The proper interpretation of Scriptures

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trofimus

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"the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world."
Mt 4:8

Possibilities:

1. The Earth is flat and everybody is lying to us about globe.

2. It can be some high mountain in Israel, but it would show neither all kingdoms of the world, nor of the Roman Empire.

3. The inspiration of writers was about message, not about details (it was not any mountain, but the ancient author was unable to describe it better).

Any other possibility?
 

graceNpeace

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"the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world."
Mt 4:8

Possibilities:

1. The Earth is flat and everybody is lying to us about globe.

2. It can be some high mountain in Israel, but it would show neither all kingdoms of the world, nor of the Roman Empire.

3. The inspiration of writers was about message, not about details (it was not any mountain, but the ancient author was unable to describe it better).

Any other possibility?
There are plenty of mountains in that part of the world so that part is literal.
As for showing all the Kingdom's of the world that cannot be a literal statement - even if the earth was flat (which it isn't) no one could see for the distances required.

The word "showed" does not literally just have to mean Jesus had to see with His eyes.
The devil could have described what He was offering to Jesus.

Another very cogent possibility is that the devil, being the devil, and Jesus, been divine, that what was shown, and seen, was all in the spiritual realm and not literally discernible with one's eyes either.

Whatever the situation the devil tried to make a deal with Jesus that was never going to happen...
 

Shamah

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spiritually high moutian, as Zion is called the highest, it is not physically high (700M) but spiritually high. Also it is most likely that satan used visions to show the kingdoms kind of like a TV.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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He saw it in the spirit. No physical eyesight required for this.
 

trofimus

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He saw it in the spirit. No physical eyesight required for this.
In such a case there was no taking him to a mountain required.

Also, what in the text indicates that it was just a vision?
 
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Lucy-Pevensie

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In such a case there was no taking him to a mountain required.

Also, what in the text indicates that it was just a vision?
I've never personally read it as a literal mountain but as a "mountain" in the sense the bible often uses the term it to represent a kingdom. In this case The Devil's "kingdom". The kingdom of "this world" The high place.
 
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My point is that you need to consider all harmony passages in the Gospel accounts to interpret Scripture properly.
 

garee

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In such a case there was no taking him to a mountain required.

Also, what in the text indicates that it was just a vision?
I think High mountains represent a high authority .We do not wrestle against flesh and blood as that seen but do against spirits and principalities as that not seen.
 

garee

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Lying spirits bring signs and lyingwonders. Wonders the faith issue or in another words false prophecy as a false source of faith

Jesus did not move one inch from where he was. The father of lies who has no form tried to puff up the fleshly mind of the Son of man .But Christ simply said three times... "as it is written ". In other words he would not fall the information or vision the father of lies was trying to bring into the Son of man mind. He is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases.

It is like hypnotism and the power of suggestion be careful of what kind and how information is introduced or sought after.

Christ as the Son of man provided a good example not to let anyone intrude into things not seen other than by the faith which comes by hearing God as it is written.

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,


I remember reading about Walter Martin a person who studied the cults of the world . He was interviewing a Christian who just had a evil experience. Having moved across country in the breakup of him and his girlfriend the man sought the help of a hypnotist on getting some closer or reconciliation . . The hypnotist asked him under hypnotism to go to His girlfriend’s apartment and knock . He said to him no answer and asked the man to enter in. He said she was writing a letter and the hypnotist asked what was the context? Turns out he received a dear John letter a few days later with the wording in the letter almost fitting to a T from what he saw under hypnotism .


Jesus saw a vision but gave it no authority or life. The devil did flee along with the vision
 

CS1

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"the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world."
Mt 4:8

Possibilities:

1. The Earth is flat and everybody is lying to us about globe.

2. It can be some high mountain in Israel, but it would show neither all kingdoms of the world, nor of the Roman Empire.

3. The inspiration of writers was about message, not about details (it was not any mountain, but the ancient author was unable to describe it better).

Any other possibility?
there are more than one Gospel that speaks of this account Luke Chapter 4 also does. each Gospel is a true account from a snap shot from the information they have received from eyes witnesses or were eyes witnesses themselves . they do have mountians there .
 

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there are more than one Gospel that speaks of this account Luke Chapter 4 also does. each Gospel is a true account from a snap shot from the information they have received from eyes witnesses or were eyes witnesses themselves . they do have mountians there .
My wife and I are currently in the middle of the book of Luke on our project of a complete bible reading from Genesis to Revelation.
 

tourist

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I've never personally read it as a literal mountain but as a "mountain" in the sense the bible often uses the term it to represent a kingdom. In this case The Devil's "kingdom". The kingdom of "this world" The high place.
I agree with your estimation. The 'mountain' could have been the moon for all that we know.
 

CS1

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My wife and I are currently in the middle of the book of Luke on our project of a complete bible reading from Genesis to Revelation.
Cool I just preached on Luke 4 yesterday " Unshackled "
 

trofimus

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trofimus

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I think High mountains represent a high authority .We do not wrestle against flesh and blood as that seen but do against spirits and principalities as that not seen.
Is there something in the text we can verify your view with?
 

notuptome

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Proper interpretation is achieved by comparing scripture with scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

trofimus

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I've never personally read it as a literal mountain but as a "mountain" in the sense the bible often uses the term it to represent a kingdom. In this case The Devil's "kingdom". The kingdom of "this world" The high place.
Do you have some examples of using "mountain" as a symbol of earthly kingdoms?