The sabbath cults - making an idol of the sabbath.

[Funtastic]

The New Testament is replete with scripture explaining the old covenant ceremonial law is no longer necessary for justification before God and condemnation is given for Judaizers who attempt to pull Christians back under old covenant ceremonial law for justification.

In the early church, those who taught a combination of God’s grace and human effort were called “Judaizers.” The word Judaizer comes from a Greek verb meaning “to live according to Jewish customs.” The word appears in Galatians 2:14 where Paul describes how he confronted Peter for forcing Gentile Christians to “Judaize.”

At the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, a group of Judaizers opposed Paul and Barnabas. Some men who belonged to the party of the Pharisees insisted that Gentiles could not be saved unless they were first circumcised and obeyed the Law of Moses. Paul made the case that, in Christ, there was no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile, for God had purified the hearts of the Gentiles by faith (Acts 15:8–9). He said it plainly in Galatians 2:16: “A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”

To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate God’s grace. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, not by returning to the Law. “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing” (Galatians 2:21).

Read: The Law - Only One Covenant?

Since you like prophecy, as a member of the religious cult of Seventh Day Adventism and heresy of Ellen G. White, begin to acquaint yourself with these old testament prophecies and their fulfillment in Christ: The Law - Only One Covenant?

We aren't saved through obeying the Law. Obeying the law of God does not gain anyone salvation. I follow the commandments of God because I love Him.

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.


The below isn't for today:

1) Ceremonial washing has been done away with
2) Sacrifices has been done away with
3) People are no longer stoned to death for their sins
4) Eye for eye or tooth for tooth does not apply
5) Circumcision is no longer necessary
6) The priesthood of Aaron and the Levites has been replaced by the priesthood of all believers.

This is a time of grace and mercy.


When Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." that word fulfill in Greek is the word pleroo which means to bring to perfection.

This is out of the Lexicon - to fulfill, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfillment. That same word pleroo is used two chapters earlier when Jesus said He came to fulfill all righteousness. Certainly He didn't come to do away with that.

Pleroo is used in other places as well talking about the Word of God, love and joy. Are those things done away with too? Do a search on pleroo.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Your false assertion has already been refuted. Read: The Law - Only One Covenant?

Zechariah 8:23 - “Thus saith the Lord of hosts: ‘In those days it shall come to pass that ten men out of all the languages of the nations shall take hold, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, “We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” This verse is talking about the last days, why take hold of a Jew? Because the nations are so desperate to be taught the Law of God and I also believe that the Jews eyes will be opened and they will see that Jesus is the Messiah. Matthew 23:39 - For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. This verse seems to be saying that Christ will not return until the Jews recognize that He is the Messiah. The reason the Jews refuse to believe that Jesus is the Messiah is because Christians teach that Christ came to do away with the Law of God when the OT says the opposite. In Deut 13 it is saying that if a prophet comes to teach to follow after other gods or to not follow the commandments of God then he is not of God. When Jesus said "If you love me keep my commandments" the NT didn't exist so Jesus was never referring to it. 2 Timothy 3:14-17 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. What are the holy scriptures mentioned there? The torah and the prophets. Malachi 4:4 - Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. This is speaking of the end times. This isn't just for the Jews as there were 12 tribes and only one was Jewish. Also haven't we been grafted into Israel through Christ?. So we are included in this. Revelation 14:12 - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 12:17 - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. It's not just the people who have just the testimony of Jesus that the devil is worried about, it's God's people who have both the testimony of Jesus and keep the commandments of God. The Bride of Christ will keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus. There are two people groups, the bride and the wedding guests. The wedding guests are not the unsaved.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Some have been stating that the ceremonial law of the fulfilled old covenant is still in force and one must follow it to please God. I've provided a large number of resources and scriptures refuting this false assertion and proving that doing so does not please God.

Context is always important. As the Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges states:

"‘My’ is emphatic; not those of the Law but of the Gospel. Only in these last discourses does Christ speak of His commandments: comp. John 14:21, John 13:34, John 15:10; John 15:12. See on John 14:27.

Jesus is simply communicating that to love Him is to obey His law of love and strive for God's universal morality. It doesn't have anything to do with shellfish or pork. Jesus isn't teaching salvation by works.

Mere profession is no proof of love; but that love for him which leads us to do all his will, to love each other, to deny ourselves, to take up our cross, and to follow him through evil report and through good report, is true attachment.

We aren't saved through obeying the Law. Obeying the law of God does not gain anyone salvation. I follow the commandments of God because I love Him.

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.


The below isn't for today:

1) Ceremonial washing has been done away with
2) Sacrifices has been done away with
3) People are no longer stoned to death for their sins
4) Eye for eye or tooth for tooth does not apply
5) Circumcision is no longer necessary
6) The priesthood of Aaron and the Levites has been replaced by the priesthood of all believers.

This is a time of grace and mercy.


When Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." that word fulfill in Greek is the word pleroo which means to bring to perfection. This is out of the Lexicon - to fulfill, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfillment. That same word pleroo is used two chapters earlier when Jesus said He came to fulfill all righteousness.

 

[john832]

Galatians 3:23-29
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If you want to see what it means to keep the commandments see Matthew 5. If you find yourself falling short of Matthew 5 then see Matthew 11:28-30

Having read Mat 5 once or twice, I fail to see AHYWHERE in Mat 5-7 where Christ does away with the Law.

Since you seem to be a one-trick pony or rather a one scripture pony, try reading Gal 3:23-25 in light of this...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And we see that the schoolmaster that brought us to Christ was the system of animal sacrifices that looked forward to the perfect sacrifice of Christ.

 

[john832]

The sabbath was given to nation of Israel, the sabbath cults claim this was a creation ordinance which is highly debatable.

What is not debatable is the position of a Christian - dead the the Law:

(Gal 2:19 KJV) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.


(Rom 7:4 KJV) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

And just in case there is any confusion about which law a Christian is dead to Paul tells us exactly which Law he's speaking of:

(Rom 7:7 KJV)............for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So clearly the law of Moses is in view when Paul states we are dead to it.

The sabbath cults claim "you Christians keep nine but omit the fourth" - that may be so but keeping the "nine" in itself is also a denial that a Christian is DEAD to the law.

Not one of these sabbath cults can explain how a Christan can be dead to the law and alive to it at the same time by attempting to keep it.

Let's address this point. How can a Christian that is dead to the Law be alive by keeping it? First explain to me how one who is dead to the Law is alive in (1) having other God's before God? (2) rearing up idols and serving them? (3) taking the holy name of God in vain? (4) defiling the day God Almighty made holy? (5) dishonoring our parents? (6) murdering? (7) committing adultery? (8) stealing? (9) lying (10) lusting?

If "dead to the Law" means what you propose, please explain to me how a person can be called a Christian who does these things?

 

[john832]

Galatians 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Galatians 5:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

You are confused about what being in Christ is. You are double minded, attempting to mix your works at the law with grace. Common mistake.

OK Gramps, please help me to understand something, you keep telling me that if I am obeying the Law, I am under a curse. So explain to me how NOT killing someone else is a curse. And if it is a curse to NOT kill someone, then when two people of your persuasion meet, perhaps you should be wearing body armor and be heavily armed.

 

[john832]

This is what the Law says;

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This isn't accomplished by your keeping of feasts and sabbath days. Its not accomplished by your work at the Law. All of your work at the law is contrary to the working of the Spirit.

Romans 8:5-10
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Now please explain to us how BREAKING all of the Ten Commandments makes you perfect.

 

[john832]

yes, some people can't stand the concept of freedom in Christ. It evokes images of orgies and mass murders.

Well, Rwandans were not under the Law in 1994. How did that work out for them?

 

[john832]

It became bad when people like yourself began to equate an ancient ceremonial law of ancient Judaism with God's moral universal law (a logical fallacy in Christian epistemology) and tell them they need to religiously practice an ancient Judaist ceremonial law in order to please God and live a holy life which is legalism and discards a measure of what Jesus accomplished.

You're greatly misinformed and seeking to mislead others into the error you yourself were misled into.

Read: Is the Sabbath a Moral Law or a Ceremonial Law? | Grace Communion International

Now please be honest, which Sabbath cult do you belong to? Is it the Seventh Day Adventist religious cult?

Well there is your problem, you are under the influence of Tkachism.

 

[john832]

The law was never about salvation:

(Gal 3:21 KJV) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

"In Jesus, you're dead to the Law in regards to it affecting your salvation" - dead to the Law means dead - you've added "affecting your salvation".

And you've ignored the context:

(Rom 7:4 KJV) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Are you "married" to Christ or Moses?

(2 Cor 11:2 KJV) For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

(Rom 7:1 KJV) Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

(Rom 7:2 KJV) For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

(Rom 7:3 KJV) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

So keeping the Commandments is not about salvation?

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[john832]

You may add them, but you need to understand who the audience WAS to whom this was addressed:

(Mat 24:34 KJV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

"This generation" refers to to those that heard Jesus - he was warning of the upcoming destruction of the temple and the sack of Jerusalem in 70AD.

It is has nothing to do with keeping the sabbath - those fleeing the "wrath to come" in the 1st century would have difficulty getting provisions on the sabbath in Jerusalem/Judea to assist in their flight.

So, the teachings of Jesus Christ were not for all men at all time, they were for that generation. Let's continue your extrememly flawed logic, then His sacrifice was for that generation only?

The sign He gave was for that generation only?

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

So Christ was only sent to that generation?

If ignorance is bliss, you should be ecstatic.

 

[john832]

That´s your perception and belief (I thing I respect).

I don't. It is complete rubbish and teaches that Jesus Christ came only for that generation and not all men from all time.

It is MBFM.

 

[john832]

The purpose of this thread is not to "force" the sabbateurs to leave the site.

I just think they are totally wrong on a number of issues.

I happen to think you are completely wrong on just about every point. Godd day.

 

[john832]

Some have been stating that the ceremonial law of the fulfilled old covenant is still in force and one must follow it to please God. I've provided a large number of resources and scriptures refuting this false assertion and proving that doing so does not please God.

Context is always important. As the Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges states:

"‘My’ is emphatic; not those of the Law but of the Gospel. Only in these last discourses does Christ speak of His commandments: comp. John 14:21, John 13:34, John 15:10; John 15:12. See on John 14:27.

Jesus is simply communicating that to love Him is to obey His law of love and strive for God's universal morality. It doesn't have anything to do with shellfish or pork. Jesus isn't teaching salvation by works.

Mere profession is no proof of love; but that love for him which leads us to do all his will, to love each other, to deny ourselves, to take up our cross, and to follow him through evil report and through good report, is true attachment.

Now I do agree with the bolded statement above, let me help with a few details...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Love is not a sentimental feeling, real love is obedience to God. Doing what He commands.

 

[MsSpratt]

Now please explain to us how BREAKING all of the Ten Commandments makes you perfect.

that seems like a silly thing to say. even you have broken all the commandments. that's why the law was weak and couldn't make anything perfect.

11If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.13He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is declared:

“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”a

18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.


the moses law can never make you perfect. only the mediator of the better covenant can make you perfect.


“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’ ”b

22Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.


23Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25Therefore he is able to save completelyc those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.



it says Jesus himself is the guarantor. i looked that up. it just means guarantee, and that's a pretty good thing imo.

a surety, (Cicero and Vulg.sponsor): κρείττονος διαθήκης ἔγγυος, he by whom we get full assurance of the more excellent covenant made by God with us, and of the truth and stability of the promises connected with it, Hebrews 7:22.

its says the old covenant was useless, and the new covenant with the promises of forgiveness of sins and total assurance of salvation (completely) is guaranteed because it's Jesus who is in charge and did all the work. i think these discussions setting up the law as equal to or better than Jesus is disrespectful to him.

and no, i don't go out and murder people and commit adultery or whatever the response will probably be. but we have all broken the laws of moses, so i don't get why you wouldn't be deeply desperate for something based on more sure promises and something that is guaranteed to make make people perfect (Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.)

 

[Hizikyah]

that seems like a silly thing to say. even you have broken all the commandments. that's why the law was weak and couldn't make anything perfect.

11If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.13He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is declared:

“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”a

18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.


the moses law can never make you perfect. only the mediator of the better covenant can make you perfect.


“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’ ”b

22Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.


23Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25Therefore he is able to save completelyc those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.



it says Jesus himself is the guarantor. i looked that up. it just means guarantee, and that's a pretty good thing imo.

a surety, (Cicero and Vulg.sponsor): κρείττονος διαθήκης ἔγγυος, he by whom we get full assurance of the more excellent covenant made by God with us, and of the truth and stability of the promises connected with it, Hebrews 7:22.

its says the old covenant was useless, and the new covenant with the promises of forgiveness of sins and total assurance of salvation (completely) is guaranteed because it's Jesus who is in charge and did all the work. i think these discussions setting up the law as equal to or better than Jesus is disrespectful to him.

and no, i don't go out and murder people and commit adultery or whatever the response will probably be. but we have all broken the laws of moses, so i don't get why you wouldn't be deeply desperate for something based on more sure promises and something that is guaranteed to make make people perfect (Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.)

I am not commenting on the Law making one perfect, as I do not believe it can. But rather talking about the passage in Hebrews.

It talks about a transfer of the Law and a weak Law and unprofitable Law, in context the whole passage/Chapter+ is talking about the Levitical priesthood it was not a simple thing to tell the religious structure of the day that their system had been made obsolete and was now abolished. Now this does not mean do not kill, do not steal, remember the Sabbath, no homo, etc is abolished also. The levitical priesthood is abolished, the priest hood is not abolished but transferred. I used to personally read this passage and read Law, Law, Law, weak, unprofitable, obsolete and think it meant the Law of Yahweh, it does not, it is talking about the Levitical priesthood only.

 

[damombomb]

“How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!” (Romans 10:14-15)
27Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28"So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

Come to me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.






​

 

[gamlet]

Don't kid yourself. Jesus’ taking authority over the Sabbath both wrests it from the legal framework in which it previously stood and realizes the rest which God’s people were always intended to enjoy. In all three Synoptics, the subsequent miracle is an example of what Jesus’ lordship of the Sabbath will mean in practice: people delivered from the shadow of death and restored into the unblemished image of God.

The Sabbath only features in Paul’s writings negatively. For the Galatians to observe it as if they were still under the Mosaic Law rather than New Covenant moral law would be to descend into gospel-denying slavery (Gal. 4:9–11); for the Colossians to observe it as part of a syncretistic system would be equally fatal (Col. 2:16).

For the Mosaic Law belonged to an earlier era, and since the coming of Christ it is no longer binding (Col. 2:17). Even Sabbath observance ‘for the Lord’ was tolerated only for the sake of those whose faith was weak (Rom. 14:1–12). In short, those in Christ are beyond the jurisdiction of the Old Testament Mosaic Law which has been fulfilled in Jesus.

As God’s perfect human, Jesus lived the Sabbath day for God, releasing his fellow humans from bondage and striving for salvation under the law (e.g. Mosaic Law), bringing them into a new spiritual rebirth in which the moral law of God is written on their heart, bringing them into blessing, and at the last entering Himself into God’s rest.

Ultimately, as Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus made it possible for others to follow him into that rest. This means that the Christian’s task is no longer to keep the Sabbath (Jesus has done that already) as if they were still under the Mosaic Law but rather to believe in Christ and obey Him.

In its final setting, then, the fourth commandment is no longer a commandment for God’s people, but its intent remains. The ‘law of Christ’ anticipates rest by prescribing belief, but now rest has been realized and will have its fullest expression in the gathering of genuine Christians who will reign with the Lamb for ever in the new creation (Rev. 22:3–6).

What do you mean that Jesus lived the Sabbath day for God? Do you mean that He obeyed it? And if Jesus did keep the Sabbath (which I believe he did), how can His obedience release us from this commandment? This doesn't follow logically for me.

 

[gamlet]

So which Sabbatarian cult are you associated with then?

I belong to the cult to which Paul and Jesus belonged to. You see they all kept the Sabbath. In fact, sunday worship did not become a phenomenon in the Christian church until the 4th Century AD when it was brought in due to anti-Semitic feelings. So to which cult do you belong to?

 

[MsSpratt]

I am not commenting on the Law making one perfect, as I do not believe it can. But rather talking about the passage in Hebrews.

It talks about a transfer of the Law and a weak Law and unprofitable Law, in context the whole passage/Chapter+ is talking about the Levitical priesthood it was not a simple thing to tell the religious structure of the day that their system had been made obsolete and was now abolished. Now this does not mean do not kill, do not steal, remember the Sabbath, no homo, etc is abolished also. The levitical priesthood is abolished, the priest hood is not abolished but transferred. I used to personally read this passage and read Law, Law, Law, weak, unprofitable, obsolete and think it meant the Law of Yahweh, it does not, it is talking about the Levitical priesthood only.

no it isn't. it's about the old covenant, the whole package.
the law made nothing perfect and it wasn't because of the levitical priesthood. it was because animals only atoned for sin (covered it for a year) their blood or death did not take sin away (forever)!

11If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood