The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation

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I am a believer of the Word. The Word is clear of what is to come, and it is clear that it [the end] has already begun...

Here is a post I just made to another person:

He is returning soon, and oh boy, that tribulation...well...

"For nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines and pestilences and earthquakes in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated by all nations for My name’s sake." Matthew 24:7-9

Earthquakes in diverse places began with the advent of nuclear technology. The first seal was broken with the Beginning of Sorrows. Likely the second seal has been broken already and we are awaiting the third. Christ is returning soon...and He will be arriving with a sword of vengeance...
So then are you amillennial? I ask only for clarification. Thank you my friend.
 

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What makes you call me a liar?
You claim to follow Christ, yet you know nothing of the nature of Christ.

"And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’" Matthew 7:23
 

TabinRivCA

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You claim to follow Christ, yet you know nothing of the nature of Christ.

"And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’" Matthew 7:23
You're 'acting' like you know me. You're acting like you are the judge of anyone else. You're acting like you know what Christ thinks of me. 'Do not bear false witness against your neighbor' so you have defied His command and sinned. Let's wait and see who God judges here, and by God I don't mean you.
 

lukeabers

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You're 'acting' like you know me. You're acting like you are the judge of anyone else. You're acting like you know what Christ thinks of me. 'Do not bear false witness against your neighbor' so you have defied His command and sinned. Let's wait and see who God judges here, and by God I don't mean you.
I clearly would never claim to be God. So, your silly turn of phrase is actually beyond offensive.

Other than that, you can keep running in circles for all I care. Even your interpretation of the commandment of bearing false witness is off base. Your god is a fairy tale based upon your wishes and desires, it is an idol. Read the Bible, find the true God. Stop listening to nonsense from people, books, tv, internet etc. Stop 'listening to your own heart', your heart is deceitful beyond measure, as are all humans. Seek GOD and you will find HIM.

P.S. You may find God a bit more harsh than you have been led to believe, but I assure you, love is not soft, it is the sharp pull of a cane around your neck saving you from falling from a cliff and crashing into the rocks below.
 

TabinRivCA

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I clearly would never claim to be God. So, your silly turn of phrase is actually beyond offensive.

Other than that, you can keep running in circles for all I care. Even your interpretation of the commandment of bearing false witness is off base. Your god is a fairy tale based upon your wishes and desires, it is an idol. Read the Bible, find the true God. Stop listening to nonsense from people, books, tv, internet etc. Stop 'listening to your own heart', your heart is deceitful beyond measure, as are all humans. Seek GOD and you will find HIM.

P.S. You may find God a bit more harsh than you have been led to believe, but I assure you, love is not soft, it is the sharp pull of a cane around your neck saving you from falling from a cliff and crashing into the rocks below.
My God is love, mercy, compassion, Truth. Your God is harsh. I'd really b careful playing God, you might b reprimanded. How unlike Jesus telling someone on Christian not to call you friend. I'm ignoring you from now on. Adios.
 

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My God is love, mercy, compassion, Truth. Your God is harsh. I'd really b careful playing God, you might b reprimanded. How unlike Jesus telling someone on Christian not to call you friend. I'm ignoring you from now on. Adios.
Ta ta, actor.
 

lukeabers

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I just want to know your position that is all. May His blessings be upon you this day.
I don't need any of your 'sage blessings'. God blesses me plenty, don't need anything from you.

You've heard my position, state your opinions of it and/or your position or leave me be.
 

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*yawn*

Nothing quite as boring as seeing a jerk take the word 'friend' and use it as an attack.
Why call another a jerk my friend and make calling another a friend and an attack my friend?

- Tu amigo, mi amigo
 

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Why call another a jerk my friend and make calling another a friend and an attack my friend?

- Tu amigo, mi amigo
Why call another a jerk (you implicitly admit guilt to being a jerk here)

my friend (you have friends? :) )

and make calling another a friend (This is where to start losing me...who is this another? Is it the aforementioned or is it another another?)

and an attack my friend (is there an error in there? Need at least a comma...or maybe drop the 'an'...)

So, basically, no clue what you said.

[EDIT: OOPS! Didn't see the 'another a'...aha! Wait...still not clear -_-
 

preacher4truth

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Why call another a jerk (you implicitly admit guilt to being a jerk here)

my friend (you have friends? :) )

and make calling another a friend (This is where to start losing me...who is this another? Is it the aforementioned or is it another another?)

and an attack my friend (is there an error in there? Need at least a comma...or maybe drop the 'an'...)

So, basically, no clue what you said.

[EDIT: OOPS! Didn't see the 'another a'...aha! Wait...still not clear -_-
Your reading skills and comprehension are severely lacking my friend.

And the above typing nightmare of yours, my friend, serves as an example of doing it right?

My friend...

- Your friend
 

lukeabers

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Your reading skills and comprehension are severely lacking my friend.

And the above typing nightmare of yours, my friend, serves as an example of doing it right?

My friend...

- Your friend
Your statement is nonsense. And, apparently, you cannot come back and edit after a little bit...so when I only half-edited my work...

You remain a real boring jerk.
 

preacher4truth

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Your statement is nonsense. And, apparently, you cannot come back and edit after a little bit...so when I only half-edited my work...

You remain a real boring jerk.
Must not be too boring, my friend, as you continue to respond.
 

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Matthew 24:29-31 is dealing with the rapture/resurrection not the second coming

The 7 seals that Jesus opens are for the tribulation to weed out the tares within His body by the end of the great harvest:

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:36-43 Then he left the multitudes, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Explain unto us the parable of the tares of the field. (37) And he answered and said, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; (38) and the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; (39) and the enemy that sowed them is the devil: and the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are angels. (40) As therefore the tares are gathered up and burned with fire; so shall it be in the end of the world. (41) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and them that do iniquity, (42) and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. (43) Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He that hath ears, let him hear.

This parable of the wheat and tares speaking of angels being sent forth to harvest at the end of the world is further proven in Revelation 14:

Revelation 14:14-20 And I saw, and behold, a white cloud; and on the cloud I saw one sitting like unto a son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. (15) And another angel came out from the temple, crying with a great voice to him that sat on the cloud, Send forth thy sickle, and reap: for the hour to reap is come; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. (16) And he that sat on the cloud cast his sickle upon the earth; and the earth was reaped. (17) And another angel came out from the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. (18) And another angel came out from the altar, he that hath power over fire; and he called with a great voice to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Send forth thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. (19) And the angel cast his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vintage of the earth, and cast it into the winepress, the great winepress, of the wrath of God. (20) And the winepress was trodden without the city, and there came out blood from the winepress, even unto the bridles of the horses, as far as a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

The 6th seal at the end of the tribulation marks the beginning of the year of wrath AFTER the 7 years of tribulation:

Revelation 6:12-17 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the whole moon became as blood; (13) and the stars of the heaven fell unto the earth, as a fig tree casteth her unripe figs when she is shaken of a great wind. (14) And the heaven was removed as a scroll when it is rolled up; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (15) And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and the chief captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman and freeman, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains; (16) and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: (17) for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand?

Revelation 6:12-17 proves that it is not until the 6th seal is opened by Jesus that that the worldly are declaring "the great day of their wrath is come"!

The 6th seal causes a great earthquake, the sun becomes black, the moon becomes as blood, the stars fall to the earth, the heaven was removed as a scroll when it is rolled up, every mountain and island were moved out of their places, and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.

These same events are described as happening AFTER the tribulation in these three passages of the Olivet discourse when we examine precept upon precept:

Matthew 24:29-31 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (30) and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:24-27 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, (25) and the stars shall be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens shall be shaken. (26) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory. (27) And then shall he send forth the angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Luke 21:25-28 And there shall be signs in sun and moon and stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, in perplexity for the roaring of the sea and the billows; (26) men fainting for fear, and for expectation of the things which are coming on the world: for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. (27) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (28) But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; because your redemption draweth nigh.

The second coming is described in Revelation 19 and has no mention of all the events listed above but does directly deal with the judgment through wrath that the wicked feared by pleading that "the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand?" in Revelation 6:16-17~ :

Revelation 19:11-21 And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (12) And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. (13) And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (14) And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure. (15) And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. (16) And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (17) And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in mid heaven, Come and be gathered together unto the great supper of God; (18) that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses and of them that sit thereon, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, and small and great. (19) And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat upon the horse, and against his army. (20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone: (21) and the rest were killed with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, even the sword which came forth out of his mouth: and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
The rapture happens on the day of the second coming of our LORD Jesus Christ..
 
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You do realize that God is in control of everything, right? You do realize that God states we will be persecuted for His sake. Do you understand that? Good, then you know that pre-trib is total nonsense and God is not going to let Christians off the hook.

You are on a very thin line with the claims you are making. You should step away from the edge, if you know what is good for you.
Oh wow.

This really supports post trib (shaking my head)
Do you have anything to offer. Or will you just attack people beliefs with “it is nonsense”

There is far more evidence of some pre end of tribulation rapture than the fact God says we are not destined for wrath. If that was the ONY evidence pre-tribbers had, I would agree with you. But it is not.