There will be many who turn to Christ during the tribulation period ( the tribulation saints in Revelation ). The Holy Spirit must still be active drawing people to Jesus during that time so it cant be the Holy Spirit… unless it’s referring to the Holy Spirit within each and every believer ? Now, what if all those people were taken out of the way and their prayers for peace suddenly stopped ? What if the Church suddenly vanished…
The rapture? The comimg of Christ.
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Revelation 11:3,4 KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Psalm 52:8 KJV
8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.
Two candlesticks are the two churches that did not offend God in Revelation.
Revelation 11:7 KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
The two witnesses testimony are killed in the house of God/ external church. Extinguishing their ability to save people through the Holy Spirit.
Holy Sprit has been removed from the house of God. Salvation continues outside the external churches.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Psalm 52:8 KJV
8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.
Two candlesticks are the two churches that did not offend God in Revelation.
Revelation 11:7 KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
The two witnesses testimony are killed in the house of God/ external church. Extinguishing their ability to save people through the Holy Spirit.
Holy Sprit has been removed from the house of God. Salvation continues outside the external churches.
Hallelujah Father You are justified in how You deal with the oppressors you have given man so much time but he can't rule himself it corrupts him and no You are not a tyrant you gave man thousands of years to try do his own thing but now he has gotten himself in such a mess he needs help for the peril he is in is great and he is touching things that he shouldn't, rebuke him You are justified
The Holy Spirit simply unwinds/limits/relaxes His restraining mandate, which results in evil coming to the fore. He certainly does not leave the scene entirely. This same phenomenon has happened many MANY times in Israel's history.
Lam 2:3
He hath cut off in his fierce anger all the horn of Israel: he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy, and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire, which devoureth round about.
Lam 2:3
He hath cut off in his fierce anger all the horn of Israel: he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy, and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire, which devoureth round about.
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The Lord goes back to dealing with Israel the way He dealt with them in their dispensation. The Holy Spirit is among them. He can and does draw back, leave them to their own devices or removes Himself from them. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a church age blessing.
I know you know this, this truth drives the replacement folks nuts!
PSALM 51:11
Cast me not away from Thy presence, and take not Thy holy Spirit from me.
The Church NEVER has to pray this prayer.
I know you know this, this truth drives the replacement folks nuts!
PSALM 51:11
Cast me not away from Thy presence, and take not Thy holy Spirit from me.
The Church NEVER has to pray this prayer.
There is also an external house of God that's on the earth.
1 Peter 2:5
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 4:17
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Matthew 24:2
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
1 Peter 2:5
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 4:17
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Matthew 24:2
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
maybe God revealed the truth and the devil has courupted it to confuse and lead people away from the light.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Show me where does the bible say there is a gap of 2000 years between the 69th and 70th week?
This prophecy was for Israel to accept Jesus. They didn't.
Dan 9:24-27 KJV 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
70 weeks for Israel to do the listed things above and Israel failed.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
69 weeks into this prophecy and Jesus started His ministry Matt 3:15-17
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
For 3 and a half years Jesus preached and His death maked the end of the sacrifical system. He told the deciples to preach to the Jews first. They still had 3 and a half years to accept Jesus.
Why put a 2000 year gap when this fits perfectly .
This prophecy was for Israel to accept Jesus. They didn't.
Dan 9:24-27 KJV 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
70 weeks for Israel to do the listed things above and Israel failed.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
69 weeks into this prophecy and Jesus started His ministry Matt 3:15-17
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
For 3 and a half years Jesus preached and His death maked the end of the sacrifical system. He told the deciples to preach to the Jews first. They still had 3 and a half years to accept Jesus.
Why put a 2000 year gap when this fits perfectly .
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Is there a difference between literal and spiritual Israel in God's eyes?
Gal 3:27-29
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Roms 9 and the wild olive branches
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
It's about your heart not your DNA.
Gal 3:27-29
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Roms 9 and the wild olive branches
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
It's about your heart not your DNA.
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Correct of course. And the thing is.....every verse, passage, chapter and book declare and support this reality. One way or another.
Nobody in a right state of heart and mind can deny it.
Furthermore, God's eternal LOVE FOR ISRAEL is perhaps the greatest theme in all the Bible.
Even God's chastisement upon them is LOVE. His longsuffering is LOVE. His patience is LOVE.
And soon, the Sons of Jacob will weep with joy and rejoice in the LOVING embrace of their God. And we shall rejoice with them.
Nobody in a right state of heart and mind can deny it.
Furthermore, God's eternal LOVE FOR ISRAEL is perhaps the greatest theme in all the Bible.
Even God's chastisement upon them is LOVE. His longsuffering is LOVE. His patience is LOVE.
And soon, the Sons of Jacob will weep with joy and rejoice in the LOVING embrace of their God. And we shall rejoice with them.
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I will attempt to (and have been attempting to... in numerous past posts). 
Let's consider the pertinent texts, and see...
Is that really the point in time that the "69 Weeks" was concluded, though?
Matthew 3:13 (just before your verses) states, "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the JORDAN unto John [-the Baptist]..."
(that's not quite TO "Jerusalem" [which this time-prophecy SPECIFIES] which was yet FURTHER from that area)
Did you see what you just did there?
The text is written SEQUENTIALLY.
He was "CUT OFF" (it says) "AFTER the 69 Weeks [were concluded]"... but you said differently.
See that?
What *you* said does not "fit perfectly" though.
[and that's just the tip of the iceberg... Parts of verse 24--the LISTING of items--note how "Romans 11:27=Isaiah27:9,12-13 "GREAT trumpet"=Matthew24:29-31 "GREAT trumpet" (re: His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, yet "future"--Rev19!!--And Rev19:16 / 17:14 further "connects" with the "FUTURE" tense of 1Tim6:15!)]
Let's consider the pertinent texts, and see...
Is that really the point in time that the "69 Weeks" was concluded, though?
Matthew 3:13 (just before your verses) states, "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the JORDAN unto John [-the Baptist]..."
(that's not quite TO "Jerusalem" [which this time-prophecy SPECIFIES] which was yet FURTHER from that area)
Did you see what you just did there?
The text is written SEQUENTIALLY.
He was "CUT OFF" (it says) "AFTER the 69 Weeks [were concluded]"... but you said differently.
See that?
What *you* said does not "fit perfectly" though.
[and that's just the tip of the iceberg... Parts of verse 24--the LISTING of items--note how "Romans 11:27=Isaiah27:9,12-13 "GREAT trumpet"=Matthew24:29-31 "GREAT trumpet" (re: His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, yet "future"--Rev19!!--And Rev19:16 / 17:14 further "connects" with the "FUTURE" tense of 1Tim6:15!)]
Evidently, as far as you are concerned,
3-1/2 years = 7 years.
So as regards your take on eschatology, anything goes I guess.
Same goes for that nuttery you posted about 1260 years and some Pope or other and his shenanigans.
Pro-tip: the 70th week of years is when the Jews DO accept Jesus who SAVES THEM. You know.....at the "time of Jacobs trouble"? Ever head of it? Which is of course the reason for the 2000 year (and still running) gap. Because that has not happened yet.
And evidently, @GaryA @Moses_Young @TabinRivCA @HeIsHere refuse to recognize that at this "TIME", the Jews will be SAVED OUT OF IT! Not doomed. Not wiped out. Not exterminated.
Jer 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people (Israelites): and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
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And another Pro-tip:
This GAP is specified right here.
Rom 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
3-1/2 years = 7 years.
So as regards your take on eschatology, anything goes I guess.
Same goes for that nuttery you posted about 1260 years and some Pope or other and his shenanigans.
Pro-tip: the 70th week of years is when the Jews DO accept Jesus who SAVES THEM. You know.....at the "time of Jacobs trouble"? Ever head of it? Which is of course the reason for the 2000 year (and still running) gap. Because that has not happened yet.
And evidently, @GaryA @Moses_Young @TabinRivCA @HeIsHere refuse to recognize that at this "TIME", the Jews will be SAVED OUT OF IT! Not doomed. Not wiped out. Not exterminated.
Jer 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people (Israelites): and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
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And another Pro-tip:
This GAP is specified right here.
Rom 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
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I believe you are speaking falsely about/against four of your brothers and sisters in Christ - I know I personally have never said that they would not be saved out of the time of Jacob's trouble - and, somehow I doubt any of the others have made any statements as you suggest.
Pro-tip:
The time of Jacob's trouble is Armageddon.
There is no gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel - no part of which has anything [directly] to do with the 'fullness of the Gentiles'.
He just likes to shoot blindly and wildly at as many targets as possible...
'target' = "anyone who has dared to stand up to his self-imposed superiority complex"
Pro-tip:
The time of Jacob's trouble is Armageddon.
There is no gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel - no part of which has anything [directly] to do with the 'fullness of the Gentiles'.
He just likes to shoot blindly and wildly at as many targets as possible...
'target' = "anyone who has dared to stand up to his self-imposed superiority complex"
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One of the things that I try to always do is to keep the context and "tone" of whatever is happening in one thread separate from other threads. This means that if I happen to be "having an argument" with someone in one thread - I do not let it carry over into another thread - I will relate to the same person differently in a different thread strictly based on the context and "tone" of each thread.
By doing this, I feel that I am giving the best possible benefit-of-the-doubt to every other member in each context of each thread. For example, if I have some disagreement with someone in one thread - I am not going to go "blast" them in another thread with a different topic in a different context.
By keeping such things focused on a person's behavior and not "trashing" the person themselves - it allows you to show them that you "respect" them in one context but not in another. I may "tell it like it is to their face" in one thread while at the same time give them thumbs-up reactions in another thread. By doing so, I am not being a hypocrite - on the contrary, I am showing that I do not find displeasure in the person themselves - only in [some of] their behavior.
In one thread I may be saying:
"I do not have anything personal against you, but..."
While in another thread I may be saying:
"I really appreciate what you are doing here in this thread..."
Same person - different threads. And, in both cases - in the context and "tone" of the thread - I sincerely mean what I am saying to them.
If I tell someone they have an attitude problem - it is an admonishment - I do not hate them. I do not hate anyone.
When it comes to discussions in threads - I try to focus on what folks are saying and not on them as a person.
Even if I do not think much of something they said - the person is "regarded" - whoever they may be. We are all the same in God's eyes.
Even if/while in disagreement with another member - I try to show real honest innocent wholesome love and affection [in Christ] - and compassion - and concern - for them as the person that they are - [never loosing sight that they are] a brother/sister in Christ. (If not a brother/sister in Christ, hopefully someone I can in some way help to lead them to the Lord.)
You just keep on posting those relevant scriptures to remind us all of who we ought to be at every moment in our communication with our brothers and sisters in Christ...
By doing this, I feel that I am giving the best possible benefit-of-the-doubt to every other member in each context of each thread. For example, if I have some disagreement with someone in one thread - I am not going to go "blast" them in another thread with a different topic in a different context.
By keeping such things focused on a person's behavior and not "trashing" the person themselves - it allows you to show them that you "respect" them in one context but not in another. I may "tell it like it is to their face" in one thread while at the same time give them thumbs-up reactions in another thread. By doing so, I am not being a hypocrite - on the contrary, I am showing that I do not find displeasure in the person themselves - only in [some of] their behavior.
In one thread I may be saying:
"I do not have anything personal against you, but..."
While in another thread I may be saying:
"I really appreciate what you are doing here in this thread..."
Same person - different threads. And, in both cases - in the context and "tone" of the thread - I sincerely mean what I am saying to them.
If I tell someone they have an attitude problem - it is an admonishment - I do not hate them. I do not hate anyone.
When it comes to discussions in threads - I try to focus on what folks are saying and not on them as a person.
Even if I do not think much of something they said - the person is "regarded" - whoever they may be. We are all the same in God's eyes.
Even if/while in disagreement with another member - I try to show real honest innocent wholesome love and affection [in Christ] - and compassion - and concern - for them as the person that they are - [never loosing sight that they are] a brother/sister in Christ. (If not a brother/sister in Christ, hopefully someone I can in some way help to lead them to the Lord.)
You just keep on posting those relevant scriptures to remind us all of who we ought to be at every moment in our communication with our brothers and sisters in Christ...
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