The NIV "Bible"? Satan's Masterpiece! By Pastor David Martin

[RachelBibleStudent]

oh and about the goliath problem...both the hebrew masoretic text and the greek septuagint say that elhanan killed goliath the gittite in 2 samuel 21:19...the king james version translators -added- the words 'the brother of' to this verse even though there are no such words in the original texts...

obviously king james' scholars were trying to resolve an apparent contradiction...but they took the wrong approach...adding to scripture...

the real solution to the apparent contradiction has to do with the fact that the philistines often referred to people by descriptive titles instead of personal names...for example all kings of gerar were called abimelech which means 'my father is king'...

the name 'goliath' means 'exile'...obviously referring to the small population of anakite giant refugees that went into exile in philistia after caleb conquered hebron and drove them out... the giants known as 'goliath' were clearly descendants of these original 'exiles' and were named for them...

the goliath mentioned in 2 samuel 21:19 is not the more famous exile or 'goliath' who was defeated by david...this was a different exile or 'goliath'... 1 chronicles 20:5 supplements the record of samuel by giving this goliath's actual personal name and relation to the more famous goliath...they were brothers...

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Well I think that the specification comes with which Goliath - David killed Goliath who was from Gath - Elhanan killed Goliath the Gittite.

I really don't think there is any difference here. So you must believe that the KJV has no errors in the translation? I love my KJV and that is the one I use the most but to say that the men who translated it couldn't make any errors would be foolish on my part.

Thanks I never knew that these other giants were killed also (or didn't pay that much attention) but I enjoyed looking that up.

God bless.

Hi there again peacefulbeliever,

to answer your question. Yes I do believe that the KJV is the inerrant and infallible word of God. I believe that the KJV has no errors at all. God said that He would preserve His words. In Psalm 12:6-7, we read:

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Psalm 12:6-7

And I believe we have those words of the LORD in the King James Bible. Now, I have heard that argument brought up as I was listening to an audio sermon just yesterday. About how there may have been a different Goliath or another Goliath. But what's interesting to note peacefulbeliever is that there is a cross reference for 2 Samuel 21:19. And it is 1 Chronicles 20:5. I encourage you to look it up for yourself peacefulbeliever, but I will post it in here:

And in 1 Chronicles 20:5, we read:

And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam. - 1 Chronicles 20:5

Now I am going to compare these two passages from the KJV to the ones in the NIV and let's see what happens when we do.


And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. - 2 Samuel 21:19 (KJV)


And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam. - 1 Chronicles 20:5 (KJV)


In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod. - 2 Samuel 21:19 (NIV ©1984)


In another battle with the Philistines, Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod. - 1 Chronicles 20:5 (NIV ©1984)


Now, if you notice the letters in Italics which I put in purple: the brother of in 2 Samuel 21:19 in the KJV. The King James Translators added those words in that passage of Scripture because they were not originally in the Hebrew. Another thing that is interesting is that the NIV translators in 1984 decided to leave out those words because they knew the KJV translators had added them in there. But in 2011, the NIV translators decided to add those words in 2 Samuel 21:19. Example:

In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod. (NIV ©1984)

In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod. - 2 Samuel 21:19 (NIV ©2011)

See how the NIV translators changed their minds? But when they did decide to add the words the brother of into 2 Samuel 21:19, they did not put them in italics, letting the reader know that they inserted those words in there. See, when I found out that the KJV translators put the words in italics which they had to insert into the text of Scripture, my respect for the KJV translators became greater. Those men back in 1611 who translated the Authorized Version truly had a strong reverence and conviction for the Holy Scriptures.

Truth be known, all bible versions have added words in them. Because when you are translating from one language to another, you can never do it exactly word for word. The difference is this: all the added words in the King James Bible are in italics letting the reader know they were added, while the added words in the modern versions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, NEB, etc are not in italics.

Hopefully now peacefulbeliever, you can see that it really was Lahmi (Goliath's brother) who Elhanan slew. 1 Chronicles 20:5 confirms for us that Elhanan really did slay the brother of Goliath and not Goliath himself. Also, the words: the brother of in 1 Chronicles 20:5 in the KJV are not in italics this time. Well, I hope this helped peacefulbeliever. I am glad that you have taken the time to research this particular issue and to read my responses in regard to it. Thanks again for your time peacefulbeliever, take care now and enjoy your weekend! God bless and shalom,

Justin

 

[ChosenbyHim]

I dont like the NIV..I feel that it waters down some of the scriptures. Like that scripture ih Isiah that says ''No weapon formed against you will prosper and I will condemn any tongue that speaks against you. The NIV changes condemn to refute. The NIV also has over 200 scriptures missing

Wow Dude653,

I never knew that the NIV changed the word "condemn" to "refute" in Isaiah 54:17. This particular change is definitely new to me even though that change has been in there ever since their 1984 edition. And even though I have known of the numerous verse deletions in the NIV and of the twisting of the Scriptures which it does too many times. It's amazing sometimes of what we can miss. And I am sure there are lots of more errors and contradictions in the NIV which I have still not spotted yet.

 

[resurrection33]

The NIV "Bible"? Satan's Masterpiece!

By Pastor David Martin​

The Hot Topic in the Church Today
The Bible version issue is the hot topic in the church today. As Christians, we must know what we believe and why we believe it like never before. The devil is out to destroy the faith of God's people in the Bible and he is doing a good job. The first question recorded in the word of God was asked by Satan. He said to Eve, "Yea, hath God said...?" (Genesis 3:1) That question is still being asked today. Each time a new version shows up it throws doubt on the word of God. The question today is, "Which Bible is the Word of God?"

We hold to the view that the word of God for the English-speaking world is the 'King James Authorized Version' of the Holy Bible. We believe that it is the preserved, inspired scriptures, and that we can honestly say that we have the perfect word of God without error or contradiction. Our position is based on conviction, not preference or prejudice. The evidence for the King James Version is overwhelming in our estimation. From a historical and theological standpoint there is little room for debate among the Christian church as to what version is the true word of God.

Probably the most common criticism of the Bible from the world is that it contains mistakes and contradictions. If you have read the Bible and done any research, you know that this accusation can be disproved by the word of God itself - if you have a King James Version. However, the modern versions are full of blatant contradictions and mistakes, yet the maintstream leaders of the church defend them before the church. They could not defend them before the world if their soul depended on it. A secular college professor would destroy the average Christian minister in open debate and in the process ruin the faith of any who listened to or read such a debate.

We profess that the Bible is 'the final authority in all matters of faith and practice' for the Christian, but if you have conflicting authorities, then who decides what is truth and what is not? The priest, the rabbi, the pope, the pastor, the Greek professor - who? We believe the final authority is the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

Three Contradictions in the New International Version
Just a few examples should be enough to show you the problem. In the New International Version (NIV) it says in 2 Samuel 21:19 that someone other than David killed the giant Goliath. Anyone knows this is not true, except the 'scholars' who translated it. According to Hebrews 3:16 in the NIV all the children of Israel rebelled in the wilderness and none made it into the promised land; however, we know that Joshua and Caleb did not rebel, and God promised them each a place in the promised land (just read Numbers 13 & 14). Another mistake is found in Mark 1:2, 3 where according to the NIV the writer of Malachi was Isaiah! Just check out Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 - the KJV has it right and the NIV has it wrong.


The Satanic Role Reversal Promoted by the New International Version
Now, to really top it off, make note of the outright blasphemy contained in the NIV regarding the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. The translators gave the name of the Son of God to the devil and downgraded Christ to the level of a false god! The KJV calls the devil 'Lucifer' in Isaiah 14:12, but the NIV changes the name to 'morning star'!!! The Lord Jesus Christ is called the "bright and MORNING STAR" in Revelation 22:16. Could any professing Christian honestly believe the Holy Spirit led these so-called 'conservative scholars' to take a title reserved for our Savior and give that name to Lucifer? We don't. THIS IS WHY WE CALL THE NIV 'SATAN'S MASTERPIECE' - we believe the devil's usurpation of Christ's title here is his personal signature on the most popular and promoted modern version of the 'bible' today.

And then in Daniel 3:25, where Nebuchadnezzar looks in the fiery furnace and sees a fourth man in the fire and proclaims that he saw what looked like 'the Son of God' (KJV) the NIV translates it so that the Lord Jesus Christ is no longer the Son of the true God, but is transformed into 'a son of the gods' - that is, an imaginary, pagan god that doesn't exist except in mythology! What a ROLE REVERSAL on the part of Jesus Christ and Satan - and all done in the name of conservative, biblical 'scholarship.' SATAN BECOMES GOD and JESUS CHRIST BECOMES A PAGAN, MYTHOLOGICAL 'god' !!! To believe that the Holy Spirit of God is the author of such nonsense is crazy. One would have to be the member of a cult to accept this as 'bible' truth. (That is exactly what the world will accept as truth when Satan shows up in the tribulation and proclaims that he is Christ. All he'll have to do is point those who doubt him to Isaiah 14:12 in a modern version to 'prove' that he, 'Lucifer,' is Christ - and he'll deceive the world with a so-called 'bible.')

Success in Spiritual Warfare Depends on God's Book
We are in a battle for the souls of men, women, boys and girls. Faith is our shield and the word of God is our sword. Since "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:17), your faith will only be as strong as the Bible you read and study and memorize and hear preached and taught. You'd better be sure you have GOD'S BOOK - your faith and the faith of those you minister to depend upon GOD'S BOOK, the Authorized King James 1611 (1769) Holy Bible.

I don’t read out of the NIV, but I suspect this is an exaggeration.

 

[GraceBeUntoYou]

I dont like the NIV..I feel that it waters down some of the scriptures. Like that scripture ih Isiah that says ''No weapon formed against you will prosper and I will condemn any tongue that speaks against you. The NIV changes condemn to refute. The NIV also has over 200 scriptures missing

The important point to keep in mind here is that the claims of omissions against the modern translations always go back to the underlying issues regarding the Greek text. This is rarely clear in the KJV-Only literature, where the KJV is taken as the standard and all others compared to it. In the more extreme elements of the movement the Greek and Hebrew text no longer matter, because they view the English of the KJV as a verbally inspired text.

The fallacy in this claim is that the charge of omission begins with the assumption that the Textus Receptus/KJV is the correct version of the text. If one starts with the opposite assumption, that the NA27/UBS4 text is correct then, the Textus Receptus/KJV have many additions to Scripture. The KJV-Only folks only like to talk about the Bible's statement on taking away from the text, but they do not mention that adding to the text is also condemned.

 

[Nancyer]

I have to say I love my NIV, but I also had an Amplified Bible, with commentary by Joyce Meyer which I loved but don't have anymore. However, in response to your comments I looked up several of the scriptures you references. Many have commented but the one I'd like to go to is Daniel 3:25 - He said "look! I see four men walking around the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a song of the gods." This is referring to what King Nebuchadnezzar was looking at knowing he was looking at supernatural beings, his description reflected HIS belief in many gods. Later the king described the man as an angel. (3:28 Nebuchadnezzar said "Praise be to the God of Shaddrach, Meshach and Abednego, whohas sent his angel and rescued his servants! They trusted in Him and defied the king's command and were willing to give up their lives rather than serve or worship any god except their own God." Some believe the figure WAS an angle; others believe he was literally the Son of God - Christ making an appearance more than 5 centuries before His earthly birth. so this wasn't so much as error in how Christ was depicted but that king's opinion based on his own beliefs.

 

[GraceBeUntoYou]

Consider what has been said by Pastor David Martin in regard to the NIV. Indeed, the NIV is a satanic bible that attacks the deity of Jesus Christ and that attacks many other important doctrines of the Christian faith.

And by the way, just about all the modern versions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, NASB, ISV, GWT, etc. got Hebrews 3:16 wrong. Each modern version which I just listed are all wrong in Hebrews 3:16. Each of them said that all which Moses had led out of Egypt rebelled. That is not true. The King James Bible got it right. Joshua and Caleb did not rebel. Here is the correct rendering of Hebrews 3:16

For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. - Hebrews 3:16 (KJV)

And as for 2 Samuel 21:19, here we go:

Here is the correct and right rendering:

And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. - 2 Samuel 21:19 (KJV)

Here is the wrong and false rendering:

In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod. - 2 Samuel 21:19 (NIV)

And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam. - 2 Samuel 21:19 (ESV)

We can see here that the ESV (English Standard Version) got it wrong here too. It was not Elhanan that slew Goliath, it was David. Elhanan slew the brother of Goliath. Just like the King James Bible says.

Even the New American Standard Bible (NASB) got it wrong! You would think that some of the scholars of these new and modern versions would check themselves and would have looked over this passage before translating it the way they did.

This whole idea that modern versions such as the NIV, ESV, NASB, and NET attack the Deity of Christ is completely bogus. The modern translations you've mentioned here testify to the Deity of Christ much stronger than the traditional KJV. A few examples that come to mind include,

1.) John 1.18
"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (KJV)

"No one has ever seen God. The only One, Himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known." (NET [c.f. NIV, ESV, NASB])

2.) John 14.14
"If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." (KJV)

"If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it." (NET [c.f. NIV, ESV, NASB])

3.) 2 Peter 1.1
"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (KJV)

"From Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, have been granted a faith just as precious as ours." (NET [c.f. NIV, ESV, NASB])

4.) Jude 1.5
"I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not." (KJV)

"Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe." (NET [c.f. ESV, NLT)]

​

The issues here are not in translation, but rather in apparatus' used in translation. The readings given here from the modern versions are much older, and have wide spread attestation through various manuscripts and text-types.

 

[razor7]

David Martins's statement about Dan 3:25 seems a little severe like making Jesus a pegan god. It was nebuchadnezzars words and what he thought he was seeing. He didn't know of anyone who would later become the Son of God he was just remarking what he believed was one the the lesser gods of one of the many he worshiped. For rev Martin now to declare the whole niv as satanic is a bit fanatical and I don't think any one stumbling accidently on this verse will throw out every other verse in the bible and start to believe Jesus is a pegan god...come on. I will agree that some translations in the niv do tend to muddy the waters some which I don't like so I do refer back to the old trusted kjv. I don't know who this rev Martin is but I do intend to find out. I never trust a man who capitalizes up and down all through a paragraph and underlines and uses multible explanation marks like this !!!!!!!

 

[WolfInOxHide]

'lucifer' is not even the proper name of satan...it is a latin translation of the hebrew word 'heylel' which means 'morning star'

We've been pulled off course even more than that...

The hebrew word means "shining one".
The adjacent text that refers to him as "son of the dawn" was combined in idea to render "morning star"

So any comparison between Y'Shua and satan as both being "morning star" along with the theory that Y'Shua replaced him as morning star, are totally speculative.

Physically speaking, venus is the morning star, which announces the rising of the sun.
It is the first and brightest star visible before the sun comes up in the morning.
Stars symbolically are to be taken as messengers who have a certain fixed message of guidance.
Scripture reveals the symbolism of the sun as representing righteousness.
This is why Y'Shua calls himself the morning star, He announces YHWH's righteousness.

Curiously, the morning star passed between the sun and the earth on June 5/6 2012, the last time for another 105 years. (it's year sequence repeats as follows 105, 8, 122, 8)

So, back on topic to the NIV liberties:

But unto you that fear my name shall the sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. -KJV

But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. -NIV

BIG DIFFERENCE. Calves grow up in the stall for a purpose: to be fattened for sacrifice.
The shepherd would have already chosen the best ones soon after birth and locked them up for this purpose instead of risking them being out with the rest of the herd.
The NIV would rather have them leaping around having fun.
NIV took the words "go forth", or "go out" and used this to errantly imply "released from" to the idea of "from" which just refers to their origin.

Just being a language scholar only got translators so far. An understanding of how people do/did things in real life is also necessary.

"...And I will give him the morning star."
"And I saw another messenger and he came up from the rising of the sun, and he had the seal of the living Elohim..."
"...and it's waters were dried up, so that a way might be prepared for the kings of the rising of the sun."
-AENT

Simplifying to "East" even in KJV was a great snafu which has helped keep us from growing up in the stall!

 

[ForthAngel]

posted this on the wrong thread accidentally >_< so lets try again.
For those defending the NIV this might be interesting to you
'Largest' Christian Publisher Zondervan is a Division of HarperCollins which Publishes the Satanic Bible.
but i cant promise the validity of their sources I havent checked

 

[ForthAngel]

and if the sources are true, then look at this.
Search Results

 

[ForthAngel]

Zondervan Also publishes a revised king james version with changes made, but not as many as the niv

 

[Bookends]

Poppy-cock to this tread! I don't particularly like the NIV, but you KJV only screamers need to do research in the matter.

The NIV renders Matthew 24:3 more accurately, 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. &#8220;Tell us,&#8221; they said, &#8220;when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?&#8221; KJV renders aion as world, it is clearly age. Also the KJV renders hades and Hell in all curcumstances, there is a difference between hades and hell, one is the intermediate state where those condemned what for final judgment, the other is actually hell (which I don't think even exists yet). Most modern translations use earlier copies of the original manuscripts then the translators of the KJV used, and fixed the issues and improperly translated words. Don't let the KJV only advocates fool yah!

 

[chesser]

The advantage of the KJV over other versions is that the words added by the translators are in italics while the others don't

Disadvantage is that the translators belived in unicorns(job 39:9)