The Place of Oral Tradition

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Ariel82

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JaumeJ said:

Believe what you want to believe, it is your human right.
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did you even read or pray about what I wrote to you?

apparently not if this is your response.

have a nice day.

feel free to ignore me and any scriptures that might help you see past your arrogance, it is your human right.

again for those who don't read "long" posts......

Romans 14

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14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.

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JaumeJ

JaumeJ

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Long before you were born I was reading and praying on this subject and more, and I have been doing so since. As for your teaching your elders, it is incumbent upon you to hear what their experience, prayer and meditation has to offer before making rash claims. I believe you think you know much, and perhaps you actually do, but you can never impart any teacing wthout God allowing it, so why are you complaing about something of which you know nothing. Read the Word, believe the Word and worship God, amen. I listen to what I say, and I do my best to put it into practice.

Now, I say again, believe what you want or will, it is your human right.

Ariel82 said:
did you even read or pray about what I wrote to you?

apparently not if this is your response.

have a nice day.

feel free to ignore me and any scriptures that might help you see past your arrogance, it is your human right.

again for those who don't read "long" posts......

Romans 14

New King James Version (NKJV)


14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.

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ChurchAuthority

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RachelBibleStudent said:
why are there four -other- large denominations that make the same claim as yours about being 'the church' jesus founded?
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I don't know. If they're not apostolic, then they have no claim.
As for the Eastern Orthodox - they DO have apostolic Succession because they wre once united with the West.

NONE of the others have a case.
 
Stephen63

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I just looked at this site, Authority in the Catholic Church, and noticed to the following paragraph:

The exercise of authority in our church should emulate the standards of openness, accountability and democracy achieved in modern society. Leadership should be seen to be honest and credible; inspired by humility and service; breathing concern for people rather than preoccupation with rules and discipline; radiating a Christ who makes us free; and listening to Christ's Spirit who speaks and acts through each and every person.

Emulate the standards of openness, accountability and democracy achieved in modern society? Are you kidding? have you seen our democracy lately? We shouldn't emulate anything of the world.

Leadership should be seen to be honest and credible; inspired by humility and service. Apparently, those pushing their views here obviously didn't read that.

breathing concern for people rather than preoccupation with rules and discipline Nope. They didn't read that one either.

Of these three, I only see you doing the first one, the standards of modern democracy that is being pushed down the throats of other nations as we speak. This is not godly at all. IMO, I see this modern democracy of ours setting the scene for the antichrist......... then again, that's just my opinion.
 
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ChurchAuthority

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Stephen63 said:
I just looked at this site, Authority in the Catholic Church, and noticed to the following paragraph:

The exercise of authority in our church should emulate the standards of openness, accountability and democracy achieved in modern society. Leadership should be seen to be honest and credible; inspired by humility and service; breathing concern for people rather than preoccupation with rules and discipline; radiating a Christ who makes us free; and listening to Christ's Spirit who speaks and acts through each and every person.

Emulate the standards of openness, accountability and democracy achieved in modern society? Are you kidding? have you seen our democracy lately? We shouldn't emulate anything of the world.

Leadership should be seen to be honest and credible; inspired by humility and service. Apparently, those pushing their views here obviously didn't read that.

breathing concern for people rather than preoccupation with rules and discipline Nope. They didn't read that one either.

Of these three, I only see you doing the first one, the standards of modern democracy that is being pushed down the throats of other nations as we speak. This is not godly at all. IMO, I see this modern democracy of ours setting the scene for the antichrist......... then again, that's just my opinion.
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To whom are you speaking?
 
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ChurchAuthority

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Stephen63 said:
I just looked at this site, Authority in the Catholic Church, and noticed to the following paragraph:

The exercise of authority in our church should emulate the standards of openness, accountability and democracy achieved in modern society. Leadership should be seen to be honest and credible; inspired by humility and service; breathing concern for people rather than preoccupation with rules and discipline; radiating a Christ who makes us free; and listening to Christ's Spirit who speaks and acts through each and every person.

Emulate the standards of openness, accountability and democracy achieved in modern society? Are you kidding? have you seen our democracy lately? We shouldn't emulate anything of the world.

Leadership should be seen to be honest and credible; inspired by humility and service. Apparently, those pushing their views here obviously didn't read that.

breathing concern for people rather than preoccupation with rules and discipline Nope. They didn't read that one either.

Of these three, I only see you doing the first one, the standards of modern democracy that is being pushed down the throats of other nations as we speak. This is not godly at all. IMO, I see this modern democracy of ours setting the scene for the antichrist......... then again, that's just my opinion.
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Ummm, if you're talking about churchauthority.org - that's a renegade, pseudo-Catholic site run by dissidents, not faithful Catholics. It espouses radical feminism and pro-homosexual ideas.

It has neither the authority to speak for the Church nor does it have approval of any kind.

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hattiebod

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ChurchAuthority said:
Ummm, if you're talking about churchauthority.org - that's a renegade, pseudo-Catholic site run by dissidents, not faithful Catholics. It espouses radical feminism and pro-homosexual ideas.

It has neither the authority to speak for the Church nor does it have approval of any kind.

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You are not shouting are you? :) <><
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Xanthus said:
No Rachel, they are not that different, imo. I did not "confuse" the two. The obvious similarities from proto-sinaitic to the early hebrew inscriptions are plainly recognizable while Arabic to Ethiopian is a clear departure. You grossly exaggerate and thus lose integrity.
I purposely couched my comment in non-scientific verbiage to avoid this ridiculous sort of irrelevant tangent that you routinely drift off into.
Your arrogance and continual nonstop insults and put downs aren't making your lame points any stronger.

And as far as, "well so much for what you said about not claiming to be above the word of God" ?? ... I don't recall saying anything about being above the word of God.
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there are only 'obvious similarities' if you don't really know what you are looking at...

i doubt you were purposely trying to be 'non scientific'...using the technical phrase 'proto sinaitic' without prompting sounds rather obviously like an attempt at sounding 'scientific'...especially since you misused the term so badly...

i had you mixed up with the other roman catholic thread hijacker...who mentioned that his church doesn't claim to be above God's word...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Xanthus said:
Then once again... your point was totally irrelevant. This barely tangential lecture does not improve on your error in any way shape or form. I repeat, the early OT books stemmed from Oral Tradition. This little teledoth cuneiform sideshow does not support the argument you were originally positing when you first introduced it.
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the information i gave was relevant because it shows that there is really no need for oral tradition to have played much of a role in the composition of the old testament...

imagine you have a family of ancient middle eastern people...influenced by sumerian and akkadian cultures...and they keep a record of their family history in the style that they are most familiar with... the record expands as later members of the family append their own history to the record...

what would you expect the result of this process to look like? something like this...
a story of someone's life...followed by a 'toledoth' statement referencing the main player in the story...a story of another person's life...another toledoth statement referencing the main player in that story...and so on repeatedly...

guess what? that is -exactly- what most of the first thirty-six chapters of genesis looks like!

most of genesis looks -exactly- like a middle eastern record of the dealings of a family that has been supplemented by various family members over time...

realizing this...there is no reason to introduce unnecessary speculation about oral tradition in the problem of the origin of the book of genesis...

moreover...moses wrote the torah...and aside from genesis and the very end of deuteronomy...all of the events described took place within moses' lifetime...so again there is no reason to speculate needlessly about oral tradition being involved...moses wrote an eyewitness account...

the same is true of nearly all of the old testament...there are even many old testament books that reference -by name- other written records that we no longer have...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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ChurchAuthority said:
I don't know. If they're not apostolic, then they have no claim.
As for the Eastern Orthodox - they DO have apostolic Succession because they wre once united with the West.

NONE of the others have a case.
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all four other large denominations have exactly the same types of 'apostolic succession' arguments as your church...and they claim that -your church- is schismatic...

the truth is that -none of you- have a historical case...'apostolic succession' is a crock...
 
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Abiding

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I dont think oral tradition was given as a means to preserve the written word
or even remember it for later writing. It was given for family tradition and later
national tradition. The bible itself declares that.
 
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