The Post Tribulation Rapture

[BenjaminN]

oyster67 said:
After the Trib is when we come down with Him at the Second Coming of Jesus.

BenjaminN said:
Kindly quote the scriptures supporting your statement.

Revelation
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Sorry, I fail to read your statement in the scripture you quoted. Maybe you can just highlight it in the passage. The marriage of the Lamb is following Christ / Messiah's second coming, coming down from the clouds in the air, He coming down from heaven, and his bride, renewed Israel Body of Christ is raptured upward, to meet her bridegroom while she goes up from earth in the clouds in the air, before this current earth and heavens is destroyed, and we enter the new heavens and new earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

A warning to the unwary: BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS.

You mean like Dispensationalism's John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield that you Promote in a Pre-Trib rapture, Big Smiles!

Wikipedia: John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism. Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren,[1] and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible.[2]

 

[TabinRivCA]

oyster67 said:
After the Trib is when we come down with Him at the Second Coming of Jesus.

BenjaminN said:
Kindly quote the scriptures supporting your statement.




Sorry, I fail to read your statement in the scripture you quoted. Maybe you can just highlight it in the passage. The marriage of the Lamb is following Christ / Messiah's second coming, coming down from the clouds in the air, He coming down from heaven, and his bride, renewed Israel Body of Christ is raptured upward, to meet her bridegroom while she goes up from earth in the clouds in the air, before this current earth and heavens is destroyed, and we enter the new heavens and new earth.

Just like God told Lot to leave His wrath upon S & G and Noah & family being saved from the flood, God will 'rapturo'=catch up' His faithful children from the world-wide wrath coming. There is no place to 'hide' during this time.

 

[TabinRivCA]

You mean like Dispensationalism's John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield that you Promote in a Pre-Trib rapture, Big Smiles!

Wikipedia:John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism. Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren,[1] and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible.[2]

How do you interpret this Parable:
25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

 

[Truth7t7]

How do you interpret this Parable:
25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

Simple, this is a parable of the second coming as seen in verse 13, no man knows the day and hour of the (Second Coming)

The foolish virgins represent the unsaved at the second coming, and the wise are the saved, plain and simple.

The marriage supper takes place (After) the day and hour no man knows, the (Second Coming)

 

[TabinRivCA]

Simple, this is a parable of the second coming as seen in verse 13, no man knows the day and hour of the (Second Coming)

The foolish virgins represent the unsaved at the second coming, and the wise are the saved, plain and simple.

The marriage supper takes place (After) the day and hour no man knows, the (Second Coming)

Don't agree, during the final days of the wrath of God, I would say many people would know the end is near, whereas this is saying He comes as a thief in the night.

 

[Truth7t7]

Don't agree, during the final days of the wrath of God, I would say many people would know the end is near, whereas this is saying He comes as a thief in the night.

The second coming does come as a thief in the night, in destruction, not in a pre-trib rapture as many falsely teach.

(Destruction, Not A Pre-Trib Rapture)

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3KJV
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[TabinRivCA]

(Ezk 7:19b). Zephaniah writes “A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness” (Zeph 1:15) because the wrath of God is on all who disbelieve. Jesus said in John 3:36b “whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

 

[Truth7t7]

(Ezk 7:19b). Zephaniah writes “A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness” (Zeph 1:15) because the wrath of God is on all who disbelieve. Jesus said in John 3:36b “whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

Ok, what's your point?

Same event seen below

Zephaniah 1:2-3KJV
2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the Lord.
3 I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3KJV
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[TabinRivCA]

2 Thessalonians 2:7, NIV: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way."
To think the Body of Christ will be here to tell the world when they discern who the 'lawless one' the anti-Christ' is, is not what this Scripture is saying.
I'm not changing my position, and that is to 'be ready' at all times. To think the Body of Christ is going through the wrath of God is absurd. I must go, I'm working at the election Polls for the next 4 days. Sweet dreams.

 

[BenjaminN]

(Ezk 7:19b). Zephaniah writes “A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness” (Zeph 1:15) because the wrath of God is on all who disbelieve. Jesus said in John 3:36b “whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

Yes, this is the destruction of the earth, by fire, not of a great tribulation.

After the great tribulation, God's children are raptured, and the ones left behind is destroyed by fire, that is the punishment and wrath that comes upon the earth like a thief in the night.

During the great tribulation, those that do not even know they took the mark of the beast and has forsaken their faith in God, by worshipping the beast, is merrily going on with their lives, buying and selling, as in the days of Noah. It is only but a great tribulation to those that keep their lamps full of oil, and know that this is the mark of the beast being worshipped, who refrain from taking the mark, and enters a great tribulation where they cannot find food in the normal supermarket way, as they can not buy or sell.

People will think, hey this is the latest technological thingy, I get a chip implanted in my head, and I join the singularity, and hook up wirelessly to the quantum computer mainframe. My banking details are connected to my chip, and that is how I buy or sell. Your thoughts will not be your own anymore, nor that from the Holy Spirit from God, but from a dark, quantum mechanic parallel universe of the underworld, and this is the breath that will be entered into the beast so it can speak to those minds that hooked up to the mainframe implanted in the chip in their heads.... maybe....

 

[Truth7t7]

2 Thessalonians 2:7, NIV: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way."
To think the Body of Christ will be here to tell the world when they discern who the 'lawless one' the anti-Christ' is, is not what this Scripture is saying.
I'm not changing my position, and that is to 'be ready' at all times. To think the Body of Christ is going through the wrath of God is absurd. I must go, I'm working at the election Polls for the next 4 days. Sweet dreams.

Scripture dosent state the church will be subject to the wrath of God, you state this

As previously stated, the (Two Witnesses) seen in Revelation 11:3-6 will bring plagues upon the Beast and his Kingdom, just as Moses/Aaron stood against Pharaoh of Egypt, a complete re-election if the events.

How Many Hebrew Were Running Around In Fear Of Pharaoh?

How Many Hebrews Did The Plagues Fell Upon The Hebrews?

(NONE)

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, this is the destruction of the earth, by fire, not of a great tribulation.

After the great tribulation, God's children are raptured, and the ones left behind is destroyed by fire, that is the punishment and wrath that comes upon the earth like a thief in the night.

During the great tribulation, those that do not even know they took the mark of the beast and has forsaken their faith in God, by worshipping the beast, is merrily going on with their lives, buying and selling, as in the days of Noah. It is only but a great tribulation to those that keep their lamps full of oil, and know that this is the mark of the beast being worshipped, who refrain from taking the mark, and enters a great tribulation where they cannot find food in the normal supermarket way, as they can not buy or sell.

People will think, hey this is the latest technological thingy, I get a chip implanted in my head, and I join the singularity, and hook up wirelessly to the quantum computer mainframe. My banking details are connected to my chip, and that is how I buy or sell. Your thoughts will not be your own anymore, nor that from the Holy Spirit from God, but from a dark, quantum mechanic parallel universe of the underworld, and this is the breath that will be entered into the beast so it can speak to those minds that hooked up to the mainframe implanted in the chip in their heads.... maybe....

I agree with your first part in bold red, but I disagree with the church running around starving looking to buy food, or that the mark is a microchip etc

The Two Witnesses are in control during the tribulation, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt,no Hebrews were running around in Fear, gonna be the exact same movie played in the future.

 

[BenjaminN]

2 Thessalonians 2:7, NIV: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way."
To think the Body of Christ will be here to tell the world when they discern who the 'lawless one' the anti-Christ' is, is not what this Scripture is saying.
I'm not changing my position, and that is to 'be ready' at all times. To think the Body of Christ is going through the wrath of God is absurd. I must go, I'm working at the election Polls for the next 4 days. Sweet dreams.

The renewed Israel Body of Christ will be out of the way, out of all position of power, to have any effect of warning. But they will still be here on earth, longsuffering the great tribulation. The great tribulation is not a tribulation at all, for those that take the mark of the beast. Those that take the mark of the beast's wrath is received after: the rapturing of the renewed Israel Body of Christ at the one and only second coming of Christ / Messiah. After the rapture with the second coming of Christ / Messiah, when Christ / Messiah comes down, and renewed Israel Body of Christ is raptured up, to meet Him in the clouds: this earth, heavens and the damned gets destroyed in fire and brimstone. Then Christ / Messiah and his bride the renewed Israel Body of Christ enters the new heaven and the new earth, and the new Jerusalem for the wedding banquet of the Lamb that was slain.

 

[Ruby123]

What bridegroom lets his bride go through hell for seven years then rescue them. Wouldn't he rescue his bride from it all before it starts?
Anyway we will soon find out with the way things are going it does look like that time is very near.
Also Jesus says no one knows the day whilst he is here on Earth, I wonder if he now knows the day since he has returned to sit at the right hand side of the Father?

 

[BenjaminN]

I agree with your first part in bold red, but I disagree with the church running around starving looking to buy food, or that the mark is a microchip etc

The Two Witnesses are in control during the tribulation, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt,no Hebrews were running around in Fear, gonna be the exact same movie played in the future.

Then what would be the tribulation, if you are not completely excluded from the complete financial system of this world. Where do you get your food from, where all natural resources is allocated to the financial system?

 

[BenjaminN]

What bridegroom lets his bride go through hell for seven years then rescue them. /QUOTE]

It is blasphemous to talk that way of the Lord. And by the way the great tribulation is the half of seven years, which is 3.5 years.

 

[Ruby123]

Says you, I don't feel the Lord saying that to me so I don't regard your comment with any importance.

People have to have their theories locked in so it gives peace and stability to their minds, then they want to force it on everyone else.

 

[BenjaminN]

Says you, I don't feel the Lord saying that to me so I don't regard your comment with any importance.

People have to have their theories locked in so it gives peace and stability to their minds, then they want to force it on everyone else.

Touche. Read the story of Job, the whole book, and learn what God allows Satan to do to those he loves, through trials, tests and tribulations. But they who love God, always endures, and do not slander God.

 

[Truth7t7]

Then what would be the tribulation, if you are not completely excluded from the complete financial system of this world. Where do you get your food from, where all natural resources is allocated to the financial system?

You have the (Two Witnesses) bringing every plague seen in the book of Revelation upon the Beast and his Kingdom, and you ask how the church will get food?

The wicked evil people will worship at the feet of the believers because of their torment in plagues, and you ask where believers get food, Big Smiles!

Revelation 3:9KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Luke 21:17-19KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls