I have a questian for you, my new friend says my church and every church that doesn't belong to his church is not going to heavan. He said the churches " add to " and " Take away" from the bible except his. He said Jesus came to establish his ' Church" not " Churches" I have a problem believing the baptist and All other churches are going to Hell. He doesn't believe we should have Musical Instruments in worship. He has me confused. He quotes bible vereses. Can anyone help me.
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Jude,
I would encourage you to read one of the gospel to come to grips with Jesus. Then I recommend reading through the book of Acts to see what was preached and what people did in response to the preaching in order to be saved.
Always compare what a church teaches against the Apostles' doctrine. The Berean's were consider noble for doing such.
I would encourage you to read one of the gospel to come to grips with Jesus. Then I recommend reading through the book of Acts to see what was preached and what people did in response to the preaching in order to be saved.
Always compare what a church teaches against the Apostles' doctrine. The Berean's were consider noble for doing such.
1jo 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.1jo 4:2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:1jo 4:3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Sa 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps
, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
Psa 33:2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.
Psa 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.
1Ch 15:28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.
Psa 98:4 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
Psa 98:5 Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
Psa 98:6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
No music in church?
wonder what bible theyre readin from?
, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
Psa 33:2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.
Psa 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.
1Ch 15:28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.
Psa 98:4 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
Psa 98:5 Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
Psa 98:6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
No music in church?
wonder what bible theyre readin from?
awesome replies guys. If it was meant to be a church or organization to lead you the Lord, Christ Jesus would have said the church I leave with you, is the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except by way of the Church. This is NOT what he said. Its important to have fellowship with other believers in church but I think it is even MORE important to have daily fellowship with the Lord by way of his word that we can grow in our knowledge and personally discard beliefs that are contrary to the word of God. Be careful though that you're not reading the new world translation... this is an inaccurate translation spun to accomodate the beliefs of one religious organization and does not hold Jesus Christ as risen Lord. Bless you as you seek the Lord in his word.
B
John 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
All those that believe in Jesus Christ shall not go to Hell, however, we are to consider how we build on that faith, including what the church you are going to teaches. Jesus warned of false prophets coming into the churches to mislead many and so to cut to the crux of the matter; every believer should trust in Jesus to be Their good Shepherd as well as Their Saviour to guide them in the Way they ought to go. We do so by the scriptures as they testify of going to Jesus in having that relationship with God.. not a church.
John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
So many people come in here representing their churches. When you see a believer sharing their faith in Jesus Christ, then you know that he or she is being a faithful witness.
Some..if only a few, but not all baptists has a teaching that one must be baptized with water in order to be saved, but Gentiles were receiving the Holy Ghost by believing in Jesus and so they were saved before water baptism.
Galatians 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Some..., but not all catholics know what the RCC teaches. Those that do, do not agree with everything that is taught, but yet they still call themselves catholics and go to that church because they do not want to change churches or for some other reasons. If they know that the RCC preaches that there is no salvation outside the walls of the RCC and that by not being a member of that RCC, they are not saved... and they do not believe that... kind of hard for anyone to see their faith if they still go to the church.
2 Corinthians 6:14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Some.. if not all Protestant know about everything their particular church's represent in the media world of their stand against immoral issues and for witness of the faith.... but yet they will seek to be identified as His by that church if they do not agree with everything being declared by that church. God calls us to stand apart from the world in order for our faith to shine. If that identity with that church isn't going to do that, they should drop it and just be known by faith in Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 5: 9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Most.. if not all Pentecostal/ Charismatics will push for more than just the Good News of Jesus Christ. They will even judge those churches for not seeking those things as dead or lukewarm. They go back and forth about whethor or not one has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at salvation and/ or that one must seek another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues to "obey" God in living as His. The simplicity of the Gospel is that all invitations points to Jesus to receive the promise of the Spirit, and so when anyone preach another spirit to receive that comes with signs, they are not preaching the Gospel.
Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
Galatians 3: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
All churches in the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have their beginnings that some may deviate from, but yet the identity of that church is based on their being another gospel to be presented.
Galatians 1:6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
In the past, crusades in another persons' name and various movements of the "spirit" often brought glory to some other means for believers in taking on to make the difference in the life of a believer whethor it be the altar call to make a commitment to follow Christ or the Promise Keepers' program or experiencing the supernatural move of the "spirit".
Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
2 Corinthians 11:3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
So all in all, the simplicity of the Gospel is this and the only other means by which a perosn is going to hell for is...
John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Since Jesus warned of false prophets, we are to fight the good fight by keeping the faith. Defending the faith in Jesus Christ is by His grace till He calls us Home. The Lord shall deal with those that have gone astray as He will reprove every child He receives as Hebrews 12th chapter details that with 1 Corinthians 3:10-23... but know this:
2 Timothy 2:11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.....
19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
All those that believe in Jesus Christ shall not go to Hell, however, we are to consider how we build on that faith, including what the church you are going to teaches. Jesus warned of false prophets coming into the churches to mislead many and so to cut to the crux of the matter; every believer should trust in Jesus to be Their good Shepherd as well as Their Saviour to guide them in the Way they ought to go. We do so by the scriptures as they testify of going to Jesus in having that relationship with God.. not a church.
John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
So many people come in here representing their churches. When you see a believer sharing their faith in Jesus Christ, then you know that he or she is being a faithful witness.
Some..if only a few, but not all baptists has a teaching that one must be baptized with water in order to be saved, but Gentiles were receiving the Holy Ghost by believing in Jesus and so they were saved before water baptism.
Galatians 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Some..., but not all catholics know what the RCC teaches. Those that do, do not agree with everything that is taught, but yet they still call themselves catholics and go to that church because they do not want to change churches or for some other reasons. If they know that the RCC preaches that there is no salvation outside the walls of the RCC and that by not being a member of that RCC, they are not saved... and they do not believe that... kind of hard for anyone to see their faith if they still go to the church.
2 Corinthians 6:14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Some.. if not all Protestant know about everything their particular church's represent in the media world of their stand against immoral issues and for witness of the faith.... but yet they will seek to be identified as His by that church if they do not agree with everything being declared by that church. God calls us to stand apart from the world in order for our faith to shine. If that identity with that church isn't going to do that, they should drop it and just be known by faith in Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 5: 9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Most.. if not all Pentecostal/ Charismatics will push for more than just the Good News of Jesus Christ. They will even judge those churches for not seeking those things as dead or lukewarm. They go back and forth about whethor or not one has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at salvation and/ or that one must seek another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues to "obey" God in living as His. The simplicity of the Gospel is that all invitations points to Jesus to receive the promise of the Spirit, and so when anyone preach another spirit to receive that comes with signs, they are not preaching the Gospel.
Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
Galatians 3: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
All churches in the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have their beginnings that some may deviate from, but yet the identity of that church is based on their being another gospel to be presented.
Galatians 1:6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
In the past, crusades in another persons' name and various movements of the "spirit" often brought glory to some other means for believers in taking on to make the difference in the life of a believer whethor it be the altar call to make a commitment to follow Christ or the Promise Keepers' program or experiencing the supernatural move of the "spirit".
Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
2 Corinthians 11:3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
So all in all, the simplicity of the Gospel is this and the only other means by which a perosn is going to hell for is...
John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Since Jesus warned of false prophets, we are to fight the good fight by keeping the faith. Defending the faith in Jesus Christ is by His grace till He calls us Home. The Lord shall deal with those that have gone astray as He will reprove every child He receives as Hebrews 12th chapter details that with 1 Corinthians 3:10-23... but know this:
2 Timothy 2:11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.....
19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
K
I believe the "true church" are those believers who follow Christ whole heartedly. I also believe that there are true believers to be found in every denomination.
Now as for those churches that profess that there church is the true church, that is nothing but pride on their part and the bible clearly states that God hates pride.
Now as for those churches that profess that there church is the true church, that is nothing but pride on their part and the bible clearly states that God hates pride.
T
I am new here and very, very impressed with the replies. Great posts.
Followers of Jesus Christ, those who profess HIM as LORD of Lords are "the church." Yes there are many denominations out there with different doctrinal issues - but this is of man not GOD. Those that GOD has chosen to be HIS children make up HIS Church.
If someone tells you that you are going to hell simply because you don't attend his church is just down right scripturally wrong. For who are we to judge another man's servant. Judgement is mine sayeth the LORD. I have an idea of what church this maybe if you want to email, I'll see if I am right.
sparkie12
Followers of Jesus Christ, those who profess HIM as LORD of Lords are "the church." Yes there are many denominations out there with different doctrinal issues - but this is of man not GOD. Those that GOD has chosen to be HIS children make up HIS Church.
If someone tells you that you are going to hell simply because you don't attend his church is just down right scripturally wrong. For who are we to judge another man's servant. Judgement is mine sayeth the LORD. I have an idea of what church this maybe if you want to email, I'll see if I am right.
sparkie12
Hi , Thank you so much for your insight. " Church Of Christ" is that the one you are thinking of? They are sweet people , i can't understand why they think all other denominations are wrong, i explained to him that Jesus said, " If they are for me how can they be against me" Jesus is the " Door " we go through. He is convienced that we shouldn't have piano's and guitar's in church, he said they are entertainment not worship. : David worshiped with all kinds of instruments. Oh well, i think he needs my prayer not my convictions. The Holy Spirit can do more than i can. I will always defend my faith when questained. 
Thank you again, Jude
Thank you again, Jude
K
What must you do to be saved? http://www.atruechurch.info/whatmustido.html
If your "church" does not practice that, or says something else, I'd flee. Why stay in a dead church?
"Eternal Security" http://www.atruechurch.info/security.html
There are answers at that web site for many of your questions.
If your "church" does not practice that, or says something else, I'd flee. Why stay in a dead church?
"Eternal Security" http://www.atruechurch.info/security.html
There are answers at that web site for many of your questions.
M
Jude: RUN! That church is exhibiting a spirit of religion, not Christ. Your friend is decieved and does not understand that the CHURCH encompasses ALL those who believe and follow Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Present it to your friend like this.
Christ is the HEAD...the leader, the 'brain' of the Church.
The BODY is all believers that are born again, of God and obey His word.
But...does the foot look like an hand? Can it do the same things? No.
Can the knee do the same as an elbow? No.
You get the idea.
Now each part of the body (using the physical body as a metaphor) is different from the others. Each looks different and FUNCTIONS DIFFERENTLY.
And YET....ALL are a part of the SAME BODY ....of believers.
1 Corinthians 12:14-16 (King James Version)
14For the body is not one member, but many.
15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
Maggie
Christ is the HEAD...the leader, the 'brain' of the Church.
The BODY is all believers that are born again, of God and obey His word.
But...does the foot look like an hand? Can it do the same things? No.
Can the knee do the same as an elbow? No.
You get the idea.
Now each part of the body (using the physical body as a metaphor) is different from the others. Each looks different and FUNCTIONS DIFFERENTLY.
And YET....ALL are a part of the SAME BODY ....of believers.
1 Corinthians 12:14-16 (King James Version)
14For the body is not one member, but many.
15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
Maggie
It sounds like he is being self-righteous. The church of Christ, the body of Christ is supposed to be united and not divided whether they are Baptist, Pentecostal, etc. And what's wrong with musical instruments in churches?? Musical instruments are excellent; we just have to make sure that whatever we do should be to the glory of God and not to gratify the flesh for not all worship that a person might offer to God will please Him.
C
There are many different churches or organizations that believe in Jesus Christ and try to follow his teachings...but they all teach a different doctrine. Can they all be right? No because truth will not contradict itself. Some people say that those differences don't matter, but that is false. We have been invited to come unto Christ by living his gospel, which includes trying to keep his commandments. We need a clear knowledge of what the commandments are in order to keep them and every church seems to teach many different 'commandments' and ways of keeping them. Salvation comes through the atonement of Christ and we are helpless without it, so we must find which church teaches the full truth.
Ephesians 4:11-14 teaches us about the organization of Christ's church...we should look for that today.
Ephesians 4:11-14 teaches us about the organization of Christ's church...we should look for that today.
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