The Pope's pedophile priests

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The Catholic Church can never recover as long as its Holy Shepherd, Pope Benedict (the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) is seen as a black sheep in the ever-darkening sex abuse scandal. Now we learn the sickening news that Cardinal Ratzinger, nicknamed “God’s Rottweiler” when he was the church’s enforcer on matters of faith and sin, ignored repeated warnings and looked away in the case of the Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy, a Wisconsin priest who molested as many as 200 deaf boys.

The church has been tone deaf and dumb on the scandal for so long that it’s shocking, but not surprising, to learn from The New York Times that a group of deaf former students spent 30 years trying to get church leaders to pay attention. Victims give similar accounts of Father Murphy’s pulling down their pants and touching them in his office, his car, his mother’s country house, on class excursions and fund-raising trips and in their dormitory beds at night.
An archbishop in Wisconsin wrote to Cardinal Ratzinger at the Vatican to request that Father Murphy be defrocked. The cardinal did not answer. Father Murphy, the pedo-priest, appealed to Cardinal Ratzinger for leniency and got it, partly because of the church’s statute of limitations. Since when does sin have a statute of limitations? Especially when considering that 200 separate instances of sexual molestation were involved.

The pope is in too deep. He has proved himself anything but infallible.
Cardinal Ratzinger devoted his Vatican career to rooting out any hint of what he considered deviance. The problem is, he was obsessed with enforcing doctrinal orthodoxy and somehow missed the graver danger to the most vulnerable members of the flock. The sin-crazed “Rottweiler” was so consumed with sexual mores — issuing constant instructions on chastity, contraception, abortion — that he didn’t make time for curbing sexual abuse by priests who were supposed to pray with, not prey on, their young charges. American bishops have gotten politically militant in recent years, opposing the health care bill because its language on abortion wasn’t vehement enough, and punishing Catholic politicians who favor abortion rights and stem cell research. They should spend as much time guarding the kids already under their care as they do championing the rights of those who aren’t yet born.

Decade after decade, the church hid its sordid crimes, enabling the collared perpetrators instead of letting the police collar them. In the case of the infamous German pedophile priest, one diocese official hinted that pedo-priest's "problem" could be fixed by transferring him to teach at a girls’ school. Either they figured that he would not be tempted by the female sex, or worse, the church was even less concerned about putting little girls at risk. Pope Benedict has continued the church’s ban on female priests and is adamant against priests’ having wives. He has started two investigations of American nuns to check on their “quality of life” — code for seeing if they’ve grown too independent. As a cardinal he wrote a Vatican document urging women to be submissive partners and not take on adversarial roles toward men.

If the church could throw open its stained glass windows and let in some air, invite women to be priests, nuns to be more emancipated and priests to marry, if it could banish criminal priests and end the sordid culture of men protecting men who attack children, it might survive. It could be an encouraging sign of humility and repentance, a surrender of arrogance, both moving and meaningful.


But perhaps this is just wishful thinking. The attitude of the Catholic Church toward women is well known. Your male-dominated, sexually dysfunctional ecclesiastic leadership has long regarded us as evil temptresses, not to be trusted. Rome, what do you fear from us? Instead of the tender affections of a woman's love, why does your priesthood prefer the sordid alternative of buggering little children, whose victims might now number in the hundreds of thousands? Rome, Have you no sense of shame?

KayCee



 

dscherck

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For a more balanced and accurate viewpoint on Pope Benedict regarding the sexual abuse cases I would recommend reading the Anchoress' take on things. http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2010/03/29/praying-for-the-pope-for-all/
And here: http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2010/03/30/murphy-case-nyt-never-talked-to-judge/

I find it quite sad to find out that the author of the NYT article never even bothered to contact the judge in the case. He's actually posted a response correcting many of the issues here: http://catholicanchor.org/wordpress/?p=601

In light of the facts presented by the Anchoress and coming to light from the judge in question, I think I'll continue to support the Pope. He is truly an inspiration in his Christian walk, both in humility and in his dedication to the protection of the faithful.
 
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Edit: Be careful wording what you do in case it triggers you sounding like you support his sin.
 

dscherck

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What sin?
I fully support the Pope. And anyone who takes the time to examine these claims fully should support the Pope in this matter as well.
 
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Hi 1still_waters,

It's gratifying to know that someone else in the CC membership also reads the NY Times. Perhaps you noticed that I elected not to include some of Maureen Dowd's comments in my OP, particularly those about Catholic nuns. My rationale for so doing follows:

To begin with, I am at odds with the central theme of Dowd's article: having a woman as pope. On certain other issues I am even more bitter - and less forgiving - than she is. Secondly, after reflecting on the matter, I realized that - to a lesser extent than priests - nuns were also involved in mistreating those entrusted to their care: reference, for example, the motion picture, "The Magdalene Girls"). Maureen Dowd apparently chose to ignore the sad fact that women - as well as priests - can be sexually dysfunctional. (Yes, I've got to be fair and even-handed when writing about these sordid events.)

I disagree with Maureen Dowd's principal premise that a woman pope is the solution. "Habemus Mama" - translation: "We have a (woman) Pope" - is a very clever construct with which Maureen closes off her article, but it will never see the light of day. She would have done her readers a greater service by challenging her Catholic readership thusly:

*Do you not recognize, at long last, what rascals have been running - and ruining - your church? These pedophile jerks are evil personified; they could care less about your spiritual well being and that of your children. With regard to the latter, the sole motivation of these pedo-priests would appear to be: how can we find a way to bugger these cute little ones - under the guise of authority - without ending up in the slammer? Catholics...awaken from your lethargy! Throw the bums out. Your Church is in crisis! For this institute to survive, you must change it from within. The time for action is Now!*

In my heart of hearts, I fear that the above admonition will be to no avail - and will fall upon unreceptive ears. Nevertheless, I want to assure my CC readership that I submit these comments motivated by Christian love and sisterly concern for my many Catholic friends and relatives whose fellowship continues to enrich my life. I will always regard you with the respect and lovingkindness that you are entitled to. But as regards your male-dominated, sexually dysfunctional leadership...well, that is quite another matter.

KayCee
 
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Hi 1still_waters,

It's gratifying to know that someone else in the CC membership also reads the NY Times. Perhaps you noticed that I elected not to include some of Maureen Dowd's comments in my OP, particularly those about Catholic nuns. My rationale for so doing follows:

To begin with, I am at odds with the central theme of Dowd's article: having a woman as pope. On certain other issues I am even more bitter - and less forgiving - than she is. Secondly, after reflecting on the matter, I realized that - to a lesser extent than priests - nuns were also involved in mistreating those entrusted to their care: reference, for example, the motion picture, "The Magdalene Girls"). Maureen Dowd apparently chose to ignore the sad fact that women - as well as priests - can be sexually dysfunctional. (Yes, I've got to be fair and even-handed when writing about these sordid events.)

I disagree with Maureen Dowd's principal premise that a woman pope is the solution. "Habemus Mama" - translation: "We have a (woman) Pope" - is a very clever construct with which Maureen closes off her article, but it will never see the light of day. She would have done her readers a greater service by challenging her Catholic readership thusly:

*Do you not recognize, at long last, what rascals have been running - and ruining - your church? These pedophile jerks are evil personified; they could care less about your spiritual well being and that of your children. With regard to the latter, the sole motivation of these pedo-priests would appear to be: how can we find a way to bugger these cute little ones - under the guise of authority - without ending up in the slammer? Catholics...awaken from your lethargy! Throw the bums out. Your Church is in crisis! For this institute to survive, you must change it from within. The time for action is Now!*

In my heart of hearts, I fear that the above admonition will be to no avail - and will fall upon unreceptive ears. Nevertheless, I want to assure my CC readership that I submit these comments motivated by Christian love and sisterly concern for my many Catholic friends and relatives whose fellowship continues to enrich my life. I will always regard you with the respect and lovingkindness that you are entitled to. But as regards your male-dominated, sexually dysfunctional leadership...well, that is quite another matter.

KayCee
Yup I'm in to readin the librul media too. Actually they're only liberal when they tell truths that Conservatives don't like;) But that's just tween you n me.
 
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As long as the Catholic church demands that it's priest remain unnaturally celibate, it will continue to have problems with sexual issues. True celibacy is a spiritual gift from the Holy Spirit. A man's normal sexual drive will always be an issue in his life. The first intitution that God created forman was the institution of marriage. I am strongly in favor of allowing piests and nuns to be married.
 
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As long as the Catholic church demands that it's priest remain unnaturally celibate, it will continue to have problems with sexual issues. True celibacy is a spiritual gift from the Holy Spirit. A man's normal sexual drive will always be an issue in his life. The first intitution that God created forman was the institution of marriage. I am strongly in favor of allowing piests and nuns to be married.
Hi LighthouseJohn,

My sentiments exactly!
But I'm afraid that His Holiness (what a joke!), or His Eminence (or whatever you want to call him) the Pope - and the rest of those strange folk in the Vatican - are still opposed to anything that makes sense - like your comments on normal sex drive. But what would you expect from a guy whose entire life has been spent in blind acceptance of Rome's doctrine that women are evil temptresses and aren't worth anything except a non-stop trip into hell's fire?

So, how do those celibate creeps resolve this dilemma? The question: What to do to satiate the universal sexual urge prevalent in all men? The pre-programmed answer, emanating from centuries of irrational Roman Catholic logic: Don't you dare harbor any illicit thoughts about having a meaningful relationship with mature, intelligent, and yes, sexually attractive adult women. Oh heavens no...Rome states unequivocally that would involve the loss of your soul for all eternity - a sure ticket straight to hell. Hmmmm....let's see then....what's the alternative?

Oh yes, of course...those cute little boys whose parents have entrusted to us the care for their spiritual growth and development. Yup, I think I know a way to satiate my sexual desires...and at the same time do it in such a way that I won't be sent to jail. And on top of all this...I, as an ordained priest of Rome, will still remain true to my vows of chastity and celibacy...and can say with pride that I never lusted after a woman ...even in my heart!

Ohh, Lighthouse John, my brother, whenever I think of those lecherous pedo-priests, the evils they have committed, and the misery they have caused to tens - if not hundreds - of thousands of innocent little children, I feel that I'm either going to scream or break down crying.

KayCee
 
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Ok I'm going to delete all the pope is the anti christ replies to this topic and all the Hitler stuff. We've rehashed that enough and it just leads to drama. This thread wasn't about the pope being anti christ or to drum up some kinda hitler stuff.
 

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As long as the Catholic church demands that it's priest remain unnaturally celibate, it will continue to have problems with sexual issues. True celibacy is a spiritual gift from the Holy Spirit. A man's normal sexual drive will always be an issue in his life. The first intitution that God created for man was the institution of marriage. I am strongly in favor of allowing priests and nuns to be married.
There's a very strong scriptural argument supporting celibacy for people who dedicate their lives to serving the church. Our Lord Himself tells us that there will be people who will forsake marriage for the kingdom of heaven. And indeed we see the Apostle Paul telling us, "Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. . . . The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband" (1 Cor 7:27-34).

For a more in depth look into the Catholic understanding of celibacy and priesthood I would recommend this link: http://www.catholic.com/library/Celibacy_and_the_Priesthood.asp It explains the Catholic teaching and is filled with Scriptural references.
 

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It seems that there are those who are not willing to examine all the evidence regarding this issue and instead wish to bash the Catholic Church, all under the guise of "Christian love and concern for my Catholic friends..."

That said, as a father, I can think of no one outside my immediate friends and family who I would feel safer with leaving my child in the care of more than the Catholic Church and her noble priests and religious.
 
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That said, as a father, I can think of no one outside my immediate friends and family who I would feel safer with leaving my child in the care of more than the Catholic Church and her noble priests and religious.
You couldn't pay me all the money in the world to leave my children with a catholic priest.
I couldn't imagine doing this considering how many of them have joined to get access to children and the way the church has handled it.

I pray nothing happens to your children for your naiveness.
 
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You couldn't pay me all the money in the world to leave my children with a catholic priest.
I couldn't imagine doing this considering how many of them have joined to get access to children and the way the church has handled it.

I pray nothing happens to your children for your naiveness.
I wouldn't even leave my children (if I had any) with my friends. But instead of casting everyone as a whole, they should be individualized.
 
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It seems that there are those who are not willing to examine all the evidence regarding this issue and instead wish to bash the Catholic Church, all under the guise of "Christian love and concern for my Catholic friends..."
Hi Dscherck,

I have long been an admirer of your posts and of your occasional visits to the main chat room - although I haven't seen you there in quite some time. On those occasions when you were there, I've always felt empowered by listening to whatever you had to say. Thank you for contributing to my thread.

You abridged my quote by leaving out the word "sisterly" which preceded the word "concern". My sentence reads, in full:
"I submit these comments motivated by Christian love and sisterly concern for my many Catholic friends and relatives whose fellowship continues to enrich my life."

For you to categorize my intentions as Church-bashing - and to attribute my motivation to pretense - is unwarranted and grieves me no end. It may well be that we will forever be at odds with regard to the hierarchical role in the pedophile scandal cover-up. I readily concede that my feelings in this matter derive from being a woman; I regard positions contrary to mine as being beyond the pale. That you would have contrary views is no reason for either of us to impute improper, false, or misleading motives to the other.

So let us continue -
harboring no ill will - with the discussion at hand.
Peace be with you, Dscherck, my brother; I look forward to meeting again with you someday, when I shall greet and salute you with the sisterly affection, admiration, and
respect to which you are entitled.

KayCee



 
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You couldn't pay me all the money in the world to leave my children with a catholic priest.
I couldn't imagine doing this considering how many of them have joined to get access to children and the way the church has handled it.
It is tough not to wonder about how many men probably had a feeling early on in their adult life that they suffered from sexual attraction toward children and entered the church with the hope of getting better only to find themselves faced with young children, a parents trust and a measure of protection from the law etc....throw celibacy into that and it's a recipe for disaster, and until the root of the problem is dealt with, the requirement of celibacy, all forms of sexual abuse with continue.

That being said I think it's extremely important amidst all this controversy not to go thinking of all Catholic priests as untrustworthy would-be paedophiles.

Some Catholic priests likely came to the priesthood for all the right reasons and due to that calling suffer no major issues with sexual desire, it is possible and while it's hard for parents to trust anyone with their children these days making statements that encompass every Catholic priest only adds fuel to the fire in making people at large think the entire Catholic clergy is sexually deviant and entirely untrustworthy....after all plenty of catholics disagree with the leadership sometimes.

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we only hear about the catholic clergy, im sure other denominations have the same dirty linen. As for the catholics, thats what happens when canon law becomes doctrine instead of God Word taking precedent, 1-2Timmothy make it clear, married, one wife, rule their own house well first, not a drunk etc etc. 1 cor says if one can abatain, good on them, if not, better to marry than burn in Hell...

God knows our weaknesses and has given us a way out before every temptaion in life comes.
 
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People don't molest children because they're celibate. That some folks would suggest that as an explanation is baffling. People molest children because they are sexual deviants. The idea that celibacy leads to pedophilia is baffling to hear, especially coming from a bunch of Christians. I'm sure some will offer the argument, "Ah, but it's lifelong celibacy." Pfah I say to that. As a mostly sexually-healthy heterosexual male, I can personally say that celibacy isn't easy for me, even though I (God willing) will most likely end up married.

Marriage isn't some sort of panacea to pedophilia, and you all know it isn't. Don't let your anti-Catholic bigotry, passed down from King Henry to the No-Nothings and Nativist movements, and then to the atheists and anti-Christians, make you come to illogical conclusions. Pedophiles are sexual deviants, and celibacy (life long or otherwise) doesn't cause pedophilia. Indeed, often times it's the opposite; oversexualization at a young age can lead to pedophilia in many cases.

More importantly, pedophiles also often engage in cognitive distortions; they explain away their crime and, indeed, often don't even legitimately feel they've committed one. The most common form of pedophilic cognitive distortions is the idea that he (the pedophile) is enlightened and realizes that children are sexual beings. Other forms of cognitive dissonance include justifying it. Blaming clerical celibacy for sexual crimes (which are most often and homosexual and hebephilic, as opposed to technically pedophilic) is merely another form of enabling and cognitive distortion.
 
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If they ever bothered to read the Bible they would know that to forbid marriage is a demonic doctrine. (1 Tim. 4:1ff).