The sabbath cults - making an idol of the sabbath.

[AgeofKnowledge]

What I mean is that Jesus was both God and God's perfect human and as such was Lord over the Sabbath.

As the dictionary of bible theology states:

"When accused by the Pharisees of breaking the Sabbath law, Jesus did not point out that he was only breaking the oral tradition. Instead, he made the astounding claim that, just as King David and the priests were ‘above the law’ in certain respects, so he was not subject to the Sabbath law, but Lord over it (Luke 6:1–11; cf. Mark 2:23–28). Not only does this imply that Jesus has an authority at least as great as that of the Mosaic law, it suggests that Jesus is the one who will finally bring the blessings of the Sabbath to Israel.

The pericope in Matthew 12:1–8 reinforces the point by virtue of its position, following Jesus’ call to the weary to find rest in him rather than in the Mosaic law (11:28–30). In the light of this, Jesus’ taking authority over the Sabbath both wrests it from the legal framework in which it previously stood and realizes the rest which God’s people were always intended to enjoy.

John’s Gospel pursues the Christological implications of Jesus’ Sabbath activity. In the climactic statement, ‘my Father is working until now, and I am working’ (5:17), Jesus claims that the exemption from Sabbath law which applies to God applies to him also; it is the Father’s work which the Son does. The discourse which follows reveals that God will realize his goal for humanity in the person and work of his Son."

What do you mean that Jesus lived the Sabbath day for God? Do you mean that He obeyed it? And if Jesus did keep the Sabbath (which I believe he did), how can His obedience release us from this commandment? This doesn't follow logically for me.

 

[gamlet]

The sabbath was given to nation of Israel, the sabbath cults claim this was a creation ordinance which is highly debatable.

What is not debatable is the position of a Christian - dead the the Law:

(Gal 2:19 KJV) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.


(Rom 7:4 KJV) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

And just in case there is any confusion about which law a Christian is dead to Paul tells us exactly which Law he's speaking of:

(Rom 7:7 KJV)............for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So clearly the law of Moses is in view when Paul states we are dead to it.

The sabbath cults claim "you Christians keep nine but omit the fourth" - that may be so but keeping the "nine" in itself is also a denial that a Christian is DEAD to the law.

Not one of these sabbath cults can explain how a Christan can be dead to the law and alive to it at the same time by attempting to keep it.

Neither can they explain how they can be married to Christ and Moses at the same time - ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another. This is either bigamy or adultery - take your pick.

(1 Tim 1:7 KJV) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

(1 Tim 1:8 KJV) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

(1 Tim 1:9 KJV) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

The sabbath promoters are proclaiming themselves to be "lawless and disobedient".

The sabbath promoters are proclaiming that the "ministration of death" has now become the "ministration of life" in Christ.

(2 Cor 3:7 KJV) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

(2 Cor 3:8 KJV) How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

(2 Cor 3:9 KJV) For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

(Gal 6:2 KJV) Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Paul uses the figurative phrase 'dead to the law' in Gal. 2:19 in the same way he uses it in Romans 7:1-6 which in my Bible has the subject heading "An Illustration from Marriage." Paul says here, "For example, by law a married is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage...So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another" (Romans 7:2, 4).

Now then, what did it mean to be married to the law? Paul clarifies that this was the condition of the Jews: "Now, you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law..." (Romans 2:17). The Jews taught that obedience to the Law guaranteed salvation. So, to be married to the law meant to rely on the law for one's salvation. To 'die to the Law' meant that Christians were no longer to depend on the Law for their salvation but on Christ. They were to be married to Him instead of to the Law. They were now free to do this because they had died to the Law.

So to die to the Law means not to rely on it for your salvation. But did Paul, who was dead to the Law, keep the Sabbath? My reading of the New Testament tells me that he did. I am also dead to the Law. I don't depend on it for my salvation but on God's grace. But I keep the Sabbath. It is a great delight for me to spend 24 hours on the seventh day to strengthen my relationship with Jesus, my Savior.

Now, I'm not saying that everybody should keep the Sabbath. I'm just saying that it is a great blessing for me, not really a burden or a mere obligation. And it could also be a blessing to you, too.

 

[gamlet]

What I mean is that Jesus was both God and God's perfect human and as such was Lord over the Sabbath.

As the dictionary of bible theology states:

"When accused by the Pharisees of breaking the Sabbath law, Jesus did not point out that he was only breaking the oral tradition. Instead, he made the astounding claim that, just as King David and the priests were ‘above the law’ in certain respects, so he was not subject to the Sabbath law, but Lord over it (Luke 6:1–11; cf. Mark 2:23–28). Not only does this imply that Jesus has an authority at least as great as that of the Mosaic law, it suggests that Jesus is the one who will finally bring the blessings of the Sabbath to Israel.

The pericope in Matthew 12:1–8 reinforces the point by virtue of its position, following Jesus’ call to the weary to find rest in him rather than in the Mosaic law (11:28–30). In the light of this, Jesus’ taking authority over the Sabbath both wrests it from the legal framework in which it previously stood and realizes the rest which God’s people were always intended to enjoy.

John’s Gospel pursues the Christological implications of Jesus’ Sabbath activity. In the climactic statement, ‘my Father is working until now, and I am working’ (5:17), Jesus claims that the exemption from Sabbath law which applies to God applies to him also; it is the Father’s work which the Son does. The discourse which follows reveals that God will realize his goal for humanity in the person and work of his Son."

Yes, I know Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath. But nowhere in your response (nor anywhere in the Bible) do I find the 4th commandment taken away because Jesus had already kept it for us.

The blessings of the Sabbath are these: It symbolizes the rest of salvation that we enter in through Jesus' death on the cross. It is also realized by the rest from all the problems of work and business and the 24 hours of delight that I experience strengthening my relationship with God, getting to know Him more, and fellowshipping with His people on the Sabbath. There I really experience Him as Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[john832]

that seems like a silly thing to say. even you have broken all the commandments. that's why the law was weak and couldn't make anything perfect.

11If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.13He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is declared:

“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”a

18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.


the moses law can never make you perfect. only the mediator of the better covenant can make you perfect.


“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’ ”b

22Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.


23Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25Therefore he is able to save completelyc those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.



it says Jesus himself is the guarantor. i looked that up. it just means guarantee, and that's a pretty good thing imo.

a surety, (Cicero and Vulg.sponsor): κρείττονος διαθήκης ἔγγυος, he by whom we get full assurance of the more excellent covenant made by God with us, and of the truth and stability of the promises connected with it, Hebrews 7:22.

its says the old covenant was useless, and the new covenant with the promises of forgiveness of sins and total assurance of salvation (completely) is guaranteed because it's Jesus who is in charge and did all the work. i think these discussions setting up the law as equal to or better than Jesus is disrespectful to him.

and no, i don't go out and murder people and commit adultery or whatever the response will probably be. but we have all broken the laws of moses, so i don't get why you wouldn't be deeply desperate for something based on more sure promises and something that is guaranteed to make make people perfect (Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.)

No one has said that keeping the Law brings justification, reconciliation or salvation but some seem to think that doing away with the Law does.

 

[john832]

Yes, I know Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath. But nowhere in your response (nor anywhere in the Bible) do I find the 4th commandment taken away because Jesus had already kept it for us.

The blessings of the Sabbath are these: It symbolizes the rest of salvation that we enter in through Jesus' death on the cross. It is also realized by the rest from all the problems of work and business and the 24 hours of delight that I experience strengthening my relationship with God, getting to know Him more, and fellowshipping with His people on the Sabbath. There I really experience Him as Lord of the Sabbath.

If Jesus came to keep the fourth Commandment for us so we don't have to, how about if we apply that to #6 or #7 or #8 or #9 or #10?

 

[john832]

Some have been stating that the ceremonial law of the fulfilled old covenant is still in force and one must follow it to please God. I've provided a large number of resources and scriptures refuting this false assertion and proving that doing so does not please God.

Context is always important. As the Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges states:

"‘My’ is emphatic; not those of the Law but of the Gospel. Only in these last discourses does Christ speak of His commandments: comp. John 14:21, John 13:34, John 15:10; John 15:12. See on John 14:27.

Jesus is simply communicating that to love Him is to obey His law of love and strive for God's universal morality. It doesn't have anything to do with shellfish or pork. Jesus isn't teaching salvation by works.

Mere profession is no proof of love; but that love for him which leads us to do all his will, to love each other, to deny ourselves, to take up our cross, and to follow him through evil report and through good report, is true attachment.

"I love you Jeezus"

Wanna put your money where your mouth is, do what He says...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[JesusLives]

Your question is answered in the links I provided but I have a question for you. Why are members of the cult of Seventh Day Adventism very reluctant to admit their identity with this heretical organization?

You tell me your denomination and I will tell you mine - why try and bully people about their denomination? I thought we were discussing different ideas and beliefs. We don't always have to agree sometimes people agree to disagree.

 

[MsSpratt]

No one has said that keeping the Law brings justification, reconciliation or salvation...

that's an outright lie, as far as i can see.

as for "doing away with" the law? whatever. nobody puts it that way. the law had a purpose. i see it's purpose in the words of those ppl who think they obey it. it reveals sin.



Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.


The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.


Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.


The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

 

[MsSpratt]

"I love you Jeezus"

Wanna put your money where your mouth is, do what He says...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

what a horrible post. self righteous it seems to me, like you're some super-commandment keeper when the bible says you're not.

well, i'm glad i won't be you on Judgement day, saying 'Jeezuz, i put my money where my mouth was. all these commandments i have kept. let me in. i did all thing written in the law' (except reading what the law says).

 

[RedTent]

The sabbath was given to nation of Israel, the sabbath cults claim this was a creation ordinance which is highly debatable.

What is not debatable is the position of a Christian - dead the the Law:

(Gal 2:19 KJV) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

(Rom 7:4 KJV) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

And just in case there is any confusion about which law a Christian is dead to Paul tells us exactly which Law he's speaking of:

(Rom 7:7 KJV)............for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So clearly the law of Moses is in view when Paul states we are dead to it.

The sabbath cults claim "you Christians keep nine but omit the fourth" - that may be so but keeping the "nine" in itself is also a denial that a Christian is DEAD to the law.

Not one of these sabbath cults can explain how a Christan can be dead to the law and alive to it at the same time by attempting to keep it.

Neither can they explain how they can be married to Christ and Moses at the same time - ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another. This is either bigamy or adultery - take your pick.

(1 Tim 1:7 KJV) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

(1 Tim 1:8 KJV) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

(1 Tim 1:9 KJV) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

The sabbath promoters are proclaiming themselves to be "lawless and disobedient".

The sabbath promoters are proclaiming that the "ministration of death" has now become the "ministration of life" in Christ.

(2 Cor 3:7 KJV) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

(2 Cor 3:8 KJV) How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

(2 Cor 3:9 KJV) For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

(Gal 6:2 KJV) Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

It is not right to say many scriptures have been changed by other scriptures!!! When scripture says that Hebrews are set apart for our benefit, scripture means that, it does not mean that what is given to the nation of Israel is for them alone, we are not to listen. That is denying scripture.

When the world was created, on the seventh day we are to rest and God blessed it for our sakes. We are to listen to that scripture, not say that all other scripture wiped out the blessings of that day that God gave.

When we are told over and over that we are to listen to the law, that faith without works is dead, we are not to read scripture telling us that Christ offers such forgiveness for sin that we are not under law for salvation as saying we are not to listen to law. That is saying one scripture wipes out another scripture, and that we are not under one God. If that was so, we could not rely on God as eternal and reliable. The entire bible would be questionable.

We ARE created by one God, Holy, dependable, trustworthy. We can stake our very life on it. One scripture does not cancel any other scripture.

 

[chubbena]

You tell me your denomination and I will tell you mine - why try and bully people about their denomination? I thought we were discussing different ideas and beliefs. We don't always have to agree sometimes people agree to disagree.

Cyberbullying applies to both teens and adults. It does make you look bad and out of place. Quite interesting this happens here from time to time but I believe the Lord has forewarned.

 

[chubbena]

It is not right to say many scriptures have been changed by other scriptures!!! When scripture says that Hebrews are set apart for our benefit, scripture means that, it does not mean that what is given to the nation of Israel is for them alone, we are not to listen. That is denying scripture.

When the world was created, on the seventh day we are to rest and God blessed it for our sakes. We are to listen to that scripture, not say that all other scripture wiped out the blessings of that day that God gave.

When we are told over and over that we are to listen to the law, that faith without works is dead, we are not to read scripture telling us that Christ offers such forgiveness for sin that we are not under law for salvation as saying we are not to listen to law. That is saying one scripture wipes out another scripture, and that we are not under one God. If that was so, we could not rely on God as eternal and reliable. The entire bible would be questionable.

We ARE created by one God, Holy, dependable, trustworthy. We can stake our very life on it. One scripture does not cancel any other scripture.

Quite a few think the Creator eats His words frequently but for me and my family, we eat His word gladly.

 

[chubbena]

Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.


The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.


Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.


The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

Thanks for pointing out that the law here refers to various sacrifices which Yeshua fulfilled.

 

[chubbena]

what a horrible post. self righteous it seems to me, like you're some super-commandment keeper when the bible says you're not.

well, i'm glad i won't be you on Judgement day, saying 'Jeezuz, i put my money where my mouth was. all these commandments i have kept. let me in. i did all thing written in the law' (except reading what the law says).

He Himself says the law is not difficult c.f. Deut 30:14 and Paul quoted Rom 10. When one has faith and loves the Lord nothing is difficult.
Even the secular world knows. When one is in love he'd catch a grenade....or do anything for the one he loves even though he might not receive the same love back c.f. Bruno Mars' Grenade....

And we have the One who loves us more than we love Him.

 

[john832]

that's an outright lie, as far as i can see.

as for "doing away with" the law? whatever. nobody puts it that way. the law had a purpose. i see it's purpose in the words of those ppl who think they obey it. it reveals sin.



Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

Was it? You are sure?

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Sacrifices were added. Why?

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

The Laws of sacrifices were added as a teacher, schoolmaster that sin requires blood...

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

But animal sacrifices could not remit sin...

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

They were added to point to the one Sacrifice for sin for all time...

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

No, the Law as in the Ten Commandments was in effect from Adam...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

No transgression when there is no Law...

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

There is no sin when there is no Law yet Adam sinned.

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

And what is sin?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.


Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.[/B]

No one has said we become righteous by keeping the Law...

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

And what happens to anyone that sins?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The only hope any of us has is...

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

The Ten Commandments were around from creation, else there could be no sin from Adam to Mt. Sinai...

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

The Law defines sin...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The problem is not the Law...

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The problem is us...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

So since you believe the Law was done away, explain this...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

And Why did Paul serve the Law with His mind even though his flesh caused him to stumble...

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Now as far as the promises, yes they are by faith. But that does not exclude obedience. God says of the Father of the Faithful...

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

 

[tourist]

that's an outright lie, as far as i can see.

as for "doing away with" the law? whatever. nobody puts it that way. the law had a purpose. i see it's purpose in the words of those ppl who think they obey it. it reveals sin.



Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.


The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.


Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.


The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

Your insight on these points was an inspiration from God given to you and was eloquently expressed.

 

[JaumeJ]

Again, from the Psalms:

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

The law of the Lord converts the soul. The law points to our Maker's perfection and our imperfection. That imperfection is sin. Sin is breaking the law. We know we are not perfect because of the Laws of our Maker which by virtue of their inherent perfection turn us to Him. We learn of Yeshua, Jesus, from the Law, and why we need His Blood to cleanse us of our sin, that is breaking the law, for we are not perfect.

The Blood of Yeshua, Jesus, frees us from the curse of the law, that burden called punishment, but the law is still valid in its properties of teaching, turning us to Yahweh, God; converting us as more aptly stated.

Look to the faithful who are not scholars, who are, in fact, simple. Their faith shines as wisdom in spite of the entire history of scholastic endeavor pretending to explain the Word. Only the Holy Spirit explains the Word, for He is God dwelling in us.

 

[john832]

what a horrible post. self righteous it seems to me, like you're some super-commandment keeper when the bible says you're not.

well, i'm glad i won't be you on Judgement day, saying 'Jeezuz, i put my money where my mouth was. all these commandments i have kept. let me in. i did all thing written in the law' (except reading what the law says).

Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what the Law says?

 

[john832]

"I love you Jeezus"

Wanna put your money where your mouth is, do what He says...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

what a horrible post. self righteous it seems to me, like you're some super-commandment keeper when the bible says you're not.

well, i'm glad i won't be you on Judgement day, saying 'Jeezuz, i put my money where my mouth was. all these commandments i have kept. let me in. i did all thing written in the law' (except reading what the law says).

Hmmm, judgment...

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Seems interesting to me that judgment is based on the Commandments.

 

[tourist]

Hmmm, judgment...
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Lighten up on the condemnation and judgment John. You sound like such an unhappy person.