The Rest of The Story?

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Something else I'm wondering, maybe someone can help me out, where did Jesus cry out, because in 12:36 Jesus left and hid himself from them, then there is a complete narrative from verse 37 to verse 43 high lighted in red below then the story picks back up again yet all of a sudden then Jesus cries out, seems there is a missing link possibly the rest that is suppose to be where the narrative is or after the narrative statements or before.

Any thoughts on where this might be in the other gospel or what?



Jh 12:36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.


Jh 12:37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him.
Jh 12:38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
Jh 12:39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
Jh 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn and I would heal them.”
Jh 12:41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.
Jh 12:42 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not openly acknowledge their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue;
Jh 12:43 for they loved human praise more than praise from God.


Jh 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me.
 
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Ahh, how about those with bible degrees with many years of studying the bible should know this a Right??
 
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This one is going to take a little studying to find just where it is. :) enjoy
 

MarcR

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Something else I'm wondering, maybe someone can help me out, where did Jesus cry out, because in 12:36 Jesus left and hid himself from them, then there is a complete narrative from verse 37 to verse 43 high lighted in red below then the story picks back up again yet all of a sudden then Jesus cries out, seems there is a missing link possibly the rest that is suppose to be where the narrative is or after the narrative statements or before.

Any thoughts on where this might be in the other gospel or what?



Jh 12:36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.


Jh 12:37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him.
Jh 12:38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
Jh 12:39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
Jh 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn and I would heal them.”
Jh 12:41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.
Jh 12:42 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not openly acknowledge their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue;
Jh 12:43 for they loved human praise more than praise from God.


Jh 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me.
Jesus cried out because He was addressing His words to the hostile unbelieving crowd.
 

Nehemiah6

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Something else I'm wondering, maybe someone can help me out, where did Jesus cry out, because in 12:36 Jesus left and hid himself from them, then there is a complete narrative from verse 37 to verse 43 high lighted in red below then the story picks back up again yet all of a sudden then Jesus cries out, seems there is a missing link possibly the rest that is suppose to be where the narrative is or after the narrative statements or before.
There's no missing link. Verses 37-43 should be treated as parenthetical, and the words of Christ from verses 44-50 are a continuation of His saying from verses 35 and 36. It is after these sayings that Christ hid Himself.

So the way to read this is: While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness...

 
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There's no missing link. Verses 37-43 should be treated as parenthetical, and the words of Christ from verses 44-50 are a continuation of His saying from verses 35 and 36. It is after these sayings that Christ hid Himself.

So the way to read this is: While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness...

Thats pretty close, actually in John is the latter part of when Jesus first starting teaching about the crucifixion, the other three canons speaks of this as well, most of that is right before John when Jesus fed the five thousand then spoke to His deciples and the crowd.

In John the order of verses is like so.

Jh12:27 “Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour.


Jh12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me.
Jh12:45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.


Jh12:28 Father, glorify your name!”Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.”
Jh12:29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.
Jh12:30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine.


Jh12:46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
Jh12:47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
Jh12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
Jh12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.
Jh12:50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”


Jh12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.
Jh12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
Jh12:33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.
Jh12:34 The crowd spoke up, “We have heard from the Law that the Messiah will remain forever, so how can you say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this ‘Son of Man’?”
Jh12:35 Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going.
Jh12:36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.
 
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NayborBear

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Something else I'm wondering, maybe someone can help me out, where did Jesus cry out, because in 12:36 Jesus left and hid himself from them, then there is a complete narrative from verse 37 to verse 43 high lighted in red below then the story picks back up again yet all of a sudden then Jesus cries out, seems there is a missing link possibly the rest that is suppose to be where the narrative is or after the narrative statements or before.

Any thoughts on where this might be in the other gospel or what?



Jh 12:36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.


Jh 12:37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him.
Jh 12:38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
Jh 12:39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
Jh 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn and I would heal them.”
Jh 12:41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.
Jh 12:42 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not openly acknowledge their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue;
Jh 12:43 for they loved human praise more than praise from God.


Jh 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me.
To me, the verses you highlighted, is a "parenthetical hind sighted commentary, or explanation" offering proof, that Jesus was who He said He was/IS! and the WHY what happened to Jesus, happened! Or? The "ringing out", of the Old covenant, and the "ringing IN, the New Covenant!

It also could be something "physical". Like a "mis-arrangement" of the scrolls' "pieceing" together.
 
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phil36

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Ahh, how about those with bible degrees with many years of studying the bible should know this a Right??

Sometimes when we think we are smart, we fall flat on our faces, and end up looking very silly. Been here and done it.