who we think we are. You asked about the fulfillment of a law. It wasn't until I examined why Jesus said , "Abba" that I came to know how we should consider the One who created me in His image. When I became the father of two sons, and they became curious about everything they saw, touched, tasted, and thought of. When I carefully considered this, I began to understand what Jesus meant when He said, "Unless you become like one of these children, you will in no way enter into the Kingdom of Heaven"

From that Day, the way I considered who I thought I was, changed.
Amen. :) Thank you.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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In the Book of Two Laws, chapter 30, you will find that Moses said the Word of God is near to your mouth
Okay, what 2 books of the laws are you talking about, because there is on Torah/law, and 5 books of Moses. Plus chapter 30 isn't telling me anything.

The second first is according to the spirit of a man which you seem to have difficulty seeing because you look outwardly according to the flesh for answers.
I consider you a friend also, and you have not read everything that I've ever posted in cc. So don't make judgement calls about my spiritual life that you have absolutely no clue on. I don't look outwardly on anything and no post of mine ever indicates such.

I too have children and have thought about that verse many times,(unless you come unto me as one of these little ones, etc.) God has shown me many things in my walk through my children.
 
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Okay, what 2 books of the laws are you talking about, because there is on Torah/law, and 5 books of Moses. Plus chapter 30 isn't telling me anything.

I consider you a friend also, and you have not read everything that I've ever posted in cc. So don't make judgement calls about my spiritual life that you have absolutely no clue on. I don't look outwardly on anything and no post of mine ever indicates such.

I too have children and have thought about that verse many times,(unless you come unto me as one of these little ones, etc.) God has shown me many things in my walk through my children.
I am shown that law is and was given on two plains. One we can see, and the other we cannot see in the outward sense. The name or term Deuteronomy has been translated by some as "The first, and the second first" The elements of law are given on two plains. Using the creature "swine" as an example; Every creature has a specific nature "according to each kind" which can be found in a man. If a man does not carefully consider the word of God as food for his own soul, the very same food which nourishes and strengthens a man in his relationship with our heavenly Father, that man is 'partaking' of the nature of the swine. In partaking of that specific nature, that man becomes a legal vessel for demons to enter. Jesus demonstrated with His life, the meaning of the demon possessed man in relation to the herd of swine.

Those who kept the law according to the flesh, did not eat the flesh of the swine. But to keep the law in this manner concerning the flesh, will not save a man. In this specific parable language, the demon possessed man ran to Jesus and fell at His feet to worship Him. Immediately, that man, having considered the Word of God (Jesus), became an illegal vessel for demons that drove this man in his sin, into the death of sin. When the demons were cast out of the man, Jesus illustrated what happened to the man. The demons entered into the swine and immediate the swine ran down a hillside and (drowned) died in the sea. When a man does not carefully consider (by nature that chews the cud) the Word of God as food food for his own soul, when demons enter, that man does not walk toward his death; that man immediately dies where sin takes him. All the teaching of swine given both the Old and New Testament, are given on these two plains. One you can see, but the other is hidden in it's nature. You can use this same principle concerning the sheep, the fish, the goat, the dog, the green olive tree, gold, silver; and virtually all of creation is given in law and words of the prophets are given on these two plains. This is the treasure I found not all that long ago. It is possible for you to see this, and I know there are Christians, when they read this witness, will identify this language as true, because they have known they are of the flock of sheep Jesus spoke of when He said that He will separate the goats from the sheep! Hopefully, everyone who carefully (chews the cud) consider the witness, they will know it is true.
 
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I am shown that law is and was given on two plains. One we can see, and the other we cannot see in the outward sense. The name or term Deuteronomy has been translated by some as "The first, and the second first" The elements of law are given on two plains. Using the creature "swine" as an example; Every creature has a specific nature "according to each kind" which can be found in a man. If a man does not carefully consider the word of God as food for his own soul, the very same food which nourishes and strengthens a man in his relationship with our heavenly Father, that man is 'partaking' of the nature of the swine. In partaking of that specific nature, that man becomes a legal vessel for demons to enter. Jesus demonstrated with His life, the meaning of the demon possessed man in relation to the herd of swine.

Those who kept the law according to the flesh, did not eat the flesh of the swine. But to keep the law in this manner concerning the flesh, will not save a man. In this specific parable language, the demon possessed man ran to Jesus and fell at His feet to worship Him. Immediately, that man, having considered the Word of God (Jesus), became an illegal vessel for demons that drove this man in his sin, into the death of sin. When the demons were cast out of the man, Jesus illustrated what happened to the man. The demons entered into the swine and immediate the swine ran down a hillside and (drowned) died in the sea. When a man does not carefully consider (by nature that chews the cud) the Word of God as food food for his own soul, when demons enter, that man does not walk toward his death; that man immediately dies where sin takes him. All the teaching of swine given both the Old and New Testament, are given on these two plains. One you can see, but the other is hidden in it's nature. You can use this same principle concerning the sheep, the fish, the goat, the dog, the green olive tree, gold, silver; and virtually all of creation is given in law and words of the prophets are given on these two plains. This is the treasure I found not all that long ago. It is possible for you to see this, and I know there are Christians, when they read this witness, will identify this language as true, because they have known they are of the flock of sheep Jesus spoke of when He said that He will separate the goats from the sheep! Hopefully, everyone who carefully (chews the cud) consider the witness, they will know it is true.
That is amazing. I've never considered it that way before. Thank you for posting this.

God Bless You
 
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I am shown that law is and was given on two plains. One we can see, and the other we cannot see in the outward sense. The name or term Deuteronomy has been translated by some as "The first, and the second first" The elements of law are given on two plains. Using the creature "swine" as an example; Every creature has a specific nature "according to each kind" which can be found in a man. If a man does not carefully consider the word of God as food for his own soul, the very same food which nourishes and strengthens a man in his relationship with our heavenly Father, that man is 'partaking' of the nature of the swine. In partaking of that specific nature, that man becomes a legal vessel for demons to enter. Jesus demonstrated with His life, the meaning of the demon possessed man in relation to the herd of swine.

Those who kept the law according to the flesh, did not eat the flesh of the swine. But to keep the law in this manner concerning the flesh, will not save a man. In this specific parable language, the demon possessed man ran to Jesus and fell at His feet to worship Him. Immediately, that man, having considered the Word of God (Jesus), became an illegal vessel for demons that drove this man in his sin, into the death of sin. When the demons were cast out of the man, Jesus illustrated what happened to the man. The demons entered into the swine and immediate the swine ran down a hillside and (drowned) died in the sea. When a man does not carefully consider (by nature that chews the cud) the Word of God as food food for his own soul, when demons enter, that man does not walk toward his death; that man immediately dies where sin takes him. All the teaching of swine given both the Old and New Testament, are given on these two plains. One you can see, but the other is hidden in it's nature. You can use this same principle concerning the sheep, the fish, the goat, the dog, the green olive tree, gold, silver; and virtually all of creation is given in law and words of the prophets are given on these two plains. This is the treasure I found not all that long ago. It is possible for you to see this, and I know there are Christians, when they read this witness, will identify this language as true, because they have known they are of the flock of sheep Jesus spoke of when He said that He will separate the goats from the sheep! Hopefully, everyone who carefully (chews the cud) consider the witness, they will know it is true.
This is true! The Lord is amazing!!! :)

May Jesus bless you.