The Post Tribulation Rapture

[Truth7t7]

You don't think that this future man of Jewish descent might be from the reunited Israel under Judah (British Monarchy heraldry, indicating Lion of Judah, reunited with Ephraim / Manasseh's unicorn symbol):

King David's Monarchy: United Israel under Judah (Lion and Unicorn)

Thanks for the response, I dont rule out your presentation.

Judaism is currently awaiting their returned Messiah, and the claimed lineage of David will be a requirement.

The Scripture below in Daniel 11:37 shows this future human man will not regard (The God Of His Fathers)

His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew (God), this future human man will be a Hebrew/Jew in decent.

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

In Acts 15:14-16, who will be restored "AFTER" the Church is built if Judah, Ephraim and David's House are already restored?

^ Yes. This passage goes along with what Peter was saying in Acts 3:21 -

"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [i.e. the old testament prophets/the old testament prophecies]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

It seems not only does pre-trib rapture teaches more than one return of Christ / Messiah on the clouds in the air, but also more than one rapture of those in Christ / Messiah into the air (as they say the coming of Christ / Messiah, and the appurtenant rapture in Matthew 24:29-42 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, is not the same event, its two different comings of Christ / Messiah, and two different raptures of those in Christ / Messiah, although both has Christ in the clouds and the raptured meeting him there? This error disarms the warning of Matthew 24:42 (ESV) of "Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming." If the Lord came, its over, its final, its the end.

[pre-tribber here ]

No, "pretrib" does not teach more than ONE "RETURN" (that is, His "RETURN" per the CONTEXTS where spoken of, speaks of His "RETURN" to the EARTH--that happens ONCE).

Also, there is only ONE "Rapture ['the meeting [NOUN] of the Lord IN THE AIR']"--it pertains SOLELY to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (see Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence]), NOT to all other saints of all OTHER time periods (NOT to OT saints, NOT to Trib saints, NOT to MK saints).

Matthew 24:29-31 corresponds with Isaiah 27:12-13 (note WHO and HOW ['[gather ye] one BY one [O ye children of Israel]'... NOT 'AS ONE' (as we will be)] and TO WHERE: "to worship the Lord in the holy mount AT JERUSALEM")

In Matthew 24 there's no third coming of Christ / Messiah or second rapture, there is the one and only rapture of those in Christ / Messiah (verse 40), accompanying the one and only second coming of Christ / Messiah (verse 30), immediately after the great tribulation (verse 29), which follows the gospel of the kingdom being proclaimed to the whole world (verse 14).

Matthew 24 (ESV) (GOSPEL TO THE WHOLE WORLD -> GREAT TRIBULATION -> SECOND COMING OF CHRIST -> RAPTURE)

[...]38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left (RAPTURE). 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. 42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

Matthew 24 (and 25) cover what will take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture"... so that these verses above ^ speak of what takes place upon His RETURN / His Second Coming to the earth FOR the earthly MK age... the ones "taken" are taken away in judgment (JUST AS in Noah's day) [see Matt13:30"FIRST",40-43 (at His 2nd Coming)] and the ones "left" are left to enter the MK age in their mortal bodies (capable of bearing children/reproducing--JUST AS in Noah's day... COMPARE Dan2:34 with Gen9:1 "[actively] FILL/FILLED the [whole] earth"... just as in Noah's day).

In Noah's day, it was not Noah who "knew not,"... Noah knew (believed God) and PREPARED the ark... it was the "they" who "knew not" and were destroyed in the flood/judgment. The Lk19 passage adds "and destroyed them ALL" (which is not what takes place following "our Rapture," but at the end of the trib at His "RETURN [to the earth]")

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

*EDIT: "Dan2:35" (not 34)

 

[Truth7t7]

ROLF - you are just plain sneaky. Same old Truth7t7 in a new wrapper.

Thanks for your opinion, do you have a scriptural argument in response to the claims in the OP?

 

[Truth7t7]

[some bold and underline and color ^ mine, for emphasis ^ ]

Since we're on the subject of translations... = )

here's a post I made awhile back, on this verse you've put ^ :

[quoting my post from a different convo]

Here's a verse I believe is inaccurate according to how the esv has it (compared with ylt, just for example):

esv - "and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before [pro - G4253] the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain"

ylt - "And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from [apo - G575] the foundation of the world"

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/13-8.htm - Revelation 13:8

kjv [another comparison] - "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from [apo - G575] the foundation of the world."



Huge difference between "slain from [apo - G575]" and "written before [pro - G4253]" ; )

(I believe "slain from [apo - G575]" is accurate, according to the Grk text [shown at link])


For this reason, I tend to avoid the esv. I do think it's the trendy one to go with, these days, but this verse ^ is always flashing in my mind when I hear of it. :/ It is translated incorrectly, here.

[end quoting that post]

Thanks for the response!

I dont want to derail the thread, if the interest continues I'll post a thread.

It comes down to in 1850 the Alexandian text was found in a monastery in Sianai, the liberal community used it as the foundation for the 1881 Westcott/Hort Greek Text

For the past 120 years this text type has been used, with roughly (4) manuscripts to support it

The Alexandrian Text is the 1%< minority of Manuscript evidence, that is from the corrupt schools of Clement, Origen, Arius,

Your ESV follows these corrupt Greek manuscripts,the church never used or received this text, it was localised to Egypt

It was popularized in the Novum Testamentum Graece produced by (Kurt Aland) and his wife Barbara, that Kurt ran off with 22 years younger from his college classroom, and divorced his wife Ingeborg and children.

Throw in Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal and homosexual union supporter (Carlo Maria Martini)

They created the greek text that supports the NIV, ESV, NASB, ETC

Lobegott Friedrich Constantin (von) Tischendorf (18 January 1815 – 7 December 1874) was a world-leading biblical scholar in his time. In 1844, he discovered the world's oldest and most complete Bible, dated to around the mid-4th century and called Codex Sinaiticus, after the St. Catherine's Monastery at Mt. Sinai, where Tischendorf discovered it. Tischendorf was made an Honorary Doctor by Oxford University on 16 March 1865, and an Honorary Doctor by Cambridge University on 9 March 1865 following this find of the century.[1] While a student gaining his academic degree in the 1840s, he earned international recognition when he deciphered the Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus, a 5th-century Greek manuscript of the New Testament.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Thanks for the response!
I want to keep it short, dont want to derail the thread.

It comes down to in 1850 the Alexandian text was found in a monastery in Sianai, the liberal community used it as the foundation for the 1881 Westcott/Hort Greek Text
For the past 120 years this text type has been used, with roughly (4) manuscripts to support it

Just to be clear, are you saying you agree with what I put, or with what BenjaminN put [the esv], on this?

 

[Truth7t7]

Just to be clear, are you saying you agree with what I put, or with what BenjaminN put [the esv], on this?

I agree with your position, the ESV is founded on corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts, and liberal translators.

It comes down to in 1844 the Alexandian text was found in a monastery in Sianai, the liberal community used it as the foundation for the 1881 Westcott/Hort Greek Text in England, (Liberals)

For the past 120 years this text type has been used, with roughly (4) manuscripts to support it

The Alexandrian Text is the 1%< minority of Manuscript evidence, that is from the corrupt schools of Clement, Origen, Arius,

The ESV follows these corrupt Greek manuscripts,the church never used or received this text, it was localised to Egypt

It was popularized in the Novum Testamentum Graece produced by (Kurt Aland) and his wife Barbara, that Kurt ran off with 22 years younger than him, from his college classroom, and divorced his wife Ingeborg and children (Adultery)

Throw in Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal and homosexual union supporter (Carlo Maria Martini)

The figures above created the greek text Novum Testamentum Graece that supports the NIV, ESV, NASB, ETC

Wikipedia: Lobegott Friedrich Constantin (von) Tischendorf (18 January 1815 – 7 December 1874) was a world-leading biblical scholar in his time. In 1844, he discovered the world's oldest and most complete Bible, dated to around the mid-4th century and called Codex Sinaiticus, after the St. Catherine's Monastery at Mt. Sinai, where Tischendorf discovered it. Tischendorf was made an Honorary Doctor by Oxford University on 16 March 1865, and an Honorary Doctor by Cambridge University on 9 March 1865 following this find of the century.[1] While a student gaining his academic degree in the 1840s, he earned international recognition when he deciphered the Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus, a 5th-century Greek manuscript of the New Testament.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Your ESV follows [...]

Just to be clear (did you read MY post??), BenjaminN is the one quoting from the esv (not me... I'm showing in my post an INcorrect translation IN the esv, in Rev13:8, showing why it is not correct, according to what the Greek text says).

Please read my post carefully. = )

 

[Truth7t7]

Just to be clear (did you read MY post??), BenjaminN is the one quoting from the esv (not me... I'm showing in my post an INcorrect translation IN the esv, in Rev13:8, showing why it is not correct, according to what the Greek text says).

Please read my post carefully. = )

Slow Down, I Have Answered

I Agree With You

 

[Truth7t7]

[pre-tribber here ]

No, "pretrib" does not teach more than ONE "RETURN" (that is, His "RETURN" per the CONTEXTS where spoken of, speaks of His "RETURN" to the EARTH--that happens ONCE).

Also, there is only ONE "Rapture ['the meeting [NOUN] of the Lord IN THE AIR']"--it pertains SOLELY to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (see Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence]), NOT to all other saints of all OTHER time periods (NOT to OT saints, NOT to Trib saints, NOT to MK saints).

Matthew 24:29-31 corresponds with Isaiah 27:12-13 (note WHO and HOW ['[gather ye] one BY one [O ye children of Israel]'... NOT 'AS ONE' (as we will be)] and TO WHERE: "to worship the Lord in the holy mount AT JERUSALEM")



Matthew 24 (and 25) cover what will take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture"... so that these verses above ^ speak of what takes place upon His RETURN / His Second Coming to the earth FOR the earthly MK age... the ones "taken" are taken away in judgment (JUST AS in Noah's day) [see Matt13:30"FIRST",40-43 (at His 2nd Coming)] and the ones "left" are left to enter the MK age in their mortal bodies (capable of bearing children/reproducing--JUST AS in Noah's day... COMPARE Dan2:34 with Gen9:1 "[actively] FILL/FILLED the [whole] earth"... just as in Noah's day).

In Noah's day, it was not Noah who "knew not,"... Noah knew (believed God) and PREPARED the ark... it was the "they" who "knew not" and were destroyed in the flood/judgment. The Lk19 passage adds "and destroyed them ALL" (which is not what takes place following "our Rapture," but at the end of the trib at His "RETURN [to the earth]")

There will be no future Millennial Kingdom upon this earth, a teaching in error.

Where below do you see a Kingdom on this Earth with humans present?

You Don't, And Many Continue To Teach Fairy Tales, Were Off To See The Wizard

Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the spiritual realm, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

[pre-tribber here ]

No, "pretrib" does not teach more than ONE "RETURN" (that is, His "RETURN" per the CONTEXTS where spoken of, speaks of His "RETURN" to the EARTH--that happens ONCE).

Also, there is only ONE "Rapture ['the meeting [NOUN] of the Lord IN THE AIR']"--it pertains SOLELY to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (see Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence]), NOT to all other saints of all OTHER time periods (NOT to OT saints, NOT to Trib saints, NOT to MK saints).

Matthew 24:29-31 corresponds with Isaiah 27:12-13 (note WHO and HOW ['[gather ye] one BY one [O ye children of Israel]'... NOT 'AS ONE' (as we will be)] and TO WHERE: "to worship the Lord in the holy mount AT JERUSALEM")



Matthew 24 (and 25) cover what will take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture"... so that these verses above ^ speak of what takes place upon His RETURN / His Second Coming to the earth FOR the earthly MK age... the ones "taken" are taken away in judgment (JUST AS in Noah's day) [see Matt13:30"FIRST",40-43 (at His 2nd Coming)] and the ones "left" are left to enter the MK age in their mortal bodies (capable of bearing children/reproducing--JUST AS in Noah's day... COMPARE Dan2:34 with Gen9:1 "[actively] FILL/FILLED the [whole] earth"... just as in Noah's day).

In Noah's day, it was not Noah who "knew not,"... Noah knew (believed God) and PREPARED the ark... it was the "they" who "knew not" and were destroyed in the flood/judgment. The Lk19 passage adds "and destroyed them ALL" (which is not what takes place following "our Rapture," but at the end of the trib at His "RETURN [to the earth]")

The Earth Is Dissolved By The Lords Fire In Judgement At The Second Coming, There Will Be No Millennium On Earth Following As You And Others Claim.

You willfully ignore the Lords fire at his return, why?

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13 (Every man's work) is Judged By This Fire, (Every) not (Some)

Luke 17:29-30 (Destroyed Them All) not (Destroyed Some)

Nahum 1:5 (All That Dwell On Earth) not (Some That Dwell On Earth)

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

 

[Truth7t7]

You have contradicted yourself. In 1st Thessalonians you have our Lord meeting the saints IN THE AIR AND CLOUDS. But In Matthew you have our Lord "COMING" to earth. The Greek uses two different words. In 1st Thessalonians the word "COMING" is "Parousia", which means " his PRESENCE (in the clouds)", but in Matthew 24:30 the word is "Erchomai", which means "his ARRIVAL". (on earth).

And the "ELECT" who are "gathered" must be Israel - for they are the only ones scattered to the "FOUR WINDS" (Jer.49:36; Ezek.37:9)

The presented scripture in the OP is the same exact event, same Lord in the clouds, same Trump, same gathering/resurrection

The (Elect) is the Church, try studying the scripture, Big Smiles!

1 Thessalonians 1:4KJV
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

 

[Corban]

1. ... Ephraim is NOT IN THEIR LAND, they are under Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach, awaiting Judah / Jews acceptance of him, before they can return to the land of their brother Judah - for now their brother Judah is blocking them from making Aliyah (physical return) if the believe unto Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach. - Ezekiel 37's fulfilment of Judah and Ephraim reunited in the land of Israel, as brothers under Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach is obviously still in the future, as Judah / Jews still need to accept Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach as King.

I notice that you did not address the objections. I also noticed that besides Ezekiel 37, you did not refer to scripture.

So, when did Ephraim repent? They were deported and subsequently dispersed according to the curses of Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28. Ezekiel 37, which you now admit to be future, addresses "the WHOLE house of Israel" in verse 11 resurrected at the same time. That is, the events of Ezekiel 37 happen to BOTH Ephraim and Judah. And verse 21 says that Judah AND Ephraim will be gathered to THEIR LAND.

You see brother, millions of Israelites, from every Tribe, died in captivity. 100% of Ephraim and 97% of Judah and Benjamin. They could not turn to Jesus. Those at Christ's time rejected Christ. At the end of His ministry He had 120 disciples. Those living in dispersion after Christ's ministry, could not turn to Jesus because in Romans 11:32 GOD HIMSELF has concluded ALL Israel IN UNBELIEF, and that their "blindness" remains till the times of the Gentiles are full (V.25). The end of Gentile rule is Armageddon. Jesus will have descended to Mount Olives by then, so NO Israelite will be converted till they see Jesus.

And IF and WHEN an Israelite is converted, he CEASES TO BE AN ISRAELITE. 2nd Corinthians 5:75 says that (i) he becomes a new creature, (ii) the all old things (including his Israelitism) pass away, and (iii) the New Creature has no Jews in it (Gal.3:28; Col.3:11).

 

[Corban]

^ Yes. This passage goes along with what Peter was saying in Acts 3:21 -

"whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [i.e. the old testament prophets/the old testament prophecies]

Amen!

 

[Corban]

The presented scripture in the OP is the same exact event, same Lord in the clouds, same Trump, same gathering/resurrection

The (Elect) is the Church, try studying the scripture, Big Smiles!

1 Thessalonians 1:4KJV
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

No brother. You are obfuscating. "Elect" in the Bible applies to many. Christ is the "Elect". Israel is God's elect among other nations. The Church is "elect". There are "elect angels". And in 2nd Joh there is an "elect" Lady. But WE DISCUSS MATTHEW 24:31! Those who were scattered to the "four winds". This, of course, you conveniently left out.

 

[Absolutely]

TMS
Senior Member
Today at 3:23 AM
#81
""I agree with most of what you have said and it is clear that the rapture will be after the tribulation""

Nope no verses on a postrib rapture.

Only verses pointing to and declaring a postrib physical Return WITH THE SAINTS ,in power, on horses to destroy the ac and his army.

All the rapture verses paint an ENTIRELY different picture than postrib.

Besides all that,he returns mid trib in rev 14 and gathers men from the earth.

So no.
No postrib rapture. That is off the table.....completely

 

[Absolutely]

You have contradicted yourself. In 1st Thessalonians you have our Lord meeting the saints IN THE AIR AND CLOUDS. But In Matthew you have our Lord "COMING" to earth. The Greek uses two different words. In 1st Thessalonians the word "COMING" is "Parousia", which means " his PRESENCE (in the clouds)", but in Matthew 24:30 the word is "Erchomai", which means "his ARRIVAL". (on earth).

And the "ELECT" who are "gathered" must be Israel - for they are the only ones scattered to the "FOUR WINDS" (Jer.49:36; Ezek.37:9)

It says they are gathered from heaven,not earth, and Angels do the gathering.

 

[Truth7t7]

No brother. You are obfuscating. "Elect" in the Bible applies to many. Christ is the "Elect". Israel is God's elect among other nations. The Church is "elect". There are "elect angels". And in 2nd Joh there is an "elect" Lady. But WE DISCUSS MATTHEW 24:31! Those who were scattered to the "four winds". This, of course, you conveniently left out.

The scripture is clear and simple to understand, the Church is the (Elect)

Thessalonians 1:4KJV
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

The Elect Church Of God Was Scattered, Read It, Real Big Smiles!

Got Anymore Rabbits In Your Hat?

1 Peter 1:1-2KJV
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

The Church are those (Scattered Abroad)

Matthew 26:31KJV
31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

 

[Absolutely]

it's a real trap to believe in a pre-trib. rapture because you don't need to prepare and you'll be unprepared when the hard times come. God is able to protect us from all trials but He also says our faith will be tried and tested.
Mat_5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Joh_15:20 Remember the word that /=QUOTE]
""it's a real trap to believe in a pre-trib. rapture because you don't need to prepare and you'll be unprepared when the hard times come. ""

Then Jesus put us in a trap.
He said "pray that you be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the son of God"
AND
"Because you have kept my word I will keep you OUT OF the trial coming upon the world"

Lol postribs will most likely go through it via their own beliefs.

Being prepared means what exactly?

Being prepared for the rapture means being worthy.
Being worthy REQUIRES a Holy walk.

Being prepared for tribulation is abstract. It is being a prepper.

But the bible says all on the earth take the mark.
So no,the preparation is to prepare to die or take the mark.

Only pretrib rapture fits.
.....Like a glove